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  1. LOL Maybe you should read The Killing Joke, because that is Nicholson, and Burton even credits that as an influence. Ledger is really not like that Joker very much at all. The part where he shows up at Vicky Vale's door is lifted right from the comic when he shows up at Barbara Gordon's door. And Heath Ledger's voice is hardly a high pitched clown voice. It's effiminate. I am very sure the Joker's voice has never been described as such! Not to diminish Ledger's great performance, because it was, but it was much of his own thing.

    Oh I've read the book and it clearly influenced the TDK Joker. Jonah Nolan has gone in depth about it in interviews. The Joker attempting to push one of Batman's allies over the edge into madness is a common plotline between Killing Joke and TDK. Joker's multiple origin stories in TDK are a nod to his amnesia about his origin in Killing Joke. The first book Nolan gave to Ledger for researching the role was Killing Joke. The Barbara Gordon sequence you mentioned is an example of how Ledger viewed the Joker. While he prepared for the role, he kept a journal with things the Joker would laugh about, which included rape, AIDS, nuclear war, and so forth. It shows up in the movie too. Ledger's Joker had the balls to kill Batman's love interest, whereas Jack's Joker fell in love with her.
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  2. Jack played him just like the Joker in the comics, Heath didn't.

    I disagree. Ledger's Joker is straight out of the Killing Joke. Nicholson didn't even bother coming up with a high pitched clown voice, which is how the comics describe it. Ledger and Hamill's voices kick the crap out of Jack's.
  3. People here, for the most part, are too young to remember how big the 1989 Batman was. That is my favorite.Batman (1989)The Dark KnightBatman BeginsBatman (1966)Batman ReturnsBatman ForeverBatman and Robin (not as horrible as the sheepish internet say, but not good, either)

    B89 is my fave, but BB is the best of the bunch. It's the only one that properly focused on the main character. As much as I enjoy B89, Returns, and TDK, they're all guilty of focusing too much on villians and supporting characters.
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  4. Jack was better. Jack was the joker from the comics. Heath would win because he is this generation's Joker. He is great, too, it's just that nobody could beat what Jack did.

    I liked Jack's Joker performance more in The Shining. He's too famous to play an already famous character like the Joker. Ledger immersed himself in the role, Jack didn't.
  5. Audience erupted in clapping when Batman drove the Batpod up the wall and turned to face the flipped semi that Joker was in. For some reason, the Batpod briefly driving up the wall and coming back down, did it for everyone in my theatre.

    Same thing happened in my theater on opening weekend as well. Another one from that movie is the pencil trick. People were cheering and laughing their asses off when that little sequence happened.
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