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2 hours ago, WrathOfHan said:
Predictions for other categories:
Animated:
1. Coco
2. The Breadwinner
3. The LEGO Ninjago Movie
4. Captain Underpants: The First Epic Movie
5. Ferdinand
Alt: My Entire High School Sinking Into the Sea
Cinematography:
1. Blade Runner 2049
2. Dunkirk
3. The Shape of Water
4. mother!
5. WonderstruckAlt: Detroit
Editing:
1. Dunkirk
2. Detroit
3. Blade Runner 2049
4. The Shape of Water
5. Baby Driver
Alt: mother!
Production Design:
1. The Greatest Showman
2. Detroit
3. Blade Runner 2049
4. The Shape of Water
5. Dunkirk
Alt: The Papers
Costume Design:
1. The Greatest Showman
2. The Shape of Water
3. Detroit
4. Beauty and the Beast
5. mother!
Alt: Wonder Woman
Makeup:
1. The Shape of Water
2. Darkest Hour
3. The Greatest Showman
Alt: Blade Runner 2049
Score:
1. Hans Zimmer, Dunkirk
2. Johan Johannson, mother!
3. Carter Burwell, Wonderstruck
4. Johan Johannson, Blade Runner 2049
5. John Williams, Star Wars: The Last Jedi
Alt: Alexandre Desplat, The Shape of Water
Song:
1. Coco
2. The Greatest Showman
3. Evermore, Beauty and the Beast
4. I Don't Wanna Live Forever, Fifty Shades Darker
5. Chase Me, Baby Driver
Alt: Ferdinand
Visual Effects:
1. Blade Runner 2049
2. The Shape of Water
3. War for the Planet of the Apes
4. Dunkirk
5. Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets
Alt: Guardians of the Galaxy Volume 2
Sound Editing:
1. Dunkirk
2. Blade Runner 2049
3. The Shape of Water
4. Detroit
5. Star Wars: The Last Jedi
Alt: Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets
Sound Mixing:
1. The Greatest Showman
2. Dunkirk
3. Baby Driver
4. Blade Runner 2049
5. The Shape of Water
Alt: Star Wars: The Last Jedi
Total nominations:
13:
The Shape of Water (Picture, Director, Supporting Actor, Supporting Actress, Original Screenplay, Editing, Cinematography, Production Design, Costume Design, Makeup, Visual Effects, Sound Editing, Sound Mixing)
9:
Dunkirk (Picture, Director, Editing, Cinematography, Production Design, Score, Visual Effects, Sound Editing, Sound Mixing)
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Blade Runner 2049 (Adapted Screenplay, Editing, Cinematography, Production Design, Score, Visual Effects, Sound Editing, Sound Mixing)
mother! (Picture, Director, Actor, Actress, Supporting Actress, Cinematography, Costume Design, Score)
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Detroit (Picture, Director, Supporting Actor, Editing, Production Design, Costume Design, Sound Editing)
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The Greatest Showman (Production Design, Costume Design, Makeup, Song, Sound Mixing)
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The Papers (Picture, Director, Actress, Original Screenplay)
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Baby Driver (Editing, Song, Sound Mixing)
Call Me by Your Name (Picture, Supporting Actor, Adapted Screenplay)
Darkest Hour (Picture, Actor, Makeup)
Last Flag Flying (Picture, Actor, Adapted Screenplay)
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Beauty and the Beast (Costume Design, Song)
Coco (Animated, Song)
Get Out (Picture, Original Screenplay)
Roman Israel, Esq. (Actor, Supporting Actor)
Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Score, Sound Editing)
Suburbicon (Picture, Original Screenplay)
Three Billboards (Actress, Original Screenplay)
Wonderstruck (Cinematography, Score)
So the shape of water with 13 noms , also nobody wins best actor or supporting ?
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Best Actor
1. Daniel Day-Lewis - Lincoln
2. Casey Affleck - Manchester by the Sea3. Matthew McConaughey - Dallas Buyers Club
4. Colin Firth - The King's Speech
5. Leonardo DiCaprio - The Revenant
6. Eddie Redmayne - The Theory of Everything
7. Jean DuJardin - The Artist
Best Actress
1. Natalie Portman - Black Swan2. Cate Blanchett - Blue Jasmine
3. Brie Larson - Room
4. Jennifer Lawrence - Silver Linings Playbook
5. Julianne Moore - Still Alice
6. Emma Stone - La La Land
7. Meryl Streep - The Iron Lady
Best Supporting Actor
1. Christian Bale - The Fighter
2. J.K. Simmons - Whiplash3. Christoph Waltz - Django Unchained
4. Christopher Plummer - Beginners
5. Mark Rylance - Bridge of Spies
6. Mahershala Ali - Moonlight
7. Jared Leto - Dallas Buyers Club
Best Supporting Actress1. Alicia Vikander - The Danish Girl
2. Viola Davis - Fences
3. Anne Hathaway - Les Miserables
4. Melissa Leo - The Fighter
5. Lupita Nyong'o - 12 Years a Slave
6. Patricia Arquette - Boyhood
7. Octavia Spencer - The Help
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1. Birdman
2. 12 YAS
3. Spotlight
4. The King's Speech
5. Moonlight
6. Argo
7. The Artist
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Gotta love March predictions
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I mean , Look at David O Russell , his misadventures are discussed publicly by actors and actresses who worked for him
when will he get his share ???
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37 minutes ago, moviesRus said:
Does that matter though? He himself is directing his own follow up film which has already sold to overseas territories, he has Ben (who will produce and direct movies until he dies), Matt (who also produces movies), also most likely has Brad Pitt in his corner after working together several times, Joaquin and the whole Phoenix family, and his working relationship with indie darling David Lowery with their next film together co-starring Robert Redfort and Sissy Spacek. Even if everyone else in Hollywood hated him, he would have work from just his friends and family alone. lol. I doubt he was ever going to try to become an action leading man. He seems like he just wants to do his Sundance movies.
Granted, most Best Actor winners don't see a huge change in their career direction anyways. That's usually the actresses. Most of the actors just continue doing whatever they were doing before.
He actually doesn't give a damn , he is not the guy who wants to star in blockbusters or something , he is way more serious than Damon and his older brother to consider such films and frankly he is way too good to be ignored when it comes to movies with such heartfelt themes aimed at a narrow audience
plus actors with worse reputations have recovered given a few years
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18 minutes ago, Valonqar said:
How are Oscars more relevant with the catastrophic loss of audience? They nominate and award movies for a very small group of like-minds. It's an echo chamber. Nobody's ever going to rediscover Moonlight. It's done. Who wanted to see it, has seen it already. No one else ever will. Bigelow movies and 12YS already ranked under top 50 and top 40 respectively in BBC's best of the decade. That's very low for movies that critics and industry thought were the most important shit ever. Yet TDK and Fury Road cracked top 20 and 10 respectively. Justice.
You can't have relevance if most people don't know and don't care. This current system completely killed any chance for big, well-reviewed, populist nominations, even though initial reason for expanding BP field was a reaction to TDK snub, to allow big movies to be included. And then they came up with a system that prevents that.
MMFR was nominated for 10 million oscars and other awards including 6 oscar wins .
If you want only big movies to be nominated then Whiplash , Her , Beasts of the southern wild and the likes will be swept under the rug , sometimes the general audience is just wrong , take The Fast and the Furious franchise as an example
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47 minutes ago, titanic2187 said:
conclusuin: The oscar cannot accept a best picture without winning screenplay award.
The once, director and best picture will be the same myth, is totally gone.
If u wish to get best picture, try grab best screenplay category 1st!!
Well, there is the The Artist so ....
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I love how every person not being Super Happy with moonlight's win is now a racist
Fellas it is not about the subject of controversy , it's about controversy it self . in the past years many many movies were awarded because they touched a "Hot Subject" where as more artistic movies were awarded mostly technical stuff . Argo , Spotlight , Hurt locker ,The Artist (old films were really cool thing ) , and now Moonlight are prime examples of this sort of behavior .
ever since the new voting system and the number of BP nominees increased truly artistic movies started losing to movies with sensitive subjects , if No country for old men , A Beautiful Mind , Slumdog Millionaire and Million dollar baby were to be nominated next year they would lose to a movie about elections and political corruption
so please fellas stop it with the racist thing
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4 minutes ago, Telemachos said:
Personally I was rooting for ARRIVAL but HACKSAW is a very well-cut movie and clearly it had some admirers within the Academy too. The Best Editing loss didn't necessarily indicate more strength for MOONLIGHT, it just indicated LA LA LAND was weaker than expected.
Even before the show, some prognosticators we're talking about if LLL didn't win outright on the first ballot pass, it was in trouble, because it was the sort of movie that had its share of passionate supporters but many others would put it further down the list. Meanwhile MOONLIGHT was a movie that was getting a ton of love and likely showed up as the second or third choice on many ballots.
Heck, look at how much love the LLL people themselves gave MOONLIGHT. Even above and beyond the plot of the movie, the idea of a writer/director passionately finding a way to make his movie despite so many years of struggle and denial clearly spoke to a lot of people. Maybe that's something we should explore more: that Barry Jenkins essentially lived out the story of LLL in his actual life.
Agreed . in the end it went to one of the top 3 movies of the year so it is not like Lion or Hacksaw Ridge won
the important thing is justice was delivered in the acting categories ( especially Affleck , not so especially Stone as she is the only controversial winner ) and both screenplay categories were very well deserved , Chazelle won Director so it was a very fine year I would say
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6 minutes ago, Telemachos said:
There's no way you (or I) know exactly why SAG members chose to vote the way they did, but they've certainly gone for the eventual winner a fair amount of time and it's worth noting that they didn't this time. And perhaps that was an unexpected weak link in LA LA LAND's Oscar chances: if you were an actor and you weren't over the moon for Stone or Gosling, there's a good chance you voted for something else.
The experts I saw on the various Oscar blogs more or less picked LLL to win 9. Several thought it would win more. This story that "it basically won what it was expected to win" isn't true. Even if you grant that it missed out on some of its fringe categories, the Best Editing loss is a huge red flag -- that's an Oscar most BPs win, especially if they're a heavy front-runner in general.
My friend stone won the Sag and Gosling was nominated for it , they were not however nominated for ensemble cast because the movie has only those two in it's entirety and as you know those two were nominated with one of them winning
and about the editing thing it's not like Moonlight won it over LLL , freakin Hacksaw Ridge took the damn thing ( sorry but it made me very angry that Arrival or LLL did not take that ) so Moonlight had the same chink in the armor that LLL had but without having LLL's arsenal of weapons
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3 minutes ago, Valonqar said:
I don't have to look for a way because black (movie) people's successes tend to come with pre-arranged political hype. In fact, it seems like everyone who campaigns for those movies and people revel in political hype. There are exceptions too. Like Obama, though that's not a movie example. Credit where credit is due, he was such a strong candidate, he didn't need "it is time" race baiting to win. That his win was historical in that regard went without saying but he didn't resort to it because he didn't need it. That's how you know win's deserved. Cuaron also didn't need "it is time" shit to become the first Mexican director winner. His incredible work spoke for itself. OTOH, McQueen was crawling on the floor begging to become a historical winner. Why? cause he was weak. You need politics only if your work alone isn't stronger than the competition. No wonder he didn't win but his movie won as a consolation or whatever.
12 years a slave was a damn masterpiece man , movies like that should win naturally
don't dismiss movie qualities based on race please
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3 minutes ago, Telemachos said:
Your opinion is your opinion, but it's not some objective fact.
@filmlover is right to bring up preferential balloting -- over the last several years, it's shown that many of the older statistics (and even the guild awards) don't necessarily matter when it comes to Best Pic. Indeed, only the PGAs are a decent harbinger for that, since they're also preferential, and in retrospect I'd guess that LA LA LAND's win there was closer than we expected. When you combine that with HIDDEN FIGURES winning the SAG Best Ensemble, clearly LA LA LAND's front runner position was shakier than we all thought.
My friend no movie in recent years has had such strong precursors , and the SAG ensemble thing was because it literally had an actor and an actress for the entire duration of the movie
now there has been some movies with very strong award buzz before the oscars and were considered the frontrunners such as The Social Network and Boyhood but when they lost best picture they lost a whole bunch of academy awards with them including best director , LLL won everything it was predicted to win except for sound mixing and film editing but lost BP , which means Moonlight did not in fact pull off a King's Speech , not even the same case with last year's Spotlight because it was still considered the frontrunner heading into the oscars despite losing in many categories
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3 minutes ago, CoolioD1 said:
i thought the third act was easily the best part of moonlight personally.
Personally I think the second act was phenomenal , nothing happened in the third act (either that or I missed the point ) but this is my personal opinion which is not a fact
but the other things that I said about the award season and Moonlight's win is an objective look at the numbers and equations
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Moonlight is a FANTASTIC movie with an incredible first and second act , however the third act is somewhat average and that IMO is what holds it from greatness , that is why being awarded BP is not a very deserving one , the win here is almost fully political but that doesn't mean it is not a very good movie for in fact it is but looking back at the awards LLL has won like the DGA , PGA , BAFTA , sweeping the Globes and about 70 other awards with moonlight semi consistently winning supporting actor and screenplay here and there
now those are the same people who awarded Moonlight very few awards , hell it lost the best ensemble to hidden figures , so it is not like the oscars don't overlap with the DGA , PGA , BAFTA and SAG who obviously thought that nothing comes near LLL but the controversy surrounding the subject which happens to be extremely close to the controversy surrounding the oscars in the past couple years led to the Moonlight win
I'm not being racist here , it is the same with Crash/Argo/King's speech winning BP and those are almost completely white movies but tackling some sensitive subjects leads to winning in this manner and there are plenty of examples in recent years , the thing is there hasn't been such a clear front runner in years with the closest thing being Slumdog Millionaire , LLL won everything and then some but the whole "the academy loves to honor movies about movies " paired with " here is a very good movie about gay struggle " in a year where the academy is recovering from the oscars so white thing and one gotta say the win is not wholehearted
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IMO Moonlight's first and second acts were PHENOMENAL , absolutely amazing , but the third act was pretty average ( either that or I missed something ) and the ending is a very important aspect of any movie and there it was lacking a bit compared to the rest of the nominees
My personal favorite was Manchester by the Sea and it did win the awards it deserved and it would have won supporting actress too if viola was nominated as lead but the category fraud these years seems to be working well
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and WHAT THE HELL happened in the end ? Moonlight ???
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How the hell did LLL lose both sound categories and editing ??? If Arrival took editing it would be fine because the movie was built on it but hacksaw ridge ? really ?
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2 hours ago, The Panda said:
Ive actually pretty much agreed with a lot of their recent picks. Especially Rylance and Simmons.
They did deserve it but DiCaprio and Redmayne ??? please !
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29 minutes ago, CoolioD1 said:
probably like 15. around the same as Jared Leto in terms of recent winners.
I watched it again with like a calculator , he is on for about 13 mins and some change which is on par or more than the screen time of Raylance but I'm pretty sure Leto was on for more
to be completely honest he deserves the oscar , one of the rare cases where it actually goes where it should
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how many minutes was Ali's screen time ?
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Viola Davis deserves the oscar for she was a beast in that role
but also to be fair she did have a lot of space to do that compared to the others , she is practically lead actress nominated for supporting , like Vikander last year
the academy needs some rules to prevent such cases
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having seen all the nominated movies except for HF , Manchester by the sea really deserves winning screenplay and actor
it is also a very BP deserving movie but I can see why most people wouldn't vote for it
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except the animation , Kubo was very mainstream
I'm ok with anything else winning
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Best Animated Feature - 2017
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