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27 minutes ago, LinksterAC said:
Go to the appropriate thread on the OS board and I'll be happy to tell you.
Link me to your post when you're done.
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22 minutes ago, LinksterAC said:
You can make a compelling argument that TFA would have grossed $2.7B with 2010 ER.
I'd like to see someone try and justify that one.
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5 minutes ago, JonathanLB said:
the gold standard for measuring box office success.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-grossing_films
5 minutes ago, JonathanLB said:We
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The mental gymnastics taking place in this thread right now is hilarious.
Trying to twist it so TFA's domestic run is somehow more successful than Titanic's? When was profitability ever a measure of success to anyone but studios? I've never heard of "the most profitable movies of all time" being talked about by anyone, ever.
The ways in which people are trying to twist things to make TFA seem more successful are getting more and more ridiculous by the day.-
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TFA doesn't even compare to Avatar's ticket sales, let alone Titanic's. In Europe:
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22 minutes ago, IronJimbo said:
Reminds me of myself.
When doing the numbers for Avatar 2 I rounded up numbers instead of down, I couldn't help it. Through thousands of calculations I have Avatar 2 making $3.8B WW instead of $3.7B WW due to really liking James "Iron Jim" Cameron.God I'm glad you post on these forums.
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4 minutes ago, MovieMan89 said:
It is pretty incredible an SW film will easily topple any HP film OS, considering the OS juggernaut that franchise was. Nice that we can finally put the "Star Wars isn't an OS franchise!" stuff to rest.
Pretty sure it won't come anywhere near The Philosopher's Stone in overseas ticket sales.
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4 minutes ago, Renaud originel said:
Thank-you for this.
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What are presales looking like today for TFA? Down much from yesterday?
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1 minute ago, Cynosure said:
Is it forbidden to be happy about Titanic keeping the #2 spot ?
It certainly deserves it more than TFA. Deserves the #1 spot more than Avatar, really.
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38 minutes ago, sgchn40 said:
Given that SW7 worldwide gross is now 1.733 billion, with additional $150m from North America and $60m from China, can it beat Titanic 2.187 billon worldwide? It seems like even this is a question mark now...
It's now pretty much impossible to beat Titanic WW.
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4 hours ago, Elessar said:
So what conclusions do you draw from that?
It doesn't make sense. You can't do that calculation without accounting for the percentage of total gross the 4th weekend made for both films. The Hobbit made $58m in its 4th weekend, and $105.6m thereafter, but you've calculated about $164.3m (1033-868.7) after the 4th weekend for TFA, which is more than The Hobbit did past its 4th weekend even though TFA had a smaller 4th weekend gross ($51.3m). That doesn't make any sense and can't possibly happen if they follow the same drops.
What you need to do, is work out the percentage of total gross up to that point that the 4th weekend made for both TFA and The Hobbit (for TFA, it's 51.3/868.7 = 0.05905, and for The Hobbit it's 58.6/562.8 = 0.1041). Then you need to work out the ratio between them (0.05905/0.1041 = 0.5672), and THEN you need to multiply that by the 0.19 or 19% that you calculated (actually 0.1876). That gives 0.5672*0.1876 = 0.1064. So it's actually a 10.64% increase TFA would see in its current $868.7m gross, which equates to $961.1m. That's the actual gross TFA will end up with if it follows The Hobbit's drops exactly from here. As a sanity check, you can see that this figure does actually make sense - due to TFA's slightly lower 4th weekend figure, it ends up making slightly less past the 4th weekend than The Hobbit with the same drops (961.1-868.7 = $92.4m, compared to The Hobbit's $105.6m).
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27 minutes ago, terrestrial said:
GLOBAL REPORT: 'The Force Awakens' Becomes #3 All-Time Highest Grossing Film Worldwide But Fails To Breakout In... http://fb.me/4agCIfNHs
Seems like not every news site is in Disney's pocket.
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31 minutes ago, Elessar said:
Hobbit 1 was at $562.8m, coming off a $58m 4th weekend OS.
It ended its run with $668.4m OS, excluding China, which is a total-after-4th-weekend-to-total multiplier of 1,19.
Applying that to TFA: $868.7m * 1,19 = $1033m
Hmm, it's gonna be close either way...
I don't think that's especially valid. The Hobbit's 4th weekend as a percentage of its total gross up to that point is far higher than TFA's (minus China) is.
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4 minutes ago, Cookson said:
Could it also be because it's not the summer time?
The 4th and 5th highest-grossing films of all time in China were released in September and December last year.
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4 minutes ago, terrestrial said:
STAR WARS: THE FORCE AWAKENS: $921.4M Overseas Total / $1.733411B Global Total
#StarWars#TheForceAwakensSo looking like $47.4m overseas plus the $52.7m in China this weekend.
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12 minutes ago, bangbingchan said:
Even FF7 2nd Weekend is ahead of TFA OD.So it's 6th highest Saturday.Mojin first Sat is also higher than TFA.If you notice,DL describe highest Saturday start,not highest Saturday
That's what I was talking about. F7's first saturday is during its second weekend, since it opened on a Sunday. As for Mojin, you're totally right. So TFA is actually 6th.
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10 minutes ago, kswiston said:
All higher in RMB or just USD? I know Ultron was higher in local currency. Lost in Hong Kong was the local film I was thinking of, so I know that was higher as well.
TF4 did 223m yuan, Furious 7 did 225m, Age of Ultron did 236m, and Lost in Hong Kong did 246m+. All of these were on the first Saturday of the respective film's run. Estimates are all over the place at the moment regarding TFA's opening but I think even TF4 is comfortably ahead of even the largest of them.
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7 minutes ago, kswiston said:
It's not the biggest Saturday ever, just the biggest opening day Saturday. Age of Ultron's first Saturday was higher. I don't pay as much attention to the performance of local films, but I am pretty sure at least one of those had a higher Saturday as well.
Lost in Hong Kong, Transformers 4, Age of Ultron and F7 all have higher saturdays. TFA is 5th.
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4 hours ago, Purple Minion said:
It's the biggest Saturday
No it isn't. It's the biggest "opening Saturday", which I'm pretty sure is a marketing cover because I can't find any other recent blockbusters at all that have opened on a Saturday. As far as Saturdays in China go, Age of Ultron's first was $38m, and I'm pretty sure F7 had a higher first Saturday too. There's probably more.
Edit: Age of Extinction's first Saturday in 2014 was higher, too.
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1 hour ago, efialtes76 said:
Maoyan(final):193.03m +15.76m(previews)=208.79m
Does this work out as 4th behind TF4, AOU and F7?
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11 minutes ago, terrestrial said:
China Box Office
@ChinaBoxOffice#ChinaBoxOffice#StarWars
#TheForceAwakens
debuted with est $32.1M (RMB 211M) on Sat, 3rd best debut for import.
Does this include midnights?Never mind, answered above.
The Force Awakens, Avatar, and Exchange Rates
in International Box Office
Posted · Edited by hw64
Are we moving over here?
Which website did you use for the exchange rates?
You're severely overestimating Canada's gross. Canada's total box office for this year was $700m USD, in a year when the domestic box office as a whole reached $11b.
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Also, there's no point just directly comparing the figure you've calculated to Avatar's worldwide gross. You've taken into account one thing that's in TFA's favor, but if you want to compare the two properly then you also need to take into consideration box office market growth since 2010 (China, Brazil and Russia are not "small" markets), ticket price inflation (I believe the average ticket price for TFA is higher than Avatar's domestically, and the same is true for some (many?) overseas markets), and all that. You can't just take into account exchange rates only and call it a wrap.
Edit: Just did a little research and Russia's box office revenue in 2011 was 34b RUB compared to 48b in 2015. That's an increase of over 40% in 4 years. I'll have a look at some more markets.