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    Weekend Thread | 3-day estimates (per BOM): J 27M, TP 18.6M, TC 13.45M, I:TLK 12.14M, TGS 11.8M, TLJ 11.28M, P2 10.62M, PM 10M

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    6 minutes ago, Chad Stevens said:

    Hence its FLOP status

     

    Its not a FLOP like Waterworld, John Cater and Gigli, however, it will be up there will how fast it crashed and burned after the 220 opening. It will be on the lists of blockbuster flops though on many websites in the future

     

    So, in a sense its a FLOP. Honestly, I enjoyed the film but it was a 'Meh" to me as far as the series goes

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    Just now, Fancyarcher said:

    My mom's favorite movie is Mary Poppins. My dad's favorite movie is (this is what he claims), a tie between The Music Man and Mommie Dearest (dead serious).

    My dad loves that film, and it introduced it to me. It's also because of him that I watched Spartacus and The Thief of Bagdad for the first time as a kid. 

    NO....WIRE...HANGERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

    Top 10 Wins and Fails of 2017 (& 5 Disappointments) l LIST COMPLETE l #1 ON P. 7

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    DISAPPOINTMENT #5

    BOO 2! A MADEA HALLOWEEN

    "Girl, that breath smelt like it been in the Civil War."

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    Release Date: October 20

    Director: Tyler Perry

    Cast: Tyler Perry, Cassi Davis, Patrice Lovely, Yousef Erakat, Diamond White, Lexy Pantera, Andre Hall, Brock O'Hurn, 

    Tito Ortiz

    B.O. Gross: $47.3M DOM, $48.3M WW

     

    I know it sounds weird to have this film here, but let me explain myself. Love or hate him, Tyler Perry has become one of the savviest producers in Hollywood. His films are super cheap to make, but are able to make easy profits thanks to having notable but not huge paycheck level actors, and his name becoming one of, if not the most recognizable of all black talent in Hollywood today, with his biggest success being the character and film series Madea. Even though almost all of them did average business around $50-70 million, the one exception being Madea Goes to Jail, they all were still modest successes for Lionsgate, turning the character and Perry himself into household names.

     

    But in 2016, something bizarre happened. Boo! A Madea Halloween was the first Madea film since 2013’s A Madea Christmas, which garnered the lowest opening in the series, and only beat out Diary of a Mad Black Woman and I Can Do Bad All By Myself in terms of total gross, as well as Perry’s first film since The Single Moms Club in 2014, which became Perry’s lowest-grossing film so far. It seemed that audiences moved on from Tyler Perry movies. But things changed when Madea Halloween came out. The film overperformed to $28.5 million on its opening weekend, becoming the highest opening in Perry’s career since Madea Goes to Jail back in 2009.

     

    But what really stood out was the film’s legs. While the film received negative reviews, as usual, the audience seemed to really dig it, and while its connection to the holiday played a big part, it dropped only 40%. Sounds like a lot, but considering how frontloaded Tyler Perry films usually are, this was an impressive feat. Even after the holiday was over, the film only dropped 55% in its two following weekends, leading the film to an impressive $73.2M gross, the second-highest in Perry’s directorial career.

     

    With such a smashing success, Tyler Perry made his very first sequel, with the cleverly titled Boo 2! A Madea Halloween. The film opened to only $21.2 million, a departure from the first film. Expected for sure, but this film simply didn’t click with audiences. The Halloween angle didn’t help the film on its second weekend, as the feature dropped 53% on weekend two, followed by 55% and 56% on weekends three and four. This led to the film grossing only $47.3 million, a steep decline from the last film, and the lowest-grossing Madea film thus far. With a $25 million budget, the film didn’t even break even on its initial run, although it’ll likely turn a profit for home video releases.

     

    Again, with the first Madea Halloween only being a minor hit that didn’t even cross $75 million, why include this as a disappointment? The main reason comes down to the fact that Madea Halloween seemed to signal a big return for Perry. After average grosses throughout most of his previous work, followed by a drop in interest with Madea Christmas and Single Moms Club, Madea Halloween seemed to be a return to form and breathe new life into Perry’s box office career. But instead, it seems that a good chunk of the first Madea Halloween’s success just came down to the fact that Perry had been gone for nearly two and a half years, and people were interested in seeing Madea again after three years. It also didn’t help that the film was pretty much the exact same plot as the first one, beat for beat, only exactly one year after the first film. It doesn’t allow good time for an audience to grow, or for people to miss the thing they liked.

     

    Tyler Perry still has plenty more to come, as his last two Lionsgate films, Acrimony and A Madea Family Funeral, are planned to drop this year, but seeing the steep drop from Boo 2! It’s far more likely these films will do average Perry grosses at best. Following that, Tyler Perry is now distributing his films with Paramount, with his first film for them expected to drop in 2019. Will audiences go big on that, after an onslaught of 4 films in the past three years? Well, I’m not giving my hopes up, though I doubt it will be a huge loss for Paramount (Trust me, we’ll get to that studio in a little bit).

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    DISAPPOINTMENT #4

    KINGSMAN: THE GOLDEN CIRCLE

    "Viva la Vegan"

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    Release Date: September 22

    Director: Matthew Vaughn

    Cast: Colin Firth, Julianne Moore, Taron Egerton, Mark Strong, Halle Berry, Elton John, Channing Tatum, Jeff Bridges

    B.O. Gross: $100.2M DOM, $405.2M WW

     

    Here’s another Fox franchise that disappointed financially. When Kingsman: The Secret Service first released on February 2015, its success was quite a surprise to many people. The over-the-top spy action comedy was smart counterprogramming towards Fifty Shades of Grey, and managed to receive decent reviews, thanks to its action sequences and writing, although some were critical on the ultraviolent content. Regardless, the film seemed to play well with audiences, as it grossed over $128.3 million domestically and around $414.3 million worldwide, making it a strong contender as a potential franchise for Fox, causing the film to have a sequel greenlit for 2017. Originally slated for a June release, the film moved over to September, and it seemed likely to follow other new franchises and gain from its predecessor. The first film was a sleeper hit, and this one promised to up the ante, with a lot of the stuff people liked in the first movie, alongside a new villain, new characters, and a new angle with the Statesmen, America’s equivalent to the Kingsmen.

     

    But once the reviews came in, things started to go south. Kingsman received a mixed reception, including many critics who outright despised the flick. Even the positive reviews weren’t all that enthusiastic, saying that it failed to recreate what made the first film so enjoyable. It opened to just barely over $39 million, and had a split reaction from audiences, meaning the film dropped considerably the following weekends, and just barely limped its way over $100 million domestically. It did cross $400 million worldwide, only jsut behind its predecessor, but the whole run just reeked of disappointment. With the first film’s solid gross, as well as two years of people discovering the film, it seemed like a slam dunk to gross above the first film. And yet, it went out with somewhat of a whimper.

     

    While its mixed response was the main factor for its underperformance, I think another big issue was that the marketing for this felt pretty weak. The first teaser trailer was certainly engaging, but its Comic-Con trailer got lost in the shuffle of a lot of other big hitters, and the whole marketing campaign didn’t seem to have the same zest and spunk of the first film. The first film was a hit because of its fun action sequences, and clever dialogue pieces, and Samuel L. Jackson acting like Samuel L. Jackson. This film’s marketing consisted of “Hey Colin Firth’s back...there’s a cowboy in this one...see it, I guess.” Instead of something exciting, it just felt...there. And when you fail to sell your movie to more than just fans of the original, you’re not gonna go far.

     

    Director Matthew Vaughn still has plans for a third Kingsman film, but with the domestic drop, mixed reviews, and the Disney-Fox deal, it seems like it’ll follow Sherlock Holmes 3, and be a movie the director keeps saying he’s working on, but never actually comes into fruition. At the very least, let’s hope the fans are able to get another one, and have the franchise go out with a bang instead of a whimper.

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    DISAPPOINTMENT #3

    WAR FOR THE PLANET OF THE APES

    "This is our last stand. And if we lose...it will be a Planet of the Apes."

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    Release Date: July 14

    Director: Matt Reeves

    Cast: Andy Serkis, Woody Harrelson, Steve Zahn

    B.O. Gross: $146.9M DOM, $490.7M WW

     

    Again, I'm sorry, but I had to do it. 2011’s Rise of the Planet of the Apes was a major breath of fresh air for the once dead property. After Tim Burton’s 2001 remake came out and was hated by pretty much everyone, this film changed the entire franchise and its goodwill towards audiences, thanks to its unique story from the other films that actually explained how Earth got taken over by the Apes, and became one of the biggest surprises of 2011, both with critics and at the box office. 2014 saw Dawn of the Planet of the Apes. That film became one of the highest-rated films of the year, and was considered one of the best films of the summer, opening with a stellar $72.6 million, and ending with over $208.5 million domestic and a staggering $710.6 million worldwide.

     

    2017 saw the next chapter to the with War for the Planet of the Apes. The film promised an epic battle that delivered on the suspense, emotion, and dark story line of the previous films, culminating in an epic battle between the Apes and the surviving humans. When the film’s first initial press screenings were unveiled, just about every critic on the planet went nuts over it, as it was hailed the best of the new Apes trilogy, thanks to its stunning visual effects and gripping story. While the tracking suggested around $50-60 million, many analysts believed the immense acclaim would’ve pushed it to the same opening weekend as Dawn’s.

     

    In the end, that didn’t happen, as the film only grossed only $56.3 million on its opening weekend. But simply falling into expectations wasn’t what made this so disappointing. The film’s legs were the weakest of the trilogy, as it dropped 60% on its second weekend, followed by a 50% drop on its third weekend, and ending up dealing with consistent drops around the 40% mark, before ending up only grossing around $146.9 million domestically, which made it the lowest-grossing of the trilogy. Overseas wasn’t very kind to it either, since the film lost around $159 million from its predecessor, leading to a mediocre $490.7 million gross.

     

    The reasons for this disappointing result comes down to two factors: The biggest one, to me, is the competition. With Spider-Man: Homecoming still packing in crowded auditoriums, and Dunkirk targeting the same adult male demographic as Apes, the competitive landscape was far too much to handle, especially when the previous two came in during periods where the summer offerings were slim pickings. The other factor came down to its dark, gritty tone. At a time when many moviegoers are more likely to pick light, escapist fantasies, having such a cold and dreary flick harmed repeat viewings and somewhat dampened word of mouth, making it even tougher for Caesar and friends to stand out.

     

    As the big finale to an epic trilogy, it delivered on its promise from a filmmaking standpoint, but it failed to go out on a box office high note. Maybe the next reboot of the franchise that’s sure to come in about 10-15 years will turn things around for Disney and Fox.

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    It's definitely very "mom show," but it has some really clever and smart dialogue and sequences, and really strong actors with great chemistry to elevate even some of the hokey moments. Of course, I like having a good dose of cheese in my content sometimes, so I totally understand why people wouldn't like it.

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    7 minutes ago, CoolioD1 said:

    finished the first season of marvelous mrs maisel. overall it was pretty wonderful. doing research afterwards i noticed a pretty weird oversight though, and that's that rachel brosnahan hasn't been cast in every single major motion picture currently in production. seriously she's amazing.

    Is the show better or worse than Gilmore Girls?

    The Box Office Buzz and Tracking Thread: Electric Boogaloo

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    On 1/12/2018 at 11:30 PM, CoolEric258 said:

    Maze Runner 15 1582 0.95%
    Fifty Shades 271 1921 14.11%
    Black Panther 993 2176 45.63%

     

    Maze Runner just got tickets sold today, but almost everything is from the Thursday 7 PM show

     

    Black Panther of course saw a big increase, and Shades is still chugging along.

    Maze Runner 15 1582 0.95%
    Fifty Shades 294 1921 14.11%
    Black Panther 1118 2176 51.38%

     

    Maze Runner hasn't changed whatsoever. It could be due to the weekend making its audience focus on the newest releases rather than the one coming up, but that spells trouble to me.

     

    Otherwise, Panther's at a point where for all of the night shows currently available are pretty much filled up, outside of front row and handicapped.

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    Crowd Reports Thread

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    The Post

    January 15, 1:10 PM, 70% full

     

    Trailers:

    A Wrinkle in Time

    Sicario 2: Soldado

    Annihilation

    Mamma Mia!: Here We Go Again (Laughs, but then a huge response when Cher popped up. Someone even said her name out loud)

    The 15:17 to Paris

    Love, Simon (Big laughs at the ending line)

    Red Sparrow

     

    Audience laughed at appropriate moments, but it was mostly quiet save for a whisper here and there. People seemed to like it.

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