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Alexandros

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  1. Yeah this video is just incredible. I love all the small audio cues from each movie's music theme.
  2. A staggered re-release schedule and Disney holding some actual results back to time the announcement with SDCC. We knew a couple of weeks back from people reporting box office results from their countries that Disney was not updating the totals properly. They didn't make money appear out of thin air, they simply delayed reporting of the real number.
  3. I saw Campea's show and he agrees that adjusting for inflation is silly so my guess is that he put up the poll to get more clicks and attention.
  4. Wow, I didn't know that Avatar had sold so few tickets compared to Titanic and Endgame. That's fascinating.
  5. Yeah. I find spreading that sort of misinformation, just so you can feel better about your prediction not coming true, to be in really bad taste and really rather embarrassing. Thank you very much for your input Charlie, I appreciate it.
  6. Thank you very much for the reply! I'm out of reactions for today so I'm doing it the old-fashioned way:
  7. @Charlie Jatinder If you have the time I would appreciate your box office expertise on something. On another forum (Resetera) the news of Endgame passing Avatar was prefaced by the following disclaimer on fudging. Would you mind sharing your opinion on it? SPOILER: A PRIMER FOR THIS WEEKEND ON FUDGING On this weekend, I want to take a second to stop and talk about the reality of Box Office numbers. Box Office numbers aren't a hard science. There's no agency that verifies or ensures that Box Office numbers reported by companies are completely accurate. In truth, a company can often manipulate numbers a bit to give themselves an advantage for a movie trying to cross a major milestone by moving ticket sales or revenue from one movie to another. This is a term called fudging. A company will shift dollars around to give a movie a monetary bump to cross a specific milestone. It's a hard thing to see, follow, and much less prove, but sometimes it is more obvious than others. As an example, a remarkable thing happened the weekend of June 15-17th, 2018. A Wrinkle In Time jumped 1,551.4% in a single weekend out of the blue. This is what we call a fudge. Disney manipulated the numbers and shuffled some money from another movie into the reported income for A Wrinkle In Time. The reason for this was simple: Get A Wrinkle In Time across the 100m+ threshold, something that would not have happened without the 1.6M fudge weekend. Spectre is another famous example of fudging: Notice how, in March at the end of the run, the per theater average jumps from 252 to suddenly 2.6k then 4.9k then 2.8k. This does not happen naturally. Spectre's numbers were fudged at the end of the life span so that it could reach the 200M domestic milestone. Perhaps the most famous example is The Dark Knight which had an incredible fudge at the end of the lifespan so it could reach 1B internationally: The massive spike you see at the end of the lifespan (6844% increase) and high per theater averages is WB pushing the Dark Knight over the line. Box Office Mojo wrote a great article on this: https://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=2551&p=.htm Another good example is Black Panther which had a similar increase of +1,395% in its final weekend. Black Panther's jump was similar to A Wrinkle In Time, boosting the movie at the very end by moving money around to get Black Panther over the 700M line, something that would not have happened without Disney fudging. You may notice that there is indeed a pattern here with Disney, movies close to major milestones, and this practice of fudging. Disney is not alone in doing this, but they are certainly one of the more egregious practitioners of it. Beyond simply insanely large % increases from one week to the next, fudging can also be seen when studios lose lots of theaters, suddenly report more actuals (actual income for a movie) than the estimated gross for that weekend, and more. Would you be shocked to learn that Disney is fudging the numbers for Endgame's final run as it closes to the the title of #1 grossing movie of all time? Within the past two weeks, Endgame has lost roughly 25% of their overall theater count, which is a massive hit to any movie's box office numbers. Endgame, though, only reported a decrease that weekend of 32.5%, which for a movie, is practically unheard of. This would be because the numbers are not, unfortunately, accurate. Additionally, Disney has been using the tactic of fudging the international numbers particularly heavy, going from 1.1M internationally one weekend to suddenly jumping to 5.0M weekend* the next weekend with no re-releases or countries added is a clear indicator that the numbers are this point for Endgame are no longer accurate. (*The method of this is slightly more complex and best left to others in the thread to break down.) This isn't to mention the 3M in additional international gross that was randomly found on a Monday after previously reporting a weekend gross of 1M. None of this is to say that Endgame's initial opening weekend is anything short of spectacular, or that the box office run wasn't impressive, or that Endgame doesn't deserve to be the top grossing film all time. Box Office numbers are a fickle thing. There's rarely a smoking gun for fudging like this, but as the saying goes, where there's enough smoke, there's fire. When the numbers involved come from some of the best accountants in the world and a company that has shown a propensity for fudging in the past, good luck finding the truth. If you're wondering if Endgame really did beat Avatar, the truth is we'll never really know, but we can certainly can draw a reasonable conclusion. In reality, it is likely that Endgame would have beat Avatar, fudge or not. There was enough weekend over weekend for it to gross enough to put it over the top, but it would have taken longer for it to cross that finish line (a few more weeks at least). Disney, though, wanted to time the announcement with their Comic-Con panel last night that Endgame had crossed the threshold, so the numbers were fudged to make sure that it would have enough gross for them to make the announcement at the panel. At the end of the day, it doesn't really matter which movie is number one. Both movies are owned by Disney, and there really is no reason why anyone should care beyond intense corporate loyalty. However, if you're wondering why people this week will be suggesting that, at least for now, Endgame is #1* with an asterisk, the reason is fudging.
  8. And there it is! Finally official! It is as beautiful as I expected it to be, the rightful king takes the throne!
  9. Endgame's position at the top is absolutely deserved. Sticking the landing after a beloved series of films or television seasons is one of the most difficult tasks for the creative minds behind them. After Infinity War, hype and expectations were through the roof and disappointment from the final film in the series was always a likely scenario. The fact that Endgame managed to somehow surpass all expectations and close the book on the Infinity Saga in such a wholesome and satisfying way is nothing short of a miracle.
  10. What a magnificent achievement, congratulations to Marvel Studios and Kevin Feige for achieving this almost untouchable milestone. As someone who read a lot of comics as a kid, it warms my heart seeing Endgame at the top.
  11. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Disney is holding on to the international actuals in order to announce the milestone on Saturday at SDCC. It's the perfect moment.
  12. Those huge drops that people are expecting, will it be because of a drastic theater count reduction?
  13. Ah, so you are one of the First Ones? One of those that stayed behind to guide the younger box office races while the others went beyond the Rim? On a more serious note, I registered on the site barely a month ago and I just copied Thanos' quote as it was. I indeed don't know who you are and I certainly didn't mean any disrespect, you have my sincere apologies if it came out like that.
  14. Little one, it's a simple calculus. The box office is finite, its numbers finite. If this thread is left unchecked, this thread will cease to exist. It needs correction. That was the last one, I promise. Back to the numbers.
  15. I'm curious about this too, mainly because Shang-Chi will be part of the next Avengers lineup.
  16. So this begs the question: does the franchise have potential for even more growth? The numbers it's been achieving with these last few releases are impressive, but can it go even higher?
  17. Impeccable timing by Disney, unless of course they've been holding on to parts of the box office gross from previous weeks in order to make the announcement on Saturday. In any case, the next king of the box office is a few days away from sitting on the throne.
  18. Man, I'd love to be in that hall in such a case. It's going to be one hell of a party.
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