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43 minutes ago, Royce said:
Where is that gif of Neytiri as Iron Man having all the infinity stones?
Don't know but I have this one
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16 minutes ago, Nero said:
I don't think they will re release Avatar. Just look at other Disney properties. Incredible 2 was released after ~15years and Incredibles movie wasn't re released. Same with TS4 it's been more than 10 years but no re release for TS3. Also Avatar already had re release so by going Disney's way I think probability of Avatar getting a re release is really low also if it does get re release I don't think it would gross more than 30M. China is a wildcard but anywhere not so much
None of those movies have ever been the highest grossing movie of all time or movies that are primarily know for something you have to see on the big screen. Cameron has done a re-release for Titanic and T2, there will be one for Avatar.
Quotethe last rerelease was for Cameron's ego
yes everything Cameron says or does is about his ego, don't know where that's from but I hear that a lot
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Oh Reddit... must be funny if you have no understanding of how box office works
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So that leaves “Endgame” $45 million short. Finally, comparing accumulated film grosses at today’s ticket prices with lower ones for earlier releases is nonsense. The whole competitive exercise serves mainly to satisfy various egos, on the one hand, and to feed a fanbase desire to be #1. The best adjusted gauge –a fairly accurate estimate — has “Titanic” as the most popular film in worldwide theaters ever, “Gone With the Wind” second, with “Avatar” third. James Cameron’s “Avatar” has an adjusted gross somewhere around $3.2 billion.
thoughts?
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All this talk about admission would be more interesting if Titanic didn't exist, at best that makes Endgame #2 at one more thing and Cameron is yet again untouched.
Even then, Avatar's run is just unquestionably more impressive. Its crushing Endgame all across Europe, in Russia, Japan Australia... all markets that were already mature. By so much I might had that exchange rates don't matter.
Meanwhile Endgame is mostly doing better in places like the Philippines that had like one theater screen when Avatar released, or China that increased its theater screen count by a factor of 10. By the way are they still selling Endgame tickets for 1$ or something in Mexico?
One more thing about Avatar, the fact it sold at a higher % in premium formats is to the credit of the movie, people wanted to see it in 3d and wanted to see it AGAIN in 3d. They sold you something you couldn't get anywhere but at the cinema. Consequentially, the number of admission is smaller than the average movie relative to its total gross, but it doesn't take away anything from the record.
MCU stans should stick to highest grossing, it's the only thing they have a remote chance of winning
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17 minutes ago, Charlie Jatinder said:
No one is denying the fact that Avatar won't do better, of course it will do, in fact China is among few countries where Avatar 2 will improve.
Problem is with guys saying since screens increased from 5k to 50k, Avatar 2 will do 1.5b or more.
I'm only pointing out that Endgame had a massive advantage in China and trying to brush it aside is a little dishonest. As for A2, I think it's nearly impossible to predict at this stage. But no, I don't think it will grow proportionally to the number of theater screens China has now, that's just stupid.
9 minutes ago, Sunny Max said:Yes ... at maximum A2 can do $2 B ...
I think it's hard to put any sort of cap on A2 considering Cameron's track record. It all depends on the question: can he pull another rabbit out of his hat? Create another must-see experience? He did it twice in a row, so why not third time? That remains to be seen.
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14 minutes ago, Charlie Jatinder said:
Exactly what I said few weeks back in China thread.
QuoteYes, the Middle Kingdom has been responsible for $576 million of “Endgame” box office so far, nearly triple the $204 million “Avatar” took in there. But the Marvel movie has a major advantage in China that “Avatar” didn’t have when it came out — the country has been blanketed with movie theaters in the past decade. In fact, there are entire towns and cities that couldn’t play the Cameron-fest but can now play “Endgame.”
Back then, the country as a whole had just under 5,000 screens. Wanna guess how many it has now?
No, it’s higher than that.
Nope. Still higher.
There are now an estimated 60,000 movie screens in China. (The United States has 41,000.)
This makes for an astonishing figure — for “Avatar.” That movie managed to take in more than a third as much as “Endgame” in China, despite theater capacity that wasn’t even a 10th of what it is now.
Entire cities couldn't even play the damn thing, but yeah cute story guys.
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3 minutes ago, Shanks said:
You don't know what's the real situation of the Chinese market, do you?
Have you played any strategy game? What about City Builder or old Caeser Titles or Rome ones?
Once upon a time, Town 'A' has 5000 people and only 3000 could afford to watch entertainment. A single theatre was built and it entertained 30 people at once a day, the show "Bla Bla 1' ran for 100 days and a few more with people rewatching it again.
So, Town A Mayor got excited and built 10 Theatre within a decade, also increasing each theatres capacity to 40. The Population only rose a little bit to 6000 people, they became rich too, so now 4000 people could afford to watch entertainment.
This decade, Another 'Bla Bla 2' movie came. Now the 4000 people that could afford watched the movie filling all 10 theatres, with 400 people watching it in a day, the Movie could only run for 10-15 days with some people going for the 2nd and 3rd show.
So, The Mayor blamed 'The movie' and the Era.
Poor Theatre chains blamed the people getting lazy and not coming to theatres.
And there was another party who kept insisting the Movie 'Bla Bla 1' was superior and would have done 10 times better because 10 more theatres are there now.
That was a massive advantage for Endgame, there's not even a need to argue about this
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8 hours ago, Doctor Stark said:
Endgame would pass Avatar if it did not have to deal with record-low exchange rates. Give it last year’s rates and it would have already passed it. Give it 2009’s and god knows what it would achieve. Because of that, a re-release or push to get it over is totally fair. Especially when you consider Avatar got one, and Endgame’s first run is going to be higher than Avatar’s first. Endgame has even sold substantially more tickets worldwide. It absolutely deserves to pass Avatar.
There's no such thing as "fair" when it comes to box office numbers. Endgame doesn't "deserve" to pass Avatar, it's not an official competition. But if we play by your standards, Endgame didn't even deserve to pass Titanic since it absolutely torches Endgame in tickets sold.
And do we want to talk about how Endgame benefited from markets that were largely underdeveloped when Avatar released? There was 5000 theater screens in China when Avatar released back in 2009. Today it has 55 0000. An increase in theater screen of 1100% in the largest foreign market. Is that "fair"?
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1 hour ago, VanillaSkies said:
And good for Endgame too. Will stay above 1 million for this week still.
It's good if you've accepted it's not going to pass Avatar
It better stay above 1 million, IW didn't drop below 1 million the next week either and heavier competition is on the way for Endgame
1.25 is actually pretty bad compared to IW, but I have a feeling this is a lowball
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6 minutes ago, Pure Spirit said:
I wish Endgame would hurry up and pass Avatar already, maybe Cameron would finally re-release Avatar and we could see it in theaters again. It was “re-released” once but it was only out of theaters a few weeks so that barely counts. Cameron’s batted around talk of an HDR re-release of Avatar but I fear that is suffering the same fate as the legendary Abyss bluray.
I imagine it could make a decent amount since the movie is primarily known for something you had to see on the big screen and 10 years later would mean there would be a lot of people who never got a chance to see it or maybe want to see it again. If I was Cameron though, I would wait for an Avatar 2 trailer to come out to get some hype going, so I imagine the re-release won't happen until A2 is close to be released.
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4 minutes ago, Pure Spirit said:
This is pathetic. Just lol. The bargaining stage of grief, because even if it slips past Avatar with good holds from desperate fans buying empty seats #SpendGame, it won’t be enough to hold off the Avatar HDR re-release.
such a vain thing
Endgame is going to have to crawl its way there, maybe barely topping it. What's crazy about Avatar is just how ahead Cameron was of the competition, 1.67 billion over the next non-Cameron movie (Return of the King). That's a difference of more than the entire gross of the first Avengers movie, to put that in perspective.
It'll be interesting to see how well he does with all the growth there has been in various markets (especially China, 60k screens today versus 5k in 2009 goddamn!).
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37 minutes ago, Charlie Jatinder said:
AEG 3.4
PDP 2.7
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9 minutes ago, AnDr3s said:
so Variety is predicting $30m-$35m that is basically john wick 2 opening
why so low?
i don't see JW3 doing less than 45 tbh
they are simply wrong, which they often are
they aren't reading that the anticipation for this movie is way higher than the other two, there's no way it will open the same as JW 2
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10 minutes ago, Alli said:
John Wick: Chapter 3 – Parabellum,” the third installment of the gun-toting action franchise, is heading for an opening weekend between $30 million and $35 million from 3,700 North American theaters. Some box office watchers predict that positive word of mouth could propel those numbers north of $40 million
https://variety.com/2019/film/news/avengers-endgame-box-office-john-wick-chapter-3-1203214880/
0 chance John Wick doesn't do better than 30m. That's what JW 2 did and 3 is way more hyped up. I'm putting 40 as the floor.
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13 minutes ago, NCsoft said:
When everything is said and done, we might look back at this run and wonder what may have propelled endgame over.
The Answer: it miraculously got a simultaneous release in China, thus exploding off the gate and take advantage of a 4-day May Holiday.
The margin might not be that close, but if the margin is that close, yes, it's China
China really is the whole story. When Avatar played back in 2009, China had a total of 5k screens. Today it has... 60k. It's amazing Avatar managed to do 200m in China with those numbers. It's the only reason Endgame even has a chance. And still it's far from a done deal, not with those weekend numbers. It's going to slowdown a lot after this weekend, China has given pretty much all it had to give and now a lot of competition is coming. Plus Endgame just doesn't have the wide appeal Avatar had, that movie targeted every demographic and you didn't need to have watched any other movies. Endgame is relying on the bulk of its fanbase, and it is massive, but that doesn't translate into infinite legs.
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The Box Office Buzz and Tracking Thread: Electric Boogaloo
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