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    China Box Office Thread | Oppenheimer-August 30

    in China At The Box Office

    Posted · Edited by ThiagoMaia

    27 minutes ago, Barnack said:

    When people said in some other thread, never seen a record breaker reception being so negative, I thought for a second, wait what record are we talking about, so made up record like best OW for a Hollywood SH movie or something.

     

    No we are talking about the biggest openning ever in China and it was true that reading the thread one would have not known that was the case.

     

    $200m is a totally made up irrelevant number (specially when you consider that it is volatile to the exchange rate and other factor), biggest openning ever is the big bar. Would not surprise me if the movie fall like a rock after that, having people going right away so much in that market and for that type of movie effect combined, but still..... 196 vs 206 vs 210m OW are like 5% difference.

    I think much of the reaction comes from the fact that presales seemed to indicate a OW in China over the Dom OW, at least to the most knowledgeable users in this subforum. I for one thoughh the floor was 230M, based on POTUS pojections so, since I thought 200M was already in the bag, it doesn't look too great for me, even though objectively it is a great number.

     

    Also, I'm not blaming the users who made the projections at all, I'm thankful to them for trying to predict as well as they could. I reckon this movie behaved very differently than what's normal in relation to presales, so not their fault. 

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    BOT's Top 100 Movies of All-Time: 2018 Edition - DEADLINE IS TODAY! SEND A LIST!

    in Box Office Discussion

    Posted · Edited by ThiagoMaia

    13 hours ago, JamesCameronScholar said:

    Sent my list: 

    1    Avatar
    2    Titanic
    3    Star Wars: The Force Awakens
    4    Jurassic World
    5    Marvel's The Avengers
    6    Furious 7
    7    Avengers: Age of Ultron
    8    Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 2
    9    Star Wars: The Last Jedi
    10    Frozen
    11    Beauty and the Beast (2017)
    12    The Fate of the Furious
    13    Iron Man 3
    14    Minions
    15    Captain America: Civil War
    16    Transformers: Dark of the Moon
    17    The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King
    18    Skyfall
    19    Transformers: Age of Extinction
    20    The Dark Knight Rises
    21    Toy Story 3
    22    Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest
    23    Rogue One: A Star Wars Story
    24    Pirates of the Caribbean: On Stranger Tides
    25    Despicable Me 3
    26    Jurassic Park
    27    Finding Dory
    28    Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace
    29    Alice in Wonderland (2010)
    30    Zootopia
    31    The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey
    32    The Dark Knight
    33    Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone
    34    Despicable Me 2
    35    The Lion King
    36    The Jungle Book (2016)
    37    Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End
    38    Jumanji: Welcome to the Jungle
    39    Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 1
    40    The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug
    41    The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies
    42    Finding Nemo
    43    Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix
    44    Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince
    45    The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers
    46    Shrek 2
    47    Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire
    48    Spider-Man 3
    49    Ice Age: Dawn of the Dinosaurs
    50    Spectre
    51    Spider-Man: Homecoming
    52    Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets
    53    Ice Age: Continental Drift
    54    The Secret Life of Pets
    55    Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice
    56    The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring
    57    Wolf Warrior 2
    58    The Hunger Games: Catching Fire
    59    Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2
    60    Inside Out
    61    Thor: Ragnarok
    62    Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith
    63    Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen
    64    The Twilight Saga: Breaking Dawn Part 2
    65    Inception
    66    Wonder Woman
    67    Spider-Man
    68    Independence Day
    69    Fantastic Beasts and Where To Find Them
    70    Coco
    71    Shrek the Third
    72    Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban
    73    Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Men Tell No Tales
    74    E.T.: The Extra-Terrestrial
    75    Fast & Furious 6
    76    Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull
    77    Spider-Man 2
    78    Deadpool
    79    Star Wars
    80    Guardians of the Galaxy
    81    2012
    82    Maleficent
    83    The Da Vinci Code
    84    The Amazing Spider-Man
    85    The Hunger Games: Mockingjay - Part 1
    86    Shrek Forever After
    87    X-Men: Days of Future Past
    88    Madagascar 3: Europe's Most Wanted
    89    Suicide Squad
    90    The Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe
    91    Monsters University
    92    The Matrix Reloaded
    93    Up
    94    Gravity
    95    Captain America: The Winter Soldier
    96    The Twilight Saga: Breaking Dawn Part 1
    97    Dawn of the Planet of the Apes
    98    The Twilight Saga: New Moon
    99    Transformers
    100    Amazing Spiderman 2
     

     

    Didn't notice anyone commenting on this, this list, is the highest grossing movies worldwide without 2018 movies, is it going to count?

     

    @Critically Acclaimed Panda

    BOT's Top 100 Movies of All-Time: 2018 Edition - DEADLINE IS TODAY! SEND A LIST!

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    Posted · Edited by ThiagoMaia
    Had the decade breakdown wrong

    Here it goes. Nothing too offesive, I guess, except having 4 MCU movies on the top 10 (That is, before 2018). I have many more movies from the 10's than other lists, and way less from the eighties. I guess that's because I just started getting into movie on the 10s, most of the old good movies I have watched are here because of the effort I made a couple of years ago to watch all movies on the top 250 of IMDb. I also really love westerns, many of my 10/10 (which go down to number 42 on this list) are westerns in one way or another (No Country for Old Men is not considered a western on Letterboxd, but I consider it to be so.) including my favorite non-MCU movie of all time, Unforgiven.  
    Spoiler

     

    1   Captain America: Civil War (2016)
    2   Unforgiven (1992)
    3   Guardians of the Galaxy (2014)
    4   The Avengers (2012)
    5   Pulp Fiction (1994)
    6   Captain America: The Winter Soldier (2014)
    7   Gone Girl (2014)
    8   There Will Be Blood (2007)
    9   The Departed (2006)
    10   The Dark Knight (2008)
    11   Django Unchained (2012)
    12   Mad Max: Fury Road (2015)
    13   Whiplash (2014)
    14   Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb (1964)
    15   The Hateful Eight (2015)
    16   The Matrix (1999)
    17   No Country for Old Men (2007)
    18   Blade Runner 2049 (2017)
    19   The Empire Strikes Back (1980)
    20   Inglourious Basterds (2009)
    21   It Happened One Night (1934)
    22   Prisoners (2013)
    23   Manchester by the Sea (2016)
    24   Thor: Ragnarok (2017)
    25   12 Angry Men (1957)
    26   The Revenant (2015)
    27   Inception (2010)
    28   Ratatouille (2007)
    29   2001: A Space Odyssey (1968)
    30   Shaun of the Dead (2004)
    31   District 9 (2009)
    32   The Wolf of Wall Street (2013)
    33   The Bridge on the River Kwai (1957)
    34   The Treasure of the Sierra Madre (1948)
    35   The Big Lebowski (1998)
    36   Saving Private Ryan (1998)
    37   Finding Nemo (2003)
    38   Casablanca (1942)
    39   Monty Python and the Holy Grail (1975)
    40   City of God (2002)
    41   Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon (2000)
    42   Once Upon a Time in the West (1968)
    43   Children of Men (2006)
    44   Good Will Hunting (1997)
    45   The Good, the Bad and the Ugly (1966)
    46   Seven Samurai (1954)
    47   Sicario (2015)
    48   Heat (1995)
    49   Ben-Hur (1959)
    50   Oldboy (2003)
    51   La La Land (2016)
    52   12 Years a Slave (2013)
    53   Judgment at Nuremberg (1961)
    54   Memento (2000)
    55   Rush (2013)
    56   The Hunt (2012)
    57   A Clockwork Orange (1971)
    58   V for Vendetta (2005)
    59   Fargo (1996)
    60   One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest (1975)
    61   Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 (2017)
    62   WALL·E (2008)
    63   Bone Tomahawk (2015)
    64   Iron Man (2008)
    65   The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King (2003)
    66   The Great Escape (1963)
    67   Cool Hand Luke (1967)
    68   The Incredibles (2004)
    69   World War Z (2013)
    70   Get Out (2017)
    71   Life Is Beautiful (1997)
    72   Forrest Gump (1994)
    73   3 Idiots (2009)
    74   Roman Holiday (1953)
    75   Batman Begins (2005)
    76   Silver Linings Playbook (2012)
    77   Psycho (1960)
    78   Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind (2004)
    79   Terminator 2: Judgment Day (1991)
    80   Some Like It Hot (1959)
    81   The Apartment (1960)
    82   Kill Bill: Vol. 2 (2004)
    83   Deadpool (2016)
    84   Lawrence of Arabia (1962)
    85   Logan (2017)
    86   Star Wars: The Last Jedi (2017)
    87   It’s a Wonderful Life (1946)
    88   The Godfather: Part II (1974)
    89   War for the Planet of the Apes (2017)
    90   Hot Fuzz (2007)
    91   Barry Lyndon (1975)
    92   Scarface (1983)
    93   Tropic Thunder (2008)
    94   The Raid (2011)
    95   All About Eve (1950)
    96   The Nice Guys (2016)
    97   Watchmen (2009)
    98   Papillon (1973)
    99   Zodiac (2007)
    100   Akira (1988)

     

     

    Decade breakdown:

    1920 - 0

    1930 - 1

    1940 - 3

    1950 - 7

    1960 - 10

    1970 - 6

    1980 - 3

    1990 - 11

    2000 - 27

    2010 - 32

     

    Directors with 3 or more movies on the top 100:

    Tarantino - 5

    Kubrick - 4

    Nolan - 4

    Villenueve - 3

    Coen Brothers - 3

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    Wednesday numbers: IW $7M

    in Numbers and Data

    Posted · Edited by ThiagoMaia

    I feel like some people put excessive emphasis on multiplier. Many people would consider Infinity War to be more of a success if it hit 650 off of a 220 OW than 700 with 258 OW, and that makes no sense. Multipliers are only good as a measure of audience reception, (good multipliers are also generally more fun to track, since everyday there is an impressive number) but if a movie has a huge opening because of a very high demand, it won't reach too high a multiplier, even if it's very well received, except for very rare cases. So if Marvel has 4 movies on the top 25, even if their multiplier is a piece of shit, that doesn't mean anything other than they are an incredibly successful studio and franchise. IW multiplier is good for what it is, reception is very good as anyone can attest, and it's total numbers are just great, the international numbers even greater.

     

    Edit: Also, they actually have 6, and the other 2 just have good multipliers, so it's even better.

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    Tuesday (9/5):- Infinity War - 10.67m

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    Posted

    32 minutes ago, Critically Acclaimed Panda said:

    We have enough lists for it to be fair, I’d just like as many as we can get.  There is a danger of the number of lists submitted being smaller than last years though unless I get over 15 today and tomorrow.

    You'll have mine by tomorrow.

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    BOT's Top 100 Movies of All-Time: 2018 Edition - DEADLINE IS TODAY! SEND A LIST!

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    Posted

    10 hours ago, tawasal said:
    1.   Reveal hidden contents
      Previous list. 

     

    EDITED LIST. 

     

    1. 12 Angry Men
    2. The Apartment
    3. The Dark Knight
    4. La Strada
    5. Amelie
    6. Modern Times
    7. The Lives of Others
    8. My Man Godfrey 
    9. The Sound Of Music
    10. City Lights
    11. Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind
    12. Life of Pi
    13. Roman Holiday 
    14. Incendies 
    15. Christmas In Connecticut
    16. The Swimmer
    17. Gold Rush
    18. Singin' In The Rain
    19. The Best Offer
    20. His Girl Friday
    21. The Godfather 
    22. Pump Up The Volume
    23. Short Term 12
    24. Flipped
    25. The Thin Man 
    26. The Women
    27. Gladiator
    28. Spy Game
    29. The Night of the Hunter
    30. Once Upon a Time in the West
    31. Doctor Zhivago
    32. The Godfather Part II
    33. Some Kind of Wonderful
    34. The Grand Budapest Hotel
    35. Seven Samurai
    36. Ikiru 
    37. Spartacus
    38. Pappillion
    39. Harold and Maude
    40. Room
    41. The Kid 
    42. A Beautiful Mind
    43. Being There
    44. Roman Holiday 
    45. Sabrina
    46. Paper Moon 
    47. The Intouchables 
    48. The Lord of the Rings - The Fellowship of the Ring 
    49. Saving Private Ryan
    50. Road to Perdition
    51. The Great Dictator
    52. V for Vendetta
    53. Zodiac
    54. The Lord of the Rings - The Return of the King
    55. True Romance
    56. No Country for Old Men
    57. The General
    58. Her
    59. The Good, The Bad & The Ugly
    60. Casablanca
    61. Good Will Hunting
    62. The Usual Suspects
    63. The Bourne Identity
    64. Apollo 13
    65. L.A. Confidential
    66. The Bourne Supremacy
    67. Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl
    68. The Shawshank Redemption 
    69. Alien
    70. Snatch
    71. Slumdog Millionaire
    72. A Fistful of Dollars
    73. Prisoners 
    74. The Perks of Being a Wallflower 
    75. For a Few Dollars More
    76. Stand by Me
    77. Into the Wild
    78. The Bourne Ultimatum
    79. Fried Green Tomatoes
    80. The Lord of the Rings - The Two Towers
    81. Clueless
    82. Contact
    83. Ferris Bueller's Day Off
    84. The Princess Bride
    85. The Breakfast Club
    86. Mystic River
    87. District 9
    88. Life Is Beautiful
    89. Animal House
    90. Inception 
    91. Captain America: The Winter Soldier
    92. Jaws
    93. Jurassic Park
    94. The Last Picture Show 
    95. Looper
    96. The Florida Project
    97. The Incredibles 
    98. The Perks of Being a Wallflower
    99. All Is Lost
    100. Imitation of Life

    Cool list.

     

    You have The Perks of being a Wallflower twice.

    Weekend Thread | Avengers 2nd Weekend - 114.774 only a 21.5% drop on Sunday

    in Numbers and Data

    Posted

    3 minutes ago, That One Guy said:

     

    Man this is a horrible way to watch movies.  Not everything demands logic.  Just enjoy the film instead of overanalyzing every shot.

    I don't think I over analyze, I usually try to give the movie the benefit of the doubt, like "maybe there is a reason for the characters to do this, that I just don't know". But when it is so clear and important for a scene, it takes me out of it. 

    Weekend Thread | Avengers 2nd Weekend - 114.774 only a 21.5% drop on Sunday

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    Posted

    I'm watching Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom on Netflix right now, and so far very little in the film made sense at all. The whole bar shootout scene felt completely forced, at every point Indy was way overwhelmed, they could have just killed any time. Also, why did the girl travel with him? She just followed him into the plane. Also, of the plane guys wanted to kill him, why not shoot him while he slept, instead of giving up a whole plane just to kill a guy.

    Weekend Thread | Avengers 2nd Weekend - 114.774 only a 21.5% drop on Sunday

    in Numbers and Data

    Posted

    11 minutes ago, Barnack said:

    I would imagine they have no official idea and are just taking those service words for it, they could even be the one writing them at this point with the distributor finding the wording and example that make it look the most positives they possibly can.

     

    It is a pure publicity that the trade accept to publish because they gave them some little hint and they like the traffics, imo of course, but there is not journalistic anything involved in those (or even work done).

    Speaking of that, I find it hilarious how some of this articles include "already breaking records" for records that are based on a defined period of time. Of course the record for sales on the first 24h is going to be beaten in the first 24h!

    Wed #s IW - 16.8m

    in Numbers and Data

    Posted

    1 minute ago, NCsoft said:

    People always say this and yet somehow Avatar always wind up in these discussions...

    There is a very simple explanation as to why Avatar ends up in BOT's discussions...

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