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2 hours ago, ThomasNicole said:
Of course i´m very glad that it pulled a Barbie instead of an Oppenheimer
That said, i still think 85M would be fine lol
Really dislike this idea of being disappointed everytime a movie doesn´t blow up way harder than expected, which is what happened here, this is an exception
Given what the trades were saying earlier in the week, I think they would have been more than fine with $85M. Would have still been enough for all the "PIXAR IS BACK" headlines. It getting an additional $70M on top of that is pure gravy for the news outlets.
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21 minutes ago, ThomasNicole said:
A+ CS doesn’t seem impossible … A is safer tho. Anyway, very strong audience score
Out of the gate, Inside Out 2 is 4 1/2 stars with Thursday preview audiences on Screen Engine/Comscore’s PostTrak with 57% general audience, 23% parents and 21% kids under 12. Parents gave it fives stars and kids 4 1/2, the latter being girl heavy at 52%, and parents being mom heavy at 73%. Overall definite recommend is 72%.
It seems like a safe A, but I think A+ is probably out of reach here. Coco and Incredibles 2 were the last Pixar movies to hit A+, and those were a bit higher for definite recommend at 79% and 83%. Even Moana hit 79% and that was still an A. 72% is closer to Encanto (70%), Elemental (68%), Toy Story 4 (75%), and curiously Frozen 2 (71%).
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THIRTEEN! I'm curious about what the IM will be for this one, but I assume this is skewing a fair bit more adult.
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Reviews seem good here, certainly not where the first film was... but literally no other mainstream animated movie since has quite been able to get there, even if some of them come close. And it's certainly not bad enough to hurt the movie in any meaningful way.
I will say, seeing Pixar movies score in the 80% range on RT always throws me. It's usually either 90%+ or somewhere in the 70% range.
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2 hours ago, Mojoguy said:
Should Pixar be worried about DM4 hunting IO2's legs. It's crazy we are getting a repeat of 2015 when Inside Out faced a Minions movie. Imagine how much more IO2 would be doing if it wasn't facing another potential billion dollar hit in DM4.
I think the bigger concern is internationally where some markets only have two weeks in between. I don't think the legs will be hurt all that badly though. There's a three week clearance between both domestically, which is plenty of time for soft second and third weekend drops. The Pixar movies with weaker legs tended to only have 2 weeks before an Illumination film, and also didn't have the same glowing reception that Inside Out 2 looks to be getting.
Two week headstart before Illumination:
- Lightyear (2.34x - I'm still shocked by how low this is)
- Cars 3 (2.85x)
- Monsters University (3.26x)
Three week headstart before Illumination:
- Finding Dory (3.60x)
- Inside Out (3.94x)
- Toy Story 3 (3.76x)
I think Monsters University is a good baseline target for legs here, but I think Finding Dory/Toy Story 4 is probably more likely here.
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9 hours ago, charlie Jatinder said:
Pixar films aren't doing well in Canada on Thursday previews. Donno why. Lightyear and Elemental, both did eh in Canada on previews.
I have to wonder if Pixar films just generally underindex in Canada. Toy Story 4 did $434M domestic, but it only grossed $27.2M in Canada, which is fine, although that's below Aquaman ($31.5M), Aladdin ($29.6M), Far From Home ($35.3M), and Joker ($39.1M), and none of those crossed $400M domestic.
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1 hour ago, AniNate said:
Studios have really tightened the screws the last year on letting out any reaction short of an uncritically glowing blurb ready for a TV spot before their embargo lifts.
All you really need is one glowing blurb now. Then you can quote it 3-4 times in the same 30 second ad by splicing a few words at a time. I can already see the ad being made from EmpireCity's tweet:
"On June 14, watch the movie people have been calling"
"FANTASTIC" - @EmpireCityBO
"...the very best Pixar has ever done" - @EmpireCityBO
"People are going to fall in love with this movie" - @EmpireCityBO
"Disney and Pixar's Inside Out 2"
"onlyintheatersjunefourteen"
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13 minutes ago, Block-Busted said:
So is there any hopeful sign for this film's critical reception even if it's just an anecdotal one?
I mean, could go either way. No real hopeful signs, but also nothing in particular to indicate that this is going to be a trainwreck. The late embargo doesn't really mean anything now considering the last three Disney films that did this all got 80%+ on RT.
This is their first sequel in 5 years, and their last sequel has reviewed better than everything that's come out since. Take that as you may.
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I guess presales and tracking, while solid enough, probably aren't quite where Disney wants them to be.
Doesn't seem to be a ton of new footage from this trailer. More of a HEY PLEASE WATCH OUR MOVIE ITS OUT NEXT FRIDAY.
Edit: Maybe not, Apes just did the same thing last month, although this one's a lot shorter.
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32 minutes ago, Speedorito said:
The Secret Life of Pets 2 if I’m not mistaken. First one opened to 104.4M, second one opened to 46.7M.
I guess that would be for pre-pandemic. Post pandemic opens a whole treasure trove of movies for very understandable reasons: Sing, Puss in Boots, Boss Baby... heck even Minions: The Rise of Gru opened a bit lower than the first film even if ended up passing it domestically.
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I doubt $80M-$85M is actually going to stick come opening weekend. I'm probably committing some sort of fallacy here, but no Pixar film in the last 15 years has actually opened smack in the range of tracking. They've all either over- or underperformed tracking on opening weekend by a fairly sizeable margin. Granted, most of the underperformers are from 2019 onward, but three of those had lesser prospects and had early reception working against them.
I think Inside Out 2 has good odds to overperform. If it doesn't, well then we'll just watch Deadpool and Despicable Me blow up in July.
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1 hour ago, Youngstar said:
they have done this with all their movies so far this year. I just think they are really burned from last year, so they don't want to risk it. (Because they were clearly more confident internally with some of those movies and it ended up backfiring)
I did just notice that. The First Omen, Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes, and now Young Woman and the Sea all basically had the same embargo that Inside Out 2 is having and they all did pretty well in terms of reviews.
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2 hours ago, Mojoguy said:
Honestly, I just want to see what it was like in the recording booth at the 49 second mark.
I feel like it's been a while since a Pixar or WDAS film has gotten this much cross promotional advertising.
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On the topic of the animation supposedly looking weaker, I do have to wonder how much of has to do with it with the final product actually looking weaker.
There's still some bits that probably aren't quite finished yet, with the opening bit with the conch shell being an indicator that stuff might still be in the works since that looks quite a bit better in the teaser than it did in the announcement video from February. I've seen some mentions about 2 looking less detailed, but I wanna chalk that up to poor compression since the trailer looks quite a bit better on Disney+ than it does on YouTube or Twitter.
I think the thing that's throwing me off the most is the change in aspect ratio. I probably wouldn't have batted an eye if it had stayed consistent between both films.
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1 minute ago, WittyUsername said:
You think this will have the characters get into a fight right before the third act like every other animated Disney movie?
Definitely. There's even more people tagging along this time, and it's not like Disney and Pixar sequels are particularly renowned for having wildly original plots.
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I thought for a moment they were gonna go full Frozen 2 with the teaser but this does seem like a safer way to market the sequel.
This has huge potential though. I might be extremely bullish on this but I think this can do $150M+ over the 5-day. I'd go higher but we haven't had a film open above $100M over Thanksgiving, and the highest that any film has done over Thanksgiving is $125M. If there's any movies that would smash these records though it would be this next set of WDAS sequels.
Curious to see how this does alongside Wicked. This has a greater reach, but if the core overlapping demos make a commitment to see both over the 5 days (or 6 considering how early previews start now) then we're in for a big Thanksgiving feast.
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11 minutes ago, toutvabien said:
Wakanda Forever got a veryyy nice 3rd weekend hold over Thanksgiving 2 years ago as well! Think that would be a good slot for Moana, but I guess keeping it over Thanskgiving does give a chance at some big 5-day headlines. I think it can still hit $100m over the Holiday even with Wicked (actual 3-day just sub $70m, lower than what Moana 1 adjusts to). But if it doesn't, well, we'd know they ate from each other's numbers.
I think ideally Disney would want November 22 (that Friday did wonders for Catching Fire and Frozen 2), although Gladiator 2 already staked that out and doesn't seem to be budging.
I think Disney wants to be as close as possible to Thanksgiving though, not just because of the big flashy 5-day headlines that Moana 2, Zootopia 2, and Frozen 3 would break or approach records for, but also because of the potential to play throughout Christmas. They've squandered that opportunity in recent years with Encanto's deeply abridged theatrical window followed by Strange World and Wish being flaccid performers from opening day. But pre-pandemic showed the potential. At worst you still had the likes of The Good Dinosaur and Ralph Breaks the Internet being able to squeak past milestones at the end of their runs, and at best you had Frozen becoming a monster at the box office during the holidays and running unopposed in terms of family animation until February. Then there's the likes of Moana and Frozen 2 which were still healthy performers leading up to and during the holidays even while new releases were playing
You could make a point for Wakanda Forever, but IMO that film got lucky because a) Thanksgiving 2022 was a flopfest and b) Avatar and Puss in Boots were the only Christmas releases that made a dent. Moana 2 doesn't have the same luxuries for opening in early November, and most early November releases are usually done by Christmas.
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20 minutes ago, cannastop said:
yeah that's what I keep saying. Disney doesn't blink. They'll always always want the Father's Day weekend slot, and the Thanksgiving slot.
the March slot can be somewhat flexible though.
As for Elemental, its release date was just fine. Dunno if you'd want it in July or something. And August is out of the question.
The only time in the recent past where I see Disney strayed from the Father's Day slot was 2019 with Toy Story 4... not sure why that happened. Did they want to avoid the Men in Black movie or SLOP 2's second weekend?
Father's Day weekend used to a happenstance for Pixar and not a set target. They've been taking the third Friday of June since 2013 with Monsters University (also June 21 and not on Father's Day weekend). If Inside Out 2 followed suit it would have also taken the 21st, but it's actually deviating a bit to the second Friday of June (the first Pixar movie to do that since Cars). I think they bumped it to the 14th to give more space between it and Despicable Me 4, because every time Disney tried to put a movie out 2 weeks before an Illumination film their legs have suffered greatly (see Monsters University and Cars 3). They seem more committed to Father's Day weekend now than they were pre-pandemic though, seeing as Elio is slated for June 13 next year.
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35 minutes ago, kayumanggi said:
Oh I see what they did there. Pretty bold of them to not put the title though. Disney usually reserves that for the really big ones.
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18 minutes ago, TwoMisfits said:
Right, but that was b/c it wasn't a kid draw - from Deadline - "67% of the audience between 13-24. 18-24 year olds showed up at a massive 48%" Aka, its demo was more a horror movie draw than an animated one. Minions was even more skewed, but that's kinda what it was...it overperformed b/c it was a high school/college hit!
I think kids' draws just aren't what they used to be. It's been a hot minute we had an animated movie that actually opened well ($50M+) and predominantly skewed towards families and younger children. Sure we've had big hits, but they've all skewed older: Mario was 62% 18-34/33% 18-24, Spider-Verse was at 61%/40%, and Minions hit 34% with the 13-17 crowd. Even a disaster like Lightyear hit 61% for the 18-34 crowd on opening weekend (although that had its own controversies).
Like sure, if a movie is going to open over $100M then there's going to be some level of 4 quadrant appeal, but Frozen 2 opened higher than all of these except for Mario and that film's audience was 70% families. Even the likes of the first Inside Out and Moana had 71% and 72% of their audience be families.
I'm sure Inside Out 2, Despicable Me 4, and Moana 2 are going to be big hits, but I think these are going to have to skew a bit older if they really want to blow up (moreso for Inside Out 2 than the other two).
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I feel like positive reactions from Pixar screenings at CinemaCon are almost a given at this point, so Inside Out 2 having good reactions from CinemaCon isn't particularly surprising nor exciting IMO.
I have a feeling this and Moana 2 are going to be better than the last 2 years of movie output from WDAS and Pixar though. Not that I think it's much of a bar to clear (Elemental notwithstanding), but I do have hope for this, even if they both almost certainly won't be as good as the first Inside Out and Moana. Although it could just be Disney doing a far better job at selling their sequels than their originals...
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4 minutes ago, titanic2187 said:
Now he has controlled two major commodities of the world. Chocolate and spice.
I was gonna say something along the lines of chocolate spiced lattes but spicy chocolate lattes already exist. I feel there was a missed opportunity to do some cross promo with Wonka and Dune since they're both WBD, but I guess the popcorn bucket was already weird enough. Still need to get one of those for myself.
As an aside, Dune: Part Two was fantastic. I saw it on Thursday and it gets better the more I think about it. I think Arrival is still going to remain my favourite Villeneuve movie, but it's great to see it doing well.
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7 minutes ago, wildphantom said:
Trailers I had in my IMAX showing….
Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes
Godzilla x Kong
Furiosa
Quiet Place: Day One
The Fall Guy
I had this plus Ghostbusters and Civil War... so pretty much everything on the IMAX website through the end of June save for Inside Out 2.
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Inside Out 2 | June 14, 2024 | Pixar does it again!
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Also, I saw this last night. Didn't feel like waiting two months like I did with the original.
Very much enjoyed this one. It felt like a natural progression of what happened in the first movie with its own things to say even if a lot of the story beats are very very similar. The emotional moments don't hit as hard, but that's fine. I didn't need to be caught ugly crying in a full theatre. Didn't (or does) help that the emotional moments got undermined by the fly buzzing in front of the projector or the random guy who started snoring in the second half, but oh well.
At least it made for a memorable experience. Apparently the theatre I went to might be shutting down in a few years for condo redevelopment, so might as well go when I can (and feel like it).