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On 6/13/2018 at 7:47 PM, IronJimbo said:
God whatever happens I hope they don't mess with Avatar
We know Disney won't. They already worked with James Cameron in designing Avatar Land. Disney is completely invested in the Avatar franchise.
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The list has been updated to reflect the addition of Incredibles 2.
Rush Hour 2 has been removed from the list.
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My Vote:
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Peter Pan
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101 Dalmatians
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Pinocchio
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Aladdin
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Robin Hood (Disney)
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The Nightmare Before Christmas
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Tangled
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The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh
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Dumbo
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Fun and Fancy Free
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Beauty and the Beast
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Ducktales The Movie: Treasure of the Lost Lamp
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Cinderella
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Lady and the Tramp
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Sleeping Beauty
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Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs
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The Princess and the Frog
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Wreck-It Ralph
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The Fox and the Hound
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Bambi
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The Lion King
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The Little Mermaid
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Frozen
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Toy Story
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Monsters Inc.
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Toy Story 3
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The Jungle Book
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Finding Nemo
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Fantasia
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The Incredibles
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Toy Story 2
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Monsters University
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Up
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Zootopia
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Wall-E
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Ratatouille
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Brave
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Alice in Wonderland
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The Sword in the Stone
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The Great Mouse Detective
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The Rescuers
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Winnie the Pooh (2011)
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Cars
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The Incredibles 2
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The Rescuers Down Under
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Big Hero 6
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Inside Out
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Finding Dory
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The Tigger Movie
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Piglet’s Big Movie
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Pooh’s Heffalump Movie
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Frankenweenie
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A Goofy Movie
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Lilo and Stitch
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Mulan
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Pocahontas
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The Hunchback of Notre Dame
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Make Mine Music
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Shrek Forever After
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The Simpsons Movie
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Jetsons: The Movie
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The Land Before Time
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South Park: Bigger, Longer, Uncut
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Tarzan
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Oliver and Company
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A Bug’s Life
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The Aristocats
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The Adventures of Ichabod and Mr. Toad
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Coco
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Planes
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The Three Caballeros
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Saludos Amigos
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Cars 2
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Fantasia 2000
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Hercules
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The Emperor’s New Groove
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Planes: Fire and Rescue
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Cars 3
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The Good Dinosaur
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Bolt
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Chicken Little
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Treasure Planet
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Atlantis: The Lost Empire
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Dinosaur
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Meet the Robinsons
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The Black Cauldron
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Brother Bear
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Home on the Range
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Strange Magic
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Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs
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The Peanuts Movie
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Bebe’s Kids
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Beavis and Butthead Do America
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Team America: World Police
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An American Tale
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Hotel Transylvania
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The Polar Express
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An American Tale: Fievel Goes West
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Shrek
100. Hotel Transylvania 2
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Are animated characters from shorts eligible? (I.e. Mickey Mouse, Bugs Bunby, etc.) I only mean shorts that premiered in the movie theater, not TV characters who then appeared in movies (like the Simpsons).
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38 minutes ago, Thrylos 7 said:
So with an 145, give or take, million ow for JW2 I am curious what kind of legs do people “that aren’t disappointed” see this film having . Just how much a drop overall from the first film would be seen as disappointment, 250 million, 300 million, 350 million ?
I have the same standard for all blockbusters. If it's one of the top 200 domestic grossing films of all-time (adjusted for inflation), then I consider it to be a success. So the amount that it drops from Jurassic World isn't my measuring stick for its success.
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1 minute ago, Rebeccas said:
Disney used to have their niche studio too but it just wasn't profitable at all, like most of these indie/arthouse divisions. That's the only worry I have about this acquisition.
Part of that though was the way Weinstein ran Miramax. When Weinstein left, Disney had no interest in Miramax anymore. However, an arthouse division will be useful with the streaming service, so there is a need for Fox Searchlight.
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16 minutes ago, Barnack said:
Not sure how good the chance for the Fox lot either way, but I would imagine Disney will sell it or not really use it.
Searchlight feel very safe too with Disney.
Disney isn't buying the Fox lot. That stays with New Fox. Disney will be leasing the Fox lot for I believe 5 years though.
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Can we have multiple movie lines from the same movie?
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Numerous superhero movies are on this list. The dominant theory has been that Disney/Marvel has been the dominant force in superhero movies. Indeed, they have been quite successful, but until this year, it was another studio that truly ruled over this list in the superhero genre. Lets take a look at the superhero movies on this list at the end of 2017.
1. The Avengers (Disney)
2. The Dark Knight (WB)
3. Spider-Man (Sony)
4. Batman (WB)
5. Spider-Man 2 (Sony)
6. The Dark Knight Rises (WB)
7. Superman (WB)
8. Avengers: Age of Ultron (Disney)
9. Spider-Man 3 (Sony)
10. Iron Man 3 (Disney)
11. Captain America: Civil War (Disney)
12. Wonder Woman (WB)
13. Iron Man (Marvel)
14. Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 (Disney)
15. Batman Forever (WB)
16. Deadpool (Fox)
17. Guardians of the Galaxy (Disney)
As you can see, from the 17 movies on the list, 6 belonged to Warner Bros. and 6 belonged to Disney. Disney had the number one ranked movie, but Warner Bros. had numbers 2, 4, 6, and 7 before Disney's next superhero movie. WB's 5th superhero movie was higher than Disney's 5th. And WBs 6th ranked superhero movie was higher than Disney's 6th. Despite the reputation of the MCU, it was actually WB that really had the most successful superhero films overall. Disney/Marvel only had the number one ranked film.
Now lets take a look at the rankings right now (note: the rankings could slightly change in the next few weeks depending on how well Avengers: Infinity War continues to do.
1. The Avengers (Disney)
2. Black Panther (Disney)
3. The Dark Knight (WB)
4. Spider-Man (Sony)
5. Avengers: Infinity War (Disney)
6. Batman (WB)
7. Spider-Man 2 (Sony)
8. The Dark Knight Rises (WB)
9. Superman (WB)
10. Avengers: Age of Ultron (Disney)
11. Spider-Man 3 (Sony)
12. Iron Man 3 (Disney)
13. Captain America: Civil War (Disney)
14. Wonder Woman (WB)
15. Iron Man (Marvel)
16. Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 (Disney)
17. Batman Forever (WB)
18. Deadpool (Fox)
19. Guardians of the Galaxy (Disney)
At this time, Disney/Marvel has 8 superhero movies on the list. WB has 6, Sony has 3, Fox has 1, and Marvel (when it was an independent studio) has 1 movie (Iron Man). Disney/Marvel's dominant reputation now matches the results of this list. Disney has movie numbers 1, 2, 5, 10, 12, 13, 16, and 19. It is truly impressive that Disney/Marvel superhero films continue to reach the heights that they do.
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10 minutes ago, Barnack said:
I disagree a little bit here (adjusting for ticket inflation is much better than doing nothing) but not necessarily the best way to do an apple to apple comparison. Many big issue with the adjust by ticket price inflation, one being if the ticket would have been cheaper they would have probably sell more of them.
Depending of what people tried to calculate, that would be my opinion on how to do it:
1) What movies made the most money, that one is easy adjust by purchasing power, using regular inflation.
2) How popular/successful the movie were, the best apple to apple way to go about it is to compare how much the movies did relative to the blockbuster of their era, this way take into account constant change like inflation and population growth, massive sudden change like TV + urban sprawling of the 50s and smaller change like home video, you take pretty much everything into account using that.
Say you look at the top 10 of the 2 year's before the release and after removing that movie, average and std dev and you score how much they did relative to that group, also for the total annual box office. That will give you an idea of the relative size of the phenomenon.
That usually what people do to compare athlete in team sport of different era, for sport that statistics changed over time., how much they dominated their contemporary peers is the main variable use. And when you use that metric, it give a chance for all movies of any era a chance to the top, the market share of the first run of Gone With the Wind is really close to Star Wars/E.T./Titanic first run's.
I prefer to adjust for ticket price inflation so as to equalize the price of a ticket. Adjusting by regular inflation used to sound good in theory, but ticket prices have grown at a rate far beyond inflation. Which is why I like adjusting for ticket price inflation.
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5 hours ago, JamesCameronScholar said:
Domestically only though? Not accounting for population changes and of course media changes (the invention of home video for example), it all still seems very arbitrary.
Not arbitrary at all. The idea is to have as close to an apples to apples comparison to the box office grosses as possible. The way to do that is by adjusting for ticket price inflation. There will be changes in population and changes in entertainment options from era to era. However, you can still most closely compare box office results by adjusting for inflation. If you don’t, then the newest blockbuster will win purely because of increased ticket prices.
It isnt a perfect system, but it is the only way to compare movies from different eras, if someone is serious about doing that.
It is impossible to adust WW grosses because international markets all have different exchange rates from year to year and from country to country. When the dollar is weakest, OS grosses are strongest. The math to properly calculate the exchange rates is just too difficult, which is why no one does it. So to try to compare WW numbers from year to year is very inaccurate. Which is why I stick to domestic numbers, where we can get a good comparison of the grosses of older movies to the grosses of recent movies.
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47 minutes ago, JamesCameronScholar said:
Population adjusted?
Only ticket price adjusted for inflation.
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30 minutes ago, IronJimbo said:
Act? give me a break. Isn't this a box office theory forum and isn't Jim the box office king giving us both Titanic and Avatar?
Not domestically. Although I only care about domestically adjusted for inflation.
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The list has been updated to reflect the addition of Avengers: Infinity War.
Apollo 13 has been removed from the list.
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5 minutes ago, Jessie said:
Imagine if james cameron had made infinity war
Imagine if he had made Spider-Man back in the day.
I still think he'd be the perfect director for a Namor movie.
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AIW is truly a blockbuster for the ages. Its success has shocked people to their core. You can clearly see the people who were rooting against this film trying to find some "silver lining" to knock its success down a peg. Here's hoping for continued big numbers as the year of the superhero film continues.
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BP vs. AIW is very silly. They're both Disney/Marvel superhero films. To make it even more ridiculous, Black Panther is IN AIW; he's a part of the movie.
On a more astounding note, adjusted for inflation, BP is the second highest grossing superhero film domestically behind TA. If AIW grosses near BP, Disney/Marvel will have the top 3 grossing superhero films adjusted for inflation. This year is just fascination for superhero films. I would say it is fascinating for Disney, but it feels like every year now is another great year for Disney at the BO.
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1 minute ago, Jonwo said:
The $4bn Disney paid for Marvel looks like pocket change. Disney isn't perfect and once in a while, they do stumble but they can suck up a disaster like A Wrinkle of Time if their core franchises deliver consistently. I expect The Incredibles 2 to do open very well and Ant-Man and the Wasp will be a solid hit, I'm not sure on Christopher Robin but I think that could be a hit as well.
The Marvel purchase, while considered risky at the time because everyone said superhero films had already peaked in popularity and were declining, turned out to be a game-changing decision. It has absolutely earned its purchase price back and then some.
The Lucasfilm purchase is very similar. The Star Wars films have made Disney a fortune already.
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After Avengers: Age of Ultron came in lower than anticipated, I didn't want to get my expectations raised again. However, IW has shocked me to my core. I didn't expect it to break the OW record. This is just an amazing result. Even with 2.4x legs, a $258M OW gets the movie to over $619M domestically. This is definitely a golden year for superhero films at the box office.
This is more impressive than what TDK and IM did back in 2008. And BP and IW are both from Disney/Marvel. Disney is just slaughtering the box office. We are in a golden age for Disney at the box office.
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I really don't mind discussing this deal because people's reactions are interesting. Some have been really illogical, but interesting. However, the deal is going to go through. The only issue is whether Disney will have to give up certain parts of Fox for the deal to go through. But, the movie studio will not be one of those parts.
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6 minutes ago, Barnack said:
Corporation that are not studio buying a movie studio does not change much if anything in term of competition.
Not only Sky, fox star is a giant distributor of content but also movie distribution, if you look at about any movie distribution you will almost always see many studio being involved playing nice to each other,
If you look at Moana:
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=intl&id=disney1116.htm
Universal/Paramount distributed in Turkey and many market were not Disney release, look at the list of distributor:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3521164/companycredits
Look at Pacific rim 2:
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=intl&id=pacificrim2.htm
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2557478/companycredits
Universal did some of it, Universal/paramount (IPI) did a lot of it, but also Sony and they had many local guy getting involved also.
if you reduce the number of distributor at one point it can change the kind of deal someone making movie has with them, specially if the distributor is own by a company that is actually making movies and will privilege them and has less and less the need to play nice with other to distribute their products in some market in exchange that one day they will do the same for theirs.
Your argument actually supports the deal. It makes much more sense for a movie studio to distribute their own films worldwide. However, it has been difficult in certain countries to set up direct foreign distribution, which is why local distributors are used or studios work together. But, the most logical thing is to distribute your own films worldwide. Studios have been making progress in this area, but obviously are not there yet, as you show. If this deal helps Disney to do that, then that is a positive (not a negative) because they now have more control over their own content.
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3 minutes ago, AJG said:
How do so many people not know what a monopoly is?
In the United States, I blame the declining education system. I would like to hear the answer for the rest of the world.
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36 minutes ago, IronJimbo said:
you would look to bot users for legal help?
In specific areas of the law, it wouldn't be a bad idea for people to look to me for legal help.
Episode IV:A NEW MOUSE | DISNEY | IT IS DONE
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It definitely would give Disney another monster franchise, so they would be able to stop making Star Wars films every year. Star Wars needs to be able to breathe and Avatar would help with that.