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    China Box Office Thread | Oppenheimer-August 30

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    45 minutes ago, TigerPaw said:

    Pretty sure many of them knows. This unofficial blackout period is known to many and the period ended with HT3 on Aug 17. Just like The Great Wall, it is in English but gets a December release date and GA knows it’s a co production.

     

    Key here is that in the past 2-3months, the supply of Hollywood Movies is very rare, and this may be a factor for the stronger pre-sales and front-loadedness.

    I don't think that's a factor at all...I think we're seeing a Marvel film released during summer vacation for the first time and it's naturally going to be more front-loaded than other releases.

     

    Also, moviegoers had a much more steady diet of import films this summer than in previous years...Skyscraper, The Meg, Mamma Mia, Shoplifters all got releases in July.

    China Box Office Thread | Oppenheimer-August 30

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    7 minutes ago, Olive said:

    Saturday Est - July 7th
    Dying to Survive:     383m/946M +59%
    New Happy Dad: 25.5M/44.7M, +34%
    Animal World 21.2M/408M +36%
    Jurassic World FK : 13.5M/1619M, +56% 
    Incredibles 2 : 8.7m/310m +104%
    Escape Plan 2: 0.82M/88.2m +22%
    DOS had 4th highest single day for a local movie, and  9th highest of all.

    Biggest single day gross for an original movie in China, imported or domestic. Biggest single day in any one market for non-sequel, non-remake, non-cinematic universe installment...

     

    WOW!

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    China Box Office Thread | Oppenheimer-August 30

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    10 hours ago, firedeep said:

    It's been more than one month that no film has a higher rating than Love You (Maoyan 8.6).

     

    4 hours ago, firedeep said:

    Animal World will have super wide (like 50k+ shows wide) previews this Saturday, which will hurt FK and I2's performance.

    Smart move to take advantage of slow weekend and weak slate overall in theaters now...

    Presales Tracking Thread(Maoyan, Taopiaopiao etc)

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    On 5/22/2018 at 2:22 PM, ZeeSoh said:

    I dont know where it started from but google translates the chinese title into Ranger Solo. Even IMDB gives the same title. 

     

    What should the title be then according to you?

    Oh yeah sorry about that and thanks for catching it. I copy paste from the my previous day post and then change the date accordingly but forgot to do so today

    Not to belabor my point (but actually to belabor my point), Variety called it "Knight-Errant" Solo way before "Ranger" was coined by @Gavin Feng

    http://variety.com/2018/film/news/han-solo-day-and-date-china-theatrical-release-1202798624/

     

    And Patrick Frater is one of the few guys who reports on CBO in English and actually knows Chinese...

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    China Box Office Thread | Oppenheimer-August 30

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    Posted · Edited by jiangsen

     

    1 hour ago, Barnack said:

    2 different type of movies and that is important with the very limited revenues sharing import slot system in the China market. There is certain film a studio will accept to be played in China without having a share of the gross, they will not engage in that practice with a movie like this, really bad precedent to set.

     

    And if you want to get 25% of the box office, you need to have access and burn an import slot:

    http://chinafilminsider.com/how-many-import-slots-does-each-studio-get/

    https://sites.duke.edu/djepapers/files/2016/10/sabrina-mccutchan-dje.pdf

     

    There is around 36 slot in a year, for the 6 studios and a couple of other player to share, Warner achieved to get around 5/6 a year in recent year's.

     

    You release Rampage, Tomb Raider and Ready Player One for sure, that is already 3 slot.

     

    For sure WB will want to release The Meg, Mowgli, Potter, Aquaman (or maybe one of those will be next year to save one), but that is already 7 China movie for just one studio, I would imagine they simply could not fit a movie like Ocean's 8 in, would not be surprised if that franchise would mean little there.

     

    Like I said if you do not achieve to qualify for the revenues sharing program you can have a buyer that you can sell to for a local distributor for a fixed fee, but those are really small amount and not a practice studio want to encourage, specially not for a small-mid budget franchise movie like this.

     

     

    The Meg is a co-production. It's considered a domestic film and doesn't count towards the quota. 

    Presales Tracking Thread(Maoyan, Taopiaopiao etc)

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    Posted · Edited by jiangsen

    41 minutes ago, ZeeSoh said:

    I am not criticizing Disney for the Ranger Solo title nor do I care what it is called. Ranger Solo is pretty much everywhere which is why I am using it. If it were called Crazy Solo instead of Ranger then I would be using that title. 

     

    But you still havent explained why IMDB, Douban and Maoyan all are using the name that translates into Ranger. If Ranger(or whatever its equivalent is) did not really exist why use it then?

    "Ranger" is only used by the English language internet and is in reference to Gavin's original tweet...not anything official. 

     

    Douban and Maoyan both use the official English language title, Solo: A Star Wars Story.

    34 minutes ago, POTUS said:

    he gets touchy sometimes.  ignore it

    JW2 listed at 43 shows.  They will probably ramp it over 10k on Fri or sat. another 3 week run, new normal I guess

    10 minutes ago, POTUS said:

    they are reading our thread finally

     

    jiangsen gonna write deadline a nasty letter

    @POTUS knows me well, already sent :-)

     

    I'm a student of the language and culture so I get pissed easily when things are translated poorly and misunderstandings occur. Feel free to ignore it.

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    Presales Tracking Thread(Maoyan, Taopiaopiao etc)

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    21 minutes ago, ZeeSoh said:

    I dont know where it started from but google translates the chinese title into Ranger Solo. Even IMDB gives the same title. 

     

    What should the title be then according to you?

    Why does it need a translation? Just use its official English name here or just "Solo"

     

    It appears that it ricocheted around the internet from a tweet http://www.jedinews.co.uk/film-music-tv/articles/solo-star-wars-story-changes-name-china-ranger-solo/ by none other than our pengyou @Gavin Feng and while I love the guy, I don't think he intended to officially coin its English name, nor does he have the English authority to do so (no offense, Gavin...I really still do love you).

     

    I realize this is all an uphill battle and doesn't matter in the big scheme of things, but we're all sitting here criticizing Disney for its title while in actuality the term 游侠 isn't half bad for Solo's character.

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    China Box Office Thread | Oppenheimer-August 30

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    17 minutes ago, terrestrial said:

    Bot the general BO reporting changed to incl fees and that was what the 'discussion' around the OW was about.

    So even if for Disney (and all the other foreign distributors) changed nothing, the BO reporting websites did adjust, so 'we' look nowadays for that kind of # too. :)

    General box office reporting in China contains both 综合 (with fees) and 分账 (without). It’s only in English that reporting failed to understand the changes. 

    China Box Office Thread | Oppenheimer-August 30

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    53 minutes ago, fastclock said:

     

     

    So, CBO or SARFT will decide the official yuan number, which is 1272.7m.

     

    Disney will decide the $ equivalent using the intercompany weighted average exchange rates, which we don't know. Disney probably will not announce this as it probably relates to tax and other financial calculations. This is probably lower than the midpoint of the conversion rate - as you don't exchange currency at exactly the midpoint if it is being converted from one to another. Hence, the $ amount announced by Disney is probably lower than $200m. But had it been converted by the midpoint conversion rate, it would have been more than $200m.

    If y’all are gonna get super technical about exchange rates and how it looks in Disney’s books, why not go all the way? The official gross that Disney will eventually report (and should be reported elsewhere) will exclude the ticketing fees that aren’t calculated in their revenue share at all. That means opening weekend was ¥1.19309B = $187.6M. 

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    China Box Office Thread | Oppenheimer-August 30

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    Posted · Edited by jiangsen

    7 minutes ago, nguyenkhoi282 said:

    The studio decides everything. They could have sources saying lower, but then chose to report higher/lower estimate. They are not bound to report the exact same figure as the industry tells them.

    Not true at all in china. Studios are completely blind and reliant on the same sources we follow here.

     

    It took Hollywood and China years to agree on a third party audit and that was essentially a one time thing. 

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