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2 minutes ago, Jonwo said:
You're clearly naive.....
Sure. If that makes you sleep at better at night.
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3 minutes ago, Jonwo said:
I don't think you can make Marvel or Star Wars on the cheap without a noticeable dissolution of quality and cutting WDAS and Pixar budgets would see backlash. People go on about Illumination and SPA but in the case of the latter, the stories about the work conditions is a sign that cutting budgets isn't always a good thing.
The Creator looked great and it was 80MM. What cost Marvel and Star Wars a lot of money is reshoot and actor/director premium pay. And probably cocaine and prostitutes for the execs.
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1 minute ago, Arlborn said:
A hell of a reach considering the actual quote you took this idea from:
There were 5 writers, each one of them probably with their own version of the script, and one of those 5 versions of the script had women leading the movie and "life lessons". And as the quote has said from the start, Feige pulled the plug on it, just as he did on the other versions of it.
Nobody has even mentioned patriarchy here, you are literally pulling things out of your own head there.
My biggest takeaway here regarding Blade is that they hired Logan's writer and that plus the budget indicates it will be R-rated, which is great, that's what every Blade movie should be.
That was actually a joke, but I wouldn't be surprised if "life lessons" included that.
If they really are making all these changes you can thank Ali as he was about to walk out of the clownshow.
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5 minutes ago, YM! said:
Though I think Disney problems are easy to fix (guys calling out problems isn’t the same as saying Disney and/or Marvel are permanently dead or they’ll never recover) and Iger is doing the steps necessary and is the best guy to fix them, a lot of Disney’s current problems stem from Iger.
Pixar and WDAS never really had a quality problem outside of Lightyear and Stranger World and are slowly regaining their audience due to Iger’s greed for the Plus diluting the theatrical experience (not just Chapek as Iger approved Soul going to the Plus directly instead of pushing back), the remakes ran out of nostalgia to pimp and it’s too early for the 2010s animation to be as effective and tbh I think if they tried Pixar - Docter would openly fight it, 20th Century being used as streaming fodder outside of Apes and Avatar instead of being used for theatrical exploits was a bad idea, Marvel and SW had output upped when it’s clear they couldn’t handle it even before Chapek. (23 projects in two years timespan even with pandemic wasn’t sustainable, even with Marvel as gives Feige less time to work on thing, it will almost always dilute quality of the projects due to deadlines in place and gives the audience less time with the heroes to make accommodations). Chapek may have started the fire but Iger had the box of matches out in the open.
One thing they should do is get the budget under control. Every Marvel/Star Wars/Disney Live Action/WDAS/Pixar film is 200MM+. Meanwhile other studios have some animated gems with less than half the budget. I really don't know why the budget for these films are that high. 20th Century is the only one that has had a decent budget for their films sans Avatar and as you mentioned they either have been relegated to streaming fodder or their output has been subpar.
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14 minutes ago, Warmaster506 said:
Blade was going to be more woke pandering?
It was going to teach us about the dangers of the patriarchy.
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3 minutes ago, SpiderByte said:
I mean I don't see the point in complaining about a draft of Blade the article explicitly says is not being used. If it's bad...then it's good that they're doing something else.
Complaining or not it needs to be talked about.
Marvel had a script where Blade was going to be about a group of women lecturing Eric and dude was going to be the fourth lead of his own movie.
No wonder Ali was about to walk out.
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12 minutes ago, Dominic Draper said:
Marvel is in shambles right now. That article is pretty scathing of the dysfunction. That Blade script sounds horrendously bad.
The TV series are the crux of the issues. Feige is one man and and its too much content.
Drop them. Get back to basics and just stick with films.
Also retool stuff like Thunderbolts top to bottom or toss it out. That line up of characters is beyond sad.
Agree.
Scrap a lot of this garbage. Hurry up to Secret Wars and reboot. Lessons learned from these past few years. The big about Blade and the TV side is telling.
I wouldn't let Feige slide either. He is the one who greenlit the ending of WV and didn't want Strange there because "the white man telling the woman and blah blah", but in this case it made perfect sense to have him there.
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2 hours ago, cooldude97 said:
i wonder what marvel regrets the most with this multiverse saga
making Kang the overreaching villain or having ant-man beat him
Probably thinking they were untouchable and had the Midas touch no matter what they released.
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10 minutes ago, Bob Train said:
DanielRPK is somehow less credible than Empire. I remember when that guy was babbling on about how Endgame's title was actually Annihilation.
The only thing that dude is reliable on is when trailers are dropping. Everything else he's just guessing.
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Could this open lower than Morbius?
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4 hours ago, SaltyPistola said:
Can you tell us about the two post credits scenes? I really don't believe you've seen the film.
I only saw the one where Rogue puts Captain Marvel in a comma to roaring cheers from the crowd. I high fived someone and left the theater after that, so I may have missed the other one.
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5 hours ago, emoviefan said:
Yep I am a big fan the Ceasar Trilogy but War probably got a little too dark and depressing for the GA and that's why it underperformed. If they lighten up just enough I can see it breaking out in what will be a pretty barren summer.
I don't think that's the reason it underperformed. I think the reason is the marketing was very misleading and the title was very misleading. I know I expected a full out Humans vs Apes war. And while I really enjoyed the movie it was definitely not what I expected.
It also came out sandwiched between Homecoming and Dunkirk, which didn't help.
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4 minutes ago, SpiderByte said:
Why would Mufasa be delayed till Christmas? It's not gonna be affected by the strike at all. It's all but in name an animated movie.
A lot of people here seem to think Marvels basically going to skip 2024. Disney still clearly plans for Deadpool to be released 2024.
While I think it makes 2024 that RT tweet is just sourcing the Deadline article which just mentions that Disney has options to move the movie to July, November, December. We don't know what Disney's plans are. And Marvel wouldn't skip 2024 because BNO is coming out next year.
Skipping a year wouldn't be a bad idea though. Absence makes the heart grow fonder.
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13 minutes ago, Cmasterclay said:
The idea of Thunderbolts being the biggest film of a holiday season is enough to make even the biggest optimists think that all theaters are about to close, so I'm all for holiday Deadpool.
That's true. Thunderbolts is a bomba in the making. For comic aficionados like myself it's missing Norman Osborn and the gender swapped Fakemaster make the movie an automatic pass for me.
9 minutes ago, TwoMisfits said:Thunderbolts can become a D+ exclusive series at 1/4 its planned budget...and Deadpool 3 can have its holiday 2024 slot. Win-win.
They won't do it, but I say cancel it and get the write off. But then again I'm one of those who think Marvel Studios should cancel the majority of their announced projects given the current apathy towards them. Just hurry up to Secret Wars, reboot it and go back to what got you here in the first place.
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Not surprised. They had more than 50% to film to do + reshoots + VFX + Reynolds was just able to adlib/improv because of the writer's strike. That's the correct call.
The original September date or Thunderbolts' December date are the best options.
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2 hours ago, BadOlCatSylvester said:
It's Carpenting time!
Not for kids!
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1 hour ago, Mojoguy said:
Yeah, Deadpool 3 isn't coming out in May 2024, in just 7 months. lol
At this point we should hope it doesn't. They still have quite a bit left to film + post. Not enough time unless we want floating head VFX like Thor 4.
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1 hour ago, emoviefan said:
Yep learn from them Brie keep your mouth shut, and don't piss off the Incels. Pathetic
She is divisive regardless of incels. And the divisiveness start hitting your bottom line that's when you want someone who appeals to everyone. It is what it is.
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37 minutes ago, Madhuvan said:
Marvel blaming Brie rather than themselves is insane and pathetic.
Maybe you forgot to read who said that quote. It did not come from Marvel or anyone associated with them. It's from Joanna Robinson, one of the co authors of the book which has no association with Marvel or Disney. She's not wrong in what she said about Larson though. Love her or hate her she is a divisive figure unlike ScarJo or Lizzie.
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1 hour ago, HummingLemon496 said:
How much do you think Spidey 4 can do OW/DOM/WW if it's good?
Probably 1B+ WW.
That said the Spider-Man milking is getting to high levels. I feel people will get Spidered out at some point between Sony and all their planned live action spinoff movies and tv shows, a probable animated sequel trilogy to spiderverse, MCU Spider-Man, and the video games with a rumored Venom spin off game.
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4 minutes ago, Willowra said:
I'm pretty sure that Cap4 will do twice or thrice of The Marvels. People are interested in CBM only if they think the character is a big character. Marvel studios itself gave impression to the public that Captain Marvel is an irrelevant character by removing her name from the title, why would audience give shit about such a character?
Doubt it, but I guess we'll find out soon enough.
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2 minutes ago, Willowra said:
Then why they're interested in Deadpool, spider-Man, Doctor Strange, Thor and other marvel projects? The reality is people care about big characters and they don't give shit about blue beetle & Shazam type irrelevant characters; Captain Marvel belongs to that category at present and so there is little to no interest in her movie.
We could go in detail for each of them but the main reason is that all of those movies (except DP3 obviously) came out prior to Ant Man 3, She Hulk and Secret Invasion which is where the conversation really took a turn for Marvel in the zeitgeist.
I think if Marvels came out when Thor 4 came out and Thor 4 came out today Marvels would be fine but Thor 4 would bomb. We'll never know though. I may be wrong but I feel a Thor 5 will be a huge drop from Thor 4 because of how bad that one was.
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7 hours ago, ThomasNicole said:
Honestly, unless something insane happens this is clearly opening with 70-ish at most. The first movie have an adjusted opening at +160M, so it’s kinda safe to say it’ll be a huge disappointment. Despite that, a movie this big hardly fail due to one reason alone.
IMO, it’s probably a bunch of factors together:
- making people pay to watch something is harder than ever since pandemic;
- MCU is very obviously in a troubled moment with a lot of uncertainty and too many lesser received projects in a row, which makes people more cynical and demanding towards them;
- weirdos is sadly making their hate agenda against it for years now because they’re just a bunch of racists who hates women:
- the allegedly related projects for streaming like Ms Marvel kinda flopped;
- women seems more interested in other types of representation about them with stories like Barbie;
- the genre itself is saturated and in the classic point where many genres ended up before: people still liked it but they’re not obsessed anymore to watch everything, so a few projects will succeed while a lot more will disappoint simply because general audiences doesn’t care that much anymore.
The name can be a factor as well, but i would bet the reason for the awful presales is probably all above together + the bad timing of dropping sales in the Swift week.
I'm gonna have to disagree with some of your points here.
1. Is it harder? Yes, but COVID only accelerated the transition. This is only a problem when a movie bombs. Plenty of movies have done well since 2020
2. "Weirdos with hate agenda against it for years because they are a bunch of racist who hate women" seem like a copout for the subpar products Marvel has been putting out which in turn have made the audience lose faith on the brand which shows in the financials. The phrase you used doesn't make sense. Seems like you're just spouting stuff for the hell of it. Racist, bigots, misogynist all in a short sentence. Maybe the reason for the flops is because the products have sucked and have not resonating with people as you allude to on your point about women preferring something like Barbie.
3. Ms. Marvel did flop, at least from the viewership numbers that were rumored. I did like part of that show, but other parts were horrible and the VFX sucked
I will agree with the saturated market. I just looked it up and between Venomverse, DC, and Marvel we got in 2022 and in 2023. Probably tracking for a similar number in 2024. People will check out. I know I have and the SH CB fatigue is real to me. I will watch X-Men '97 and Deadpool 3 day 1. The rest maybe streaming at some point or maybe a 20 min summary on Youtube or Twitter. I feel like if Marvel is to turn it around then their BO #s for the foreseeable future (sans DP3) will probably have to be like the Phase 1/2 movies where it'll rely on WOM and have a bigger multiplier.
57 minutes ago, Willowra said:This is flopping hard like the Flash because:
1. A large number of MCU fans hate Captain Marvel. They can't stand this character either because of sexism or because of jealousy, as they are invested in pre-Infinity War characters like Doctor Strange, Wanda, Thor, Spider-Man, etc.
2. People don't care about supporting characters like Blue Beetle and Shazam. There is no perception among GA or even the hardcore fan base that Captain Marvel is a big character; they all consider her a supporting, irrelevent character.
3. The title change was a big mistake. If the title were Captain Marvel 2, at least it would have gotten support from some feminists who liked the first one very much, and it wouldn't have given the public the impression that Marvel has lost faith in this character.
I think in this case apathy is the worst thing. Anecdotally in my circle of friends and friends it used to be non stop love and hype for Marvel to it sucks and I hate it to not even talking about it anymore.
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4 hours ago, eddyxx said:
I think we're headed back to what super hero movies did during the 2000's. When a 50m ow was a success and 90m was bonkers. We might get a few more real huge openings: deadpool3, secret wars if a certain 2 actors return for it , joker 2 might even be a dark horse and maybe the first x-men reboot if they pull it off but the days of super hero movies dominating are behind us.
I don't think McGuire and Garfield will be the main pull for that movie. We've seen them together with Holland on screen before. Not that the movie won't get hyped due to their presence, but Secret Wars will likely open huge regardlesss if they are there or not.
3 hours ago, Bob Train said:I second this. I am expecting Cap 4, Thunderbolts, Aquaman 2, Blade to open in the 50m range.
Only CBM that have a unique style and vibe like Joker 2, Batman 2, and Spider-Verse 3 will be able to pull colossal opening anymore.
The days of CBMs with characters no one cares about pulling huge numbers just because society was on a CBM high are over.
The factory-made/generic style that most Marvel and DC movies have had in the last decade will be the downfall of the genre.
I'll be really surprised if DP 3 does not pull a massive OW with all the rumors around that movie.
The Disney Thread | Iger will be with us until 2026
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You forgot to include Wonder Man, Vision Quest and a few animated shows.