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July 19, 2021

The thing about a potential A24 sale is that the studio does not have a big back catalogue, so it is not really worth a lot. Forget about the Marvel and Lucasfilm sales to Disney. Look at the Dreamworks Animation sale to Universal. Dreamworks Animation had a bigger back catalogue and was making higher grossing films.

The MGM sale to Amazon (which is still pending) was a clear over-bid, but MGM has a big catalogue post May-86 films, UA films, and Orion’s film catalogue. MGM has real value.

A24 does not bring enough value to the table to justify its price tag.

July 11, 2021

Great to see Captain America: TFA make the list. Silvestri is always an under-appreciated composer on this board and on these lists. It’s great to see him make the list multiple times so far.

May 18, 2021

My Vote:

1. Back to the Future

2. Star Wars

3. Forrest Gump

4. Indiana Jones and the Raiders of the Lost Ark

5. Rocky

6. Superman

7. The Karate Kid (1984)

8. Gone with the Wind

9. Goldfinger

10. Terminator 2: Judgment Day

11. Robocop

12. Batman (1989)

13. Captain America: The First Avenger

14. Star Wars Episode V: The Empires Strikes Back

15. Marvel’s The Avengers

16. Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves

17. Avengers: Infinity War

18. Rambo

19. The Good, The Bad and the Ugly

20. Top Gun

21. Halloween

22. Avengers: End Game

23. Jurassic Park

24. Iron Man 3

25. Rocky IV

26. The Natural

27. The Godfather

28. A League of Their Own

29. Police Academy

30. Beverly Hills Cop

31. Flash Gordon

32. The Truman Show

33. Casablanca

34. West Side Story

35. E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial

36. The Wizard of Oz

37. L.A. Confidential

38. Masters of the Universe

39. Love Story

40. The Exorcist

41. Chariots of Fire

42. Apollo 13

43. The Godfather Part II

44. March of the Wooden Soldiers

45. Dr. No

46. Star Trek: The Motion Picture

47. Stripes

48. Peter Pan

49. Home Alone

50. Hook

51. Jaws

52. Psycho

53. The Rock

54. Maverick

55. The Mighty Ducks

56. Mary Poppins

57. Saving Private Ryan

58. Gladiator

59. Pinocchio

60. American Beauty

61. Aladdin

62. The Lion King

63. Ghostbusters

64. The Magnificent Seven

65. Judge Dredd

66. Star Wars Episode VI: Return of the Jedi

67. Ghost

68. Terms of Endearment

69. Chinatown

70. Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace

71. Dumbo

72. Catch Me if You Can

73. Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom

74. Superman II

75. The Shawshank Redemption

76. An Officer and a Gentleman

77. Men in Black

78. Rocky III

79. Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade

80. Beauty and the Beast

81. The Pink Panther

82. The Terminator

83. Doctor Strange

84. The Bridge on the River Kwai

85. Crimson Tide

86. Song of the South

87. Willow

88. Miracle on 34^th Street

89. The Ten Commandments

90. The Sound of Music

91. My Fair Lady

92. Cinderella

93. Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs

94. Braveheart

95. Harry Potter and the Sorcerer’s Stone

96. Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory

97. Patton

98. The Little Mermaid

99. Sleeping Beauty

100. Amistad

May 18, 2021

My vote:

1. Peter Pan

2. 101 Dalmatians

3. Pinocchio

4. Aladdin

5. Robin Hood (Disney)

6. The Nightmare Before Christmas

7. Beauty and the Beast

8. The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh

9. Dumbo

10. Fun and Fancy Free

11. Ducktales The Movie: Treasure of the Lost Lamp

12. Cinderella

13. Tangled

14. Lady and the Tramp

15. Sleeping Beauty

16. Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs

17. The Princess and the Frog

18. Wreck-It Ralph

19. The Fox and the Hound

20. Bambi

21. The Lion King

22. The Little Mermaid

23. Frozen

24. Toy Story

25. Monsters Inc.

26. Toy Story 3

27. The Jungle Book

28. Finding Nemo

29. Fantasia

30. The Incredibles

31. Toy Story 2

32. Monsters University

33. Toy Story 4

34. Onward

35. Up

36. Zootopia

37. Wall-E

38. Ratatouille

39. Alice in Wonderland

40. The Sword in the Stone

41. The Great Mouse Detective

42. The Rescuers Down Under

43. Winnie the Pooh (2011)

44. Cars

45. Bolt

46. Incredibles 2

47. Frozen 2

48. The Rescuers

49. Big Hero 6

50. Inside Out

51. Finding Dory

52. The Tigger Movie

53. Piglet’s Big Movie

54. Pooh’s Heffalump Movie

55. Frankenweenie

56. A Goofy Movie

57. Brave

58. Lilo and Stitch

59. Mulan

60. Pocahontas

61. The Hunchback of Notre Dame

62. Make Mine Music

63. Tarzan

64. Shrek Forever After

65. The Simpsons Movie

66. Moana

67. Oliver and Company

68. A Bug’s Life

69. The Aristocats

70. The Adventures of Ichabod and Mr. Toad

71. Hercules

72. Ralph Breaks the Internet

73. Coco

74. Raya and the Last Dragon

75. Planes

76. The Three Caballeros

77. Saludos Amigos

78. Cars 2

79. Fantasia 2000

80. The Emperor’s New Groove

81. Planes: Fire and Rescue

82. Cars 3

83. Treasure Planet

84. Atlantis: The Lost Empire

85. Dinosaur

86. Meet the Robinsons

87. The Black Cauldron

88. Brother Bear

89. Home on the Range

90. Chicken Little

91. The Good Dinosaur

92. Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs

93. The Peanuts Movie

94. South Park: Bigger, Longer, Uncut

95. Jetsons: The Movie

96. The Land Before Time

97. Beavis and Butthead Do America

98. Team America: World Police

99. An American Tale

100. Hotel Transylvania

November 30, 2020

I remember arguing with GiantCalBears, in 2015 when Avengers: Age of Ultron was released, that Marvel superheroes would have more staying power than Harry Potter. Of course I heard his usual nonsense about how I didn't know what I was talking about and Harry Potter will still be relevant for generations as opposed to Marvel characters. It's over 5 years later, and the list below pretty much confirms I was right.

https://variety.com/2020/film/news/mandalorian-avengers-stranger-things-best-shows-1234835807/

Here are the top 20 entertainment franchises, according to NRG.

“The Mandalorian”
“Avengers”
“Stranger Things”
“John Wick”
“Black Panther”
“Guardians of the Galaxy”
“The Witcher”
“Ozark”
“Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse”
“Black Widow”
“Deadpool”
“Thor”
“Iron Man”
“Mario Bros.”
“Toy Story”
Doctor Strange”
“Spider-Man”
“Coco”
“The Lion King”
“Hamilton”

October 1, 2020

Both are great choices. Congrats to them.

July 6, 2020

My Vote:

Casablanca
Back to the Future Part II
Forrest Gump
The Usual Suspects
Star Wars: Episode VI- Return of the Jedi
Back to the Future
Gone With The Wind
It’s a Wonderful Life
L.A. Confidential
My Cousin Vinnie
Memento
Unforgiven
Goodfellas
The Godfather
Marvel’s The Avengers
Back to the Future Part III
Avengers: Infinity War
12 Angry Men
Goldfinger
Star Wars: Episode IV- A New Hope
Disclosure
Apollo 13
Mr. Brooks
Quiz Show
Primal Fear
The Shawshank Redemption
Dumb and Dumber
West Side Story
Terminator 2: Judgment Day
Captain America: Civil War
Ace Ventura: Pet Detective
Anchor Man: The Legend of Ron Burgundy
Black Hawk Down
The Truman Show
Fight Club
Star Wars: Episode V- The Empire Strikes Back
Frequency
Avengers: End Game
Old School
Rocky III
Captain America: The First Avenger
Iron Man 2
Anger Management
Minority Report
Catch Me If You Can
A League of Their Own
Maverick
Indiana Jones and The Temple of Doom
Almost Famous
Top Gun
Doctor Strange
Avengers: Age of Ultron
Iron Man
Superman II
Rocky II
Groundhog Day
Full Metal Jacket
Demolition Man
EuroTrip
March of the Wooden Soldiers
The Game
Rocky IV
The Wizard of Oz
Miracle on 34^th Street
Casino
Indiana Jones and the Raiders of the Lost Ark
Gladiator
Kindergarten Cop
Billy Madison
This Boys Life
Fracture
Judge Dredd
Men In Black
The Dark Knight
Good Will Hunting
Meet Me in St. Louis
The Karate Kid
Rocky
Rounders
Saving Private Ryan
The Family Man
Ghostbusters
Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade
The Last Action Hero
Red Dragon
The Karate Kid Part III
The Terminator
We Were Soldiers
Death to Smoochie
Willow
The Departed
Die Hard
Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory
Training Day
The Godfather II
Coneheads
Spaceballs
Mr. Destiny
Jumanji
Austin Powers: International Man of Mystery

February 9, 2020

I think it’s a smart move. The fanboy wars thread was supposed to be a thread to let people argue about their favorite franchises. However, it became a place for personal attacks. I got caught up in retaliating at times when I was insulted, and the mods did what they felt they had to do because they felt I stepped out of line when retaliating, and I completely understand that and hold no ill will. However, the environment that the fanboy wars thread encouraged is what led to those situations.

I really don’t post here much anymore as a result. This website used to be about arguing about movies and talking box office. But it has become a place that is about personal insults and picking fights. I think it’s a good idea to bring this board back to what it was.

My one suggestion would be to get rid of the “not cool” emoji because it has become a tool to troll posters. If someone disagrees with a post, then let them respond. Being able to just vote down unpopular opinions doesn’t encourage productive discussions.

January 27, 2020

On this website, it didn’t start with MCU fans. In 2012, there were very few MCU fans here, and a lot of Nolan/DC fans. The Nolan/DC fans were very loud. The success of The Avengers changed the dynamic, and it has evolved into what it is today. When people say MCU fans started this whole thing, it shows that those people just weren’t around when it all really started . . . at least for this site.

January 7, 2020

2 hours ago, CloneWars said:

A metric to look at that is hardly ever discussed on this site is merchandising. Star Wars is a merchandising monster and certain Disney properties are merchandising monsters. So, effectively, those films are $200M+ commercials and the money they make at the BO is the cherry on top

Cars franchisee, I’m looking at you.

January 6, 2020

Shawn MR used to say that the general rule is that a film is profitable if it grosses between 2- 2.5 times its budget. That’s the best rule of thumb that we have.

January 5, 2020

4 minutes ago, TMP said:

That's not what his op-ed was about at all

It is the reason behind it. His message wasn’t really what people interpreted it to be.

January 5, 2020

47 minutes ago, TMP said:

Yes, everyone who brings up legitimate issues with the state of theatrical distribution today is a fanboy and a hater. Brilliant observation as always Walt Disney!

Whining that you can’t get the big budget that you want for your movie is not a legitimate issue. It’s being unrealistic. And the people that support that stance are mostly haters (and some fanboys). Glad we agree that I am right. But getting back on-topic, that has nothing to do with James Cameron. He gets big budgets because his movies make big money.

January 5, 2020

2 hours ago, Madhuvan said:

Martin Scorsese and James Cameron whiny old men. 👏👏👏👏👏

You can’t compare Scorsese to Cameron. Scorsese is whiny because his movies do not justify the big budgets that he wants for them. So he acts like a whiny baby, and fanboys and haters eat it up. James Cameron is not whiny at all. His movies get the big budgets that he asks for because they make big money at the box office. James Cameron has absolutely nothing to whine about, and he shouldn’t be lumped in with Scorsese.

January 2, 2020

Decade in Review

The decade of the 2010s has ended. It was a very big decade for this list. It's time to review how the studios did in this decade. A movie's current ranking will be listed in parenthesis.

Disney

To say that Disney had a big decade would be an under-statement. Disney dominated this list during the decade. Disney began the decade with a monster 2010. Disney had the top 3 domestic grossing films in 2010: Toy Story 3, Alice in Wonderland, and Iron Man 2. Disney had purchased Marvel at the end of 2009, but they had to distribute their first Marvel film, Iron Man 2, through Paramount because of a distribution agreement that Marvel signed with Paramount before Disney bought Marvel. However, Disney still had the top 3 movies at the box office (although Iron Man 2 is no longer on the list because so many other movies were added that it was knocked off the list). Disney ended the decade with the top 6 domestic grossing movies at the box office: Avengers: Endgame, The Lion King, Toy Story 4, Frozen II, Captain Marvel, and Star Wars: Episode IX- The Rise of Skywalker.

For the decade, Disney added a total of 25 movies to the list. That is the most any studio has on the list for any decade. It is even more amazing that 12.5% of the top grossing movies of all-time come from 1 studio in 1 decade. The first big factor that helped Disney was the purchase of Marvel at the end of 2009. Superhero movies dominated the box office in the 2000s, but Disney did not have any superhero movies. The other major studios had been getting rich from superhero movies though, and Disney wanted to get into the superhero game. Marvel, which was an independent studio, had Iron Man (currently number 159) on the list. It is always a huge deal when an independent studio gets a movie onto this list. Marvel also had a distribution deal with Paramount. So Disney's first few Marvel films would be distributed by Paramount, and Disney would pay Paramount a distribution fee, before keeping the rest of the profits. Despite this, Disney jumped into the superhero game, and it paid off in a big way.

Disney's first superhero movie was Iron Man 2. It was number 3 domestically, and was on this list, before getting knocked off the list. However, Disney did add plenty of superhero movies to the list. The most successful was Avengers: Endgame (16). But, Disney also added: Marvel's The Avengers (29), Black Panther (31), Avenger's: Infinity War (36), Avengers: Age of Ultron (101), Iron Man 3 (122), Captain Marvel (132), Captain America: Civil War (139), Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 (168), and Guardians of the Galaxy (193). That's 10 superhero movies. Disney went from having no superhero movies on the list to having the most superhero movies on the list in one decade. Marvel changed Disney and helped pave the way for a dominant decade.

If Marvel paved the way for Disney's dominant decade, then Disney's purchase of Lucasfilm cemented Disney's status as the dominant force of the decade. In 2012, Disney purchased Lucasfilm. George Lucas financed the Star Wars sequels and prequels through Lucasfilm. This made Lucasfilm the most successful independent studio on this list. Lucasfilm has 5 Star Wars movies on this list. No other independent studio has more than 3 movies on the list. If there was any question as to whether Lucasfilm could deliver blockbuster films while being a part of Disney, they were emphatically answered. Disney added 4 Star Wars films to the list in this decade. Disney added Star Wars: Episode VII The Force Awakens (11), which is he highest grossing film of the decade. Disney also added: Star Wars: Episode VIII- The Last Jedi (44), Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (62), and Star Wars: Episode IX- The Rise of Skywalker (88).

Disney was more than just Marvel superhero films and Star Wars movies in this decade. Disney also added: Incredibles 2 (49), The Lion King (63), Beauty and the Beast (78), Finding Dory (79), Toy Story 3 (102), Frozen II (110), Frozen (120), Toy Story 4 (125), Inside Out (178), Alice in Wonderland (186), and The Jungle Book (190).

Disney was such a dominant studio at the box office the last decade. For 25 of the 200 highest grossing domestic adjusted films of all-time to be from Disney in the same decade is a level of success that is difficult to comprehend. As if Disney could not be any more dominant in the last decade, Disney capped off the decade by buying Fox in March of 2019.

Fox

While Disney may have been the most successful studio of the last decade, it was not the only one with success. Fox's run as an independent studio ended this decade. It was bought by Disney. However, Fox added one more movie to the list before it was bought by Disney. Fox added Deadpool (183) to the list in 2016. It will be Fox's last independent movie on the list.

Currently, Fox has 20 movies on the list. It has the 2nd (Star Wars), 3rd (The Sound of Music), 5th (Titanic), and 15th(Avatar) highest grossing films on the list. Fox's impact on Hollywood in general, and this list specifically, has been massive. This is the end of Fox's legacy as an independent studio. It is now part of Disney, and it may have a very successful future as a part of Disney. However, one of the great major studios is no longer independent.

Universal

Universal had a big time decade at the box office. While it was overshadowed by Disney, it did add 6 movies to the list. That's actually a big number of movies to add for a decade. It added: Jurassic World (30), Despicable Me 2 (137), Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom (144), The Secret Life of Pets (171), Furious 7 (194) and Minions (198).

Warner Bros.

Warner Bros. had another solid decade. It wasn't as big as the previous decade, where Warner Bros. was putting up all-time blockbusters at will. However, Warner Bros. did not let up on the box office this decade either. It added 4 movies to the list: The Dark Knight Rises (73), Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows: Part 2 (124), Wonder Woman (143), and American Sniper (173).

Sony

Out of the major studios, Sony usually struggles the most to add movies to the list. Sony has less movies on the list than: Disney, Warner Bros, Paramount, Fox, and Universal. However, this decade, Sony did better than Paramount and Fox. Sony added 2 movies to the list: Jumanji: Welcome to he Jungle (164) and Spider Man: Far From Home (169).

Paramount

Paramount had a tough decade when it comes to this list. Currently, Paramount has 23 movies on the list, which is 3rd most of any studio. It's only trailing Disney (54 movies) and (Warner Bros. (27 movies). However, Universal has 19 movies, and is approaching fast. Fox has 20 movies, but it's no longer independent, so it will only be adding movies for Disney in the future. Paramount did add one movie to the list this past decade: Transformers: Dark of the Moon (161).

Lionsgate

Independent studios have a tough time adding movies to the list. The major studios are so dominant that it's tough for an independent studio to break through. When an independent studio does, it is very difficult to repeat the process by adding another movie to the list. There are currently 24 independently financed movies on the list. Lucasfilm has the most with 5. In the past decade, Lionsgate managed to add 3 movies to the list. All of the movies came from its Hunger Games franchise. No independent studio has 3 movies on the list from the same decade. Even Lucasfilm doesn't have more than 2 Star Wars movies on the list from a decade. Lionsgate added: The Hunger Games: Catching Fire (108), The Hunger Games (112), and The Hunger Games: Mocking Jay- Part 1 (197).

December 31, 2019

The list has been updated to reflect the addition of Star Wars: Episode IX- The Rise of Skywalker.

Bonnie and Clyde has been removed from the list.

December 29, 2019

2 hours ago, Nova said:

I had no idea about it. I remember AMC marketing theirs all over the place but I feel like Regal didn’t do that? I mean I just saw it cause I happened to go to a Regal theater lol

I saw no marketing for it either. I read about it online in an article on either The Hollywood Reporter, Variety, or Deadline. I forget which one of the three websites, but if I didn't read that article, I would not have known about it either.

December 28, 2019

16 minutes ago, Nova said:

When did Regal come out with an unlimited pass? Unless it’s been around and this particular location recently implemented it?

A few months ago. It’s very new. I remember reading about it finally coming out in like August or September. But it doesn’t include premium formats, so I still like AMC A-list better.

December 25, 2019

3 minutes ago, meriodejaneiro said:

Maybe those aliens come to earth to attend the movie 🙄

Exactly! And they aren’t coming all the way to Earth to see Cats.

December 18, 2019

The list has been updated to reflect the addition of Frozen II.

On Golden Pond has been removed from the list.

December 12, 2019

Either this or John Wick 4 has to move. It isn't even a question of whether one of them will. They are both action movies starring the same actor.

December 9, 2019

4 hours ago, narniadis said:

Yes, a stupid move that no one else uses 🤦‍♂️ I mean in what book other than lame statistics are we going to say that TFA didnt win 2015.

Its just a further frustrating aspect of how the redo didnt actually think about how the data is used.

I could not agree more. At least some of the data that I want to access is available, but the old website was infinitely better, and much more user friendly.

December 9, 2019

14 hours ago, narniadis said:

The lack of information in the yearly threads is horrible. Yearly winners arent correct anymore and in trying to see some data, its a headache so the drop in traffic is not surprising in the least.

The yearly rankings is set to rank the movies by yearly gross, rather than year of release.. There's a drop down menu to change that to show the yearly rankings for movies released that year.

December 8, 2019

2 hours ago, sfran43 said:

This has been an unbelievable year for Disney. An absolutely dominant performance, and they still have a Star Wars movie that hasn’t been released yet. Disney is ending the decade on a high note. This has definitely been a Disney decade at the box office.

November 2, 2019

Streaming will not hurt the box office for blockbusters. Those movies are still event-level films that will be seen theatrically. Streaming does give studios a place to put movies that they think would lose money in the theater. This means that the trend of studios focusing on blockbusters will not be coming to an end any time soon.

Disney+ specifically will have no effect on box office. Disney’s movies were already going to be available on cable 9 months after leaving the movie theater. It makes no difference that they will now be available on streaming instead after 9 months. If someone really wants to see a movie in our instant-gratification culture, then they will see it in the theater. Nothing has changed in that respect.

If the exlcusivity window shrinks, then box office is in trouble. Disney supports the 90 day exclusivity window, which is good for theaters. But, if the other studios shrink that window, theaters could be in trouble. That’s why theaters are fighting so hard to preserve the exclusivity window. Streaming is a new battle ground for studios and those that want to be studios. The exclusivity window is the battle to preserve box office.

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