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1 hour ago, Eevin said:
kinda more excited after reading some of the reviews. i’m a big fan of wacky, messy creative departures in the mcu (gotg2 is my favorite of them all) so i think i’m gonna be all over this.
but also, no trademark formula = morbius WOM, thinking 150/300 as of rn
Morbius multiplier off 150 OW would get it to 288 (assuming Morbius makes it to 75MM).
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16 minutes ago, ThomasNicole said:
Reviews seems expected
64 on metacritic with 29 reviews
RT is lagging but shows 86%
Meta should finish with 63-65 and RT the 75-80% everyone expect after reactions
I would like to see better but well, at least is decent and won't hurt the box office like Eternals.
Now Feige should rethink the MCU future, after he started producing 5-6 shows per year along with the movies, the quality is lacking. Off the last 5 movies, 1 had bad reviews and 2 got ok reviews, this is not acceptable.
Phase 4 is definitely hit and miss for me. The ones I disliked I will never watch again and the worst subversion in MCU for me happened in this phase.
Personally I liked Wandavision, Moon Knight, Loki, Shang Chi, NWH
Disliked FaTWS, Black Widow, Eternals
Neutral on Hawkeye, What If
I don't think it has anything to do with scaling up though, but more about scaling out. What I mean by that is straying away from the formula that got them here. By doing both at the same time there'll be some misses. Hopefully they iron it all out.
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46 minutes ago, excel1 said:
And people wonder how Marvel has not had a true misfire yet.
Eternals was undoubtedly a misfire. We can talk about the reasons as to why, but it was panned by critics and it lost money at the BO.
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6 hours ago, AJG said:
Yes and No. Disney own the studio and their IP, but the Fox logos, fanfare, and name are licensed from Murdoch’s Fox. This is also why the logos for Fox News and Fox Business retain the ‘fox searchlights’. This Fox Business logo came about months after the merger (notice the searchlights next to FOX)
Stuff like this isn’t really uncommon. Warner Music Group is a completely separate company from WB/Discovery and they license their brand and logos from them (WMG’s Warner Chappell and Warner Bros Records both recently changed their logo due their license to the WB shield expiring). Universal Music Group license their name and logo from Comcast. The companies named Blackberry, Nokia, and Motorola that are currently producing phones with those brands all license their name and brand from the original (now completely separate) founding corporations.
(I work for and Ad Agency so this is why I know this seemingly unnecessary logo trivia. I’m not weird. I promise.)
Edit (another fun fact. Disney bought Fox Kids operations decades ago. That’s how the US got ABC Family and Europe got Jetix. Now that they’ve bought the rest of 21st Century they still cannot relaunch the Fox Kids brand.)
Again I will ask for a source for this.
It stands to reason that TFCF owned the fanfare, the 20th Century logo, FX logos, Searchlight and so on. Disney's own 2019 10-K and annual report state that
QuoteOn March 20, 2019, the Company acquired the outstanding capital stock of Twenty-First Century Fox, Inc., which was subsequently renamed TFCF Corporation, a diversified global media and entertainment company. Prior to the acquisition, TFCF and a newly-formed subsidiary of TFCF (New Fox) entered into a separation agreement, pursuant to which TFCF transferred to New Fox a portfolio of TFCF’s news, sports and broadcast businesses and certain other assets. TFCF retained all of the assets and liabilities not transferred to New Fox, the most significant of which were the Twentieth Century Fox film and television studios, certain cable networks (primarily FX and National Geographic), TFCF’s international television businesses (including Star) and TFCF’s 30% interest in Hulu LLC (Hulu). Under the terms of the agreement governing the acquisition, the Company will generally phase-out Fox brands by 2024, but has perpetual rights to certain Fox brands, including the Twentieth Century Fox and Fox Searchlight brands.
What you are saying is interesting, if true, but I don't take anything at face value and I would really like to see a source for this. The only evidence I could find points to the opposite of what you are claiming. Common sense and verbiage from the acquisition also leads me to believe that the logos, brands, and fanfares related to the studios and production facilities bought by Disney belongs to them. New FOX (i.e. Rupert's company) retained the FOX Business, FOX Channel and the like.
I must also say that noticing the "searchlight" on the above logo and suggesting that it's the same as the ones from 20th Century Fox and Fox Searchlight is a reach at best. That to me looks like the FOX Business logo that's been kinda like that forever, maybe with a few changes. New FOX retained FOX Business. Apples and oranges.
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Not sure, but potato cam footage always upsets me for some reason.
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I read somewhere the Across the spiderverse has 1000 people working on it. Is this true? First one had a budget of 90MM, but if this has 1000 people on it then the budget will balloon up significantly. Or maybe they are sharing them across both films to keep the budget under control.
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3 hours ago, Issac Newton said:
Yes! It's really appreciating that Disney (Marvel) is still sending print for review.
Despite of what's happening at present, whether it's a re-settle issue of Wuhan Variants or comments made back years back. I firmly believe in Dr. Strange power. I won't lose until it get release ~~
Dr. Strange : "Dormammu (CFA), I’ve come to bargain"
I don't follow China BO as well as some of y'all but I've seen no indication that it'll release in China. Maybe I missed something.
IIRC in the past we'd get a China release date 2 weeks or so before its premiere. Sometimes more. There's no word there. We are now 7 Marvel movies in a row and counting without a China release.
11 hours ago, newbie BO buff said:Is there no hope for DSITMOM?
Or subsequent MCU films for that matter?
There's a gay character, apparently prominent enough where editing is not feasible and the movie got banned in some countries already. That plus the supernatural stuff + the streak of Marvel movies not released in China tells me chances of it happening is pretty low.
Thor is probably not happening as there'll be some gay themes in that movie. Same with The Marvels. BP Wakanda Forever and Ant Man are maybes, but we don't know anything about those movies or if the apparent de facto Marvel ban will have been lifted by then.
3 hours ago, ZeeSoh said:I am happy that Marvel has not backed off just because a regressive overly sensitive neurotic government got their feelings hurt by a few comments which were absolutely true. And I hope Marvel does not back off in the future either
It's easy to say that when it's not your money in play. Though they shouldn't because of the current high debt and low liquidity Marvel and Disney can kinda eat up not getting the ~20-25% gross from a likely 50-100MM BO Gross that Eternals or Shang Chi would have gotten. However something like their regular movies that get to 150MM or 200MM then it becomes a bit harder. Avengers or the inevitable Secret Wars....those would net Disney over 100MM each. It would be fiduciary irresponsible to their shareholders to not release these products there.
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Not sure I understand Sony's rationale with the date. I get the moving due to conspiracy theory below, however sandwiched between Little Mermaid remake, Transformers, and a new Pixar movie seems to be putting the movie in a position to not be as successful as it could be. And then releasing another Spider related movie, even if Live Action, a month later. I'm scratching my head here.
3 hours ago, Thanos Legion said:Crackpot biased conspiracy theory: Morbiflop+ ongoing post-NWH negotiations impacted SSU plans for 2023 and beyond and they felt they needed the two surefire hits of spiderverse to fill the gaps
I don't think this is too far fetched. We know they hadn't sign prior to NWH and Rothman mentioned they had to "ride this puppy and see what happens"
Putting my conspiracy theory hat on. After the success of NWH Sony or Marvel wanted to see how the standalone Morbius would do before signing the extension. With the Morbius bomba Sony decided to move stuff around for their SSU and Animation to guarantee hits next year as Marvel will probably ask for more than the current deal (i.e. 25/75 cofi/profit splitting). They still need to do the ensemble movie before this current deal runs out, but I would think that sometime this year we'll hear if and when they renewed and what the terms were.
3 hours ago, Grebacio said:Wonder if Morbius will be the lowest rated movie with Spiderman characters, or if Kraven/Madame Web can go lower.
It can go lower, certainly. However we don't know if Kraven or Madame Webb will have Spider-Man which will help with the BO, but even with that it can still bomba.
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2 hours ago, YourMother said:
What Mission Impossible 8 will do to Madame Web OW:
As if this movie wasn't already a hard enough sell on its own Sony decided to release it one week after Indy 5 and one week before MI7. At least they'll have two very attractive young women in it to try to gather interest. Or maybe they'll be able to actually get Spider-Man in this movie.
20 minutes ago, RobrtmanAStarWarsReference said:
That would 100% get me to go watch this movie in theaters. Probably the only way I would go too.
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3 minutes ago, ddddeeee said:
Raimi told Spider-Man and Green Goblin's origins in like 25 minutes, and at the same time he introduced several other main characters.
Here he has to introduce Chavez and...that's it. And introducing Chavez involves explaining the multiverse, which is what Wanda is after. The more we hear from this movie the more simple it seems. A chase through the multiverse with a cameo detour along the way.
This couldn't be less of an issue. I bet the movie is still too long.
I don't think it's a spoiler because it's in the 2nd trailer, but just in case
SpoilerHe has to introduce mutants. How much of it remains to be seen. Xavier is there, we know that for sure. That has to be explained. Likely Reed Richards in the Illuminati as well. There are also some rumors on House of M Wanda wiping out mutants and everything else.
With that said, the above can be explained in 25 mins as well.
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1 hour ago, JWR said:
Ascribing social mores to a company is a ridiculous idea in the first place. They're motivated by money not homophobia, even if it lines up with that it's not the determining factor. You can see that by how corporations champion Pride on one hand and censor it on the other depending on the country. I always find the moral handwringing over what corporations do to be really weird.
Corporations are not your friend. They only care about money, and if their values happen to align with yours, all that means is that it's profitable for them. Not to say Disney funding the don't say gay bill isn't reprehensible, but I wasn't expecting any better from them.
The only thing shocking about this saga is how poorly Chapek has navigated through it by saying the quiet part out loud.
Precisely. Corporations are like Mac from Sunny.
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6 hours ago, jedijake said:
$127.83 million OW
$359.11 million domestic
$835.14 million WW
Not sure I agree with all these numbers, but if the trend of Marvel movies not releasing in China continue then I think this, Strange 2, and possibly Panther 2 miss the billie mark.
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Got my tickets for May 5th at 3PM Central, but if this movie is as cameo heavy and hyped as it seems like it'll be then Twitter and Youtube might spoil me again since people will be openly discussing it from May 2nd. I still remember Youtube spoiling me on NWH Spoiler below in case you lived under a rock and haven't watched it
SpoilerAunt May's death
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4 hours ago, dudalb said:
The second week drop was horrendous; one of the worst in film history.
Best case scenario for SONY is they get a minor profit on this.
I'm not sure if the math is there for a profit on this off the BO alone. With VOD/DVD and finagling the accounting to get the capital coming from Netflix/Disney for their streaming deals they can say this made a profit, but the way I'm seeing it this is a bonafide bomba.
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1 minute ago, Lion Roar said:
Well AMC is a disaster. Both the app and website refuses to let me check out. I've been trying to half an hour
Same here. AMC sucks ass.
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Are we expecting this to sell out in minutes or something? I wanna watch it opening weekend, but I don't want to rush to buy tickets
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7 minutes ago, Macleod said:
Where is this evidence that any extension of a deal or even a handshake deal is not signed between SONY and MARVEL/DISNEY? Last I heard from both Feige and Rothman, they seemed pretty darn sure to reiterate to the press that they are *not* planning on letting this kind of drama play out again anytime soon. But anything can happen, I guess...
I can't prove a negative. The burden of proof is rather on proving that the new deal has taken place. Feige, Rothman, Pascal and others all wanted to resign and were enthused about it as of the timing of their interviews in NWH. Chapek and Yoshida can tell them to watch paint dry if they want. Bergman and Vinciquerra can also veto and supersede Feige at Disney and Rothman at Sony. They would actually be the ones to sign the deal not Feige and Rothman.
I'm sure one of the trades will report something if and when that happens. Until then I'll assume things are still being worked on.
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4 hours ago, BestPicturePlutoNash said:
Don't think it changes much. It'd take 3-4 bombas in a row for them to consider changing anything. What I don't see is any of those movies making bank outside of possibly Venom 3. Kraven, Madame Webb....meh. I'm not convinced Quicksilver will make a good Kraven either, but we'll see.
What I do think changes though is the imminent deal that - as far as we know - is not yet signed between Disney and Sony. IMO they were waiting on the outcome of Morbius to see what would happen before signing. Feige mentioned they are planning a college trilogy so if we go by other deals then it would be 3 solo + 3 ensemble (plus the other ensemble that is still to come from the 2019 deal). Because Disney+ is the most important thing at Disney right now and much more important than it was when the last deal was done I'm sure one of the most important things Disney and Marvel Studios want are all Live Action Television rights (currently mostly owned by Sony with Marvel having some veto rights).
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2 hours ago, ImNotRacistAtAll said:
If Disney had a theatrical lineup like this, every year, would it be overkill? Or to much? Same thing
As a Disney fan, it boggles me how much of a pathetic studio Lucasfilm is. Hope 2023 is the start of something. I think there should be 2 movies a year. If Marvel Studios can put out 4, they should have 2.
Disney Live-Actions : 2 Per Year
Disney Animations : 2 Per Year
Pixar Animations : 2 Per Year
Marvel Studios : 4 Per Year
LucasFilm : 2 Per Year
20th Century : 3 Per Year
Searchlight Pictures : 3 Per Year
2023
- January 13th (20th Century)
- February 3rd (Marvel Studios)
- February 17th (Searchlight)
- March 3rd (Disney Animation)
- March 24th (Disney Live-Action)
- April 14th (20th Century)
- May 5th (Marvel Studios)
- May 26th (Disney Live-Action)
- June 16th (Pixar Animation)
- July 7th (Marvel Studios)
- July 28th (LucasFilm)
- August 11th (Searchlight)
- September 1st (Pixar Animation)
- October 13th (20th Century)
- November 3rd (Marvel Studios)
- November 24th (Disney Animation)
- December 8th (Searchlight)
- December 22nd (LucasFilm)2024
- January 12th (20th Century)
- February 2nd (Marvel Studios)
- February 16th (Searchlight)
- March 1st (Disney Animation)
- March 22nd (Disney Live-Action)
- April 12th (20th Century)
- May 3rd (Marvel Studios)
- May 24th (LucasFilm)
- June 14th (Pixar Animation)
- July 5th (Marvel Studios)
- July 26th (Disney Live-Action)
- August 9th (Searchlight)
- September 6th (Pixar Animation)
- October 11th (LucasFilm)
- November 1st (Marvel Studios)
- November 22nd (Disney Animation)
- December 6th (Searchlight)
- December 20th (20th Century - Avatar)I will not allow anyone to badmouth Lucasfilm today when they got a deal done to get Ron Gilbert to make another Monkey Island game that's coming out this year. Yes I know it's not a movie and technically separate, but today we should all give Lucasfilm a pass since a miracle has happened.
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23 minutes ago, BestPicturePlutoNash said:
How much is this even looking to finish with WW? 250-300m?
With the budget reportedly as low as it is, 190m is the range or so. But still, Sony isn't making this for penny investments. They want a universe. And with meager profits at best, terrible reviews, and very likely mediocre audience reception.. it's looking like a swing and a miss here
Sony is still predicting a ROIC of 6.8% on SPE for this FY, which includes NWH. The TV side also has higher margins than the movie side. SPE is the lowest ROIC division in the entity and the reason a lot of stockholders want to see them divest it, but Sony will be happy with any type of profit for this movie. The reason the budget is not lower than 75MM is because that is the lowest it has to be as per the contract. To your point they want a universe so they can try and bring that division up to the level of the others. They want their own MCU.
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On 3/29/2022 at 2:51 PM, AnotherDayAnotherDollar said:
O/U 20% RT score when it's all said and done?
Now that we have almost 60 reviews in I feel it's a good time to ask this question again.
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2 minutes ago, AJG said:
29 Rotten
2 Fresh
6.5% RT
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7 hours ago, AJG said:
IIRC Disney licenses the Fox and FX logos, names (even though the FOX name has been removed), and fanfare from Rupert Murdoch's Fox and can't actually use it any way they like (eg slapping it on any film that has nothing to do 20th Century Studios).
I'd be interested in a source for this if you have it.
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DOCTOR STRANGE IN THE MULTIVERSE OF MADNESS | 05.06.2022 | Disney | 4th Most Profitable Movie of 2022
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I enjoyed it. I give it a solid 8/10. Would have been higher if a couple of things that I expected and wanted to happen happened, but since they didn't I lowered the score.
It's definitely not a movie for everyone, so I expect average legs or maybe below average legs (By that I mean Civil War, not Morbius legs). I will watch it a couple of more times and I 100% wanna watch it in 3D.