John Harris
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I called the $200-mil opening on the IMDB boards. I had forgotten HP1 had broken TLW's record by the time Spidey hit theaters, though - otherwise my post was pretty Nostradamus-like!For one, I question how many people really thought TA would be in the top 2 or 3 grossing films of the year. None of the 5 lead in films did better than $320M. Expectations called for a $100M+ OW and even the most optimistic people didn't believe the film would gross more than $500M. Then there's the international box office take the film has enjoyed. You're in serious denial if you don't see how far this movie has blown away expectations.
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I respectfully disagree. While most reasonable posters were predicting a regular post-Victoria-Day drop, some on here were predicting a massive week-long slide, starting Tuesday, leading to a 4-day Memorial Day Weekend barely at somewhere in the mid-30s.If RTH's 5 mill is correct, then TA and BS have managed to behave differently than most films from the last ten years. Films fall on Tuesday after Victoria Day, they just do. No one was predicting doom and gloom because of a feeling we had, it was because of history.
47% is for 3-Day weekend
I was thinking in 35.5m for the 4-Day weekend (-36%)
A holiday is going to offset a discounted Tuesday.
Everything will drop today.
Tuesday's numbers will be around 3.3-3.8 million
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I used to love Venom also, but the concept is terribly flawed. I get why the symbiote hates Peter Parker, after he rejects it, but Eddie Brock blaming Spider-Man for identifying the real murderer, after Brock had exposed a phony, is about as flimsy a motivation as I've ever read in comics. It would be like holding a lifelong grudge against your doctor for an unwelcome but CORRECT diagnosis. And that's why he hates Spidey more than anyone on the planet??? Shouldn't that anger have been targeted toward the lying fake Sin-Eater who "confessed" to Brock?Also, if rth's 5 mil Tues TA estimate is anywhere near correct (and he's been pretty dead-on so far), many of y'all's doom-and-gloom predictions for TA this week are looking pretty laughable.Sorry SM3 is that bad. Raimi screwed the pooch from mess of a plot to neutered version of Venom. I loved Venom as a kid and thought how cool he would be in a movie. We got SM1 and my dream was becoming more of a real. SM2 came and it was one of the best SH movies period. Alfred Molina's performance ranks up there with the greatest villains ever. I was hyped crazy when I found Venom would be the villain but after watching the movie I felt Raimi was a class A moron. It felt like he didn't want to do Venom but was forced. Why would you do a villain that you have no interest in? Trust me, I don't buy he had no choice. SM3 is a bad as people claim. Lousy and messy plot, bad dialogue, campy, and also who the hell approved Topher Grace as Venom.
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OK. Among the top ten opening weekends of all time, TA had the lowest 2nd-weekend drop, percentage wise. Not until you get down to Alice In Wonderland, with the 12th-best opening ever, do you find a smaller drop.let's talk about percentage my friend
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Are you being sarcastic? Or are you just really hard to please? :)That $100-million second weekend, and $55-million third weekend, weren't indicative of pretty good legs? Stacy Kiebler's got nuthin' on The Avengers, my friend!I guess we'll see this weekend how good Avengers legs are really.
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Spidey rules, Avatar drools!Adjusted for inflation and 3D:
1. Spider-Man: $61.4m
2. Avatar:$59.3m
3. The Avengers: $48.4m
Just saying....
Spider-Man is the only movie I've seen at the theater more times (7) than Avengers (5, tied with Die Hard on my personal list), so I'm fine with that adjusted ranking!
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TA second-biggest 3rd weekend ever, by a wide margin:
1. Avatar:$68,490,688
2. The Avengers: $55,644,102
3. Spider-Man: $45,036,912
I guess Avatar's 4th weekend record ($50.3 mil) is safe, unless Avengers has an unprecedented boost on Memorial Day weekend.
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So I'd say $100 mil is still a lock, even at $43 mil Saturday...?the DS est of 10.8 should be pretty close as with TA 44.5 (although probably be high end should be 43-44.5)
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I had major problems with the final 5 minutes of TDK. A) Batman isn't supposed to kill, especially an essentially good man like Harvey Dent, who had only fallen to the Dark Side in the last week (?) or so of his life. In doing so, the Joker basically won - Batman broke his "one rule." I think Bats should've figured out another solution.It's a wonderful ending, and not just the final lines. The look in Bale's eyes when he says, "I killed those people." Mix that with Zimmer's music in the background. DAMN. Like I've said many times before, the last 5-10 minutes of that movie is the only time I really feel connected to Bruce in the same way I did in Batman Begins.
I was much more interested in Joker than Two-Face, so the showdown with Harvey seemed anticlimactic to me. C) It was just too "clean" that Batman was going to be blamed for what Dent did. Again, Joker's prophecy comes to pass: The public turns on Batman. Brilliant in some eyes; convenient and contrived in mine. D) Gordon's son: If Batman saved my life at that age, it would take a lot more than Dad's frilly speech at the end to prevent me from blabbing nonstop to every friend/teacher/acquaintance about what really happened that night. I'd call the papers if I saw everyone calling Batman a killer, knowing what had actually happened.Despite the ending, I do love the movie, mostly cuz of Joker/Ledger.
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Along those lines, TA is really the first Marvel movie whose 3rd act is stronger than its first two. And after seeing it a few times, I really appreciate the ending, (SPOILERS if you haven't seen TA!)....with Nick Fury saying "Now the whole world knows... EVERY world knows!" and the "A" on Stark Tower as the final shot. I rank that ahead of TDK's ending, which is a bit too depressing. Love Oldman/Bale's BB ending, though! And of course the "I am Iron Man!" ending was great, even if IM's final battle was lackluster. I'm not sure anything has topped Spidey's Final Swing in SM1, though, at least not in my eyes. "Who am I? I'm SPIDER-MAN!"Yeah, same goes with TDK. Those two endings are the two best endings in any superhero movie. Sloppy 3rd acts followed by brilliant final scenes.
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Was bojomojojohn involved back then? Is he still on this board under a different name? I remember he was THE big Star Wars defender back in 2002, and he was beside himself when SM1 beat ROTS that summer. He predicted a $100 mil boost when ROTS hit IMAX - now THAT was a prediction!Of course...and wasn't pisher in on that one two? That guy made some pretty horrible predictions. As in ghastly.
'm fishing for pisher...will he bite?
Don't mean to hijack the thread - I recently found this board after years on the BOM boards. Good to see some old "faces" still around, like baumer and BKB.
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I agree. I'm a big-time Marvel Zombie since the mid-1970s, but I loved Batman Begins and TDK. I loved Avengers more, but I look forward to TDKR, also. It really is a golden age for us comic geeks! I'm so jealous of my 12-year-old son, who didn't have to suffer through that awful Spidey TV series in the late 70s, or the laughable "Thor" in that Hulk TV-movie.As a comic book geek, I think people are taking the "Marvel vs. DC" / "Batman is the strongest there is vs. Marvel Films" a little too far.We're living the golden age of comic book heroes in cinema. It's not a bad thing that The Avengers is breaking TDK records, it's amazing news to everyone. I sincerily hope that The Avengers breaks even the Avatar records and same goes to TDKR, this is an amazing time to all comic book geeks out there.Embrace it. Enjoy it. Celebrate it. And RELAX, people, the way I see it, The Avengers, ASM and TDK winning is great news to all of us.
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TDK currently has the "2nd Friday" record, doesn't it? $23,232,292, slightly higher than Avatar. Joking or not, I don't think Nikki is going to be able to crow "NO RECORD!" for any of the Avengers' 2nd weekend numbers!
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Thursday numbers (big jump for Avengers)
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I really wanted to see TA again last night (couldn't fit it in, though
) since it was the last opportunity for TA: IMAX for the foreseeable future. I wonder if many movie-goers felt the same way, attributing to the nice bump? Will be interesting to see if the loss of IMAX hurts it much. I doubt it. I see it just creeping over $50-mil for the 4-day.