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2 minutes ago, WittyUsername said:
HBO Max has better variety. The problem is that Disney+ has far more commercially appealing IP’s.
With the way Warner counted HBO Max subs (they include HBO subs from cable) HBO Max and Disney+ were at similar subscriber counts domestically (US and Canada) WBD now reports combined subs for HBO Max and Discovery+ so impossible to know exact sub count for HBO Max currently
However one of the big problems for HBO Max is they haven't launched in markets like Canada, Australia, UK, France, Germany, India, Korea, Japan etc. which are all huge streaming markets and all markets that Disney+ does well in, Disney+ also has a much broader variety in those markets with a lot of adult skewing content like Dopesick, Only Murders, The Kardashians, Prey etc. as well as local/regional originals. The lack of international expansion was always going to limit HBO Max and in the markets they are internationally they have cut down or completely stopped in some cases funding local/regional originals, that is what I believe has truely stopped them from getting to 100m+ subs and competing with the likes of Disney, Amazon and Netflix as a big global player.
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Black Adam - Wednesday 19th (opening day)
67,561 Admissions, $471,609 USD
source: http://koreanfilm.or.kr/eng/news/boxOffice_Daily.jsp?mode=BOXOFFICE_DAILY
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5 hours ago, Warmaster506 said:
Fuck Disney Tomatoes
"Fandango says it’s the latest step to “modernize” Rotten Tomatoes, ever since NBCUniversal’s Fandango acquired the reviews-aggregation site in 2016 from Warner Bros., which retains a 25% stake in Rotten Tomatoes."
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16 minutes ago, cax16 said:
I’ll just watch the movie Thursday and hopefully enjoy myself.
This is the main thing, I enjoyed Jungle Cruise (same Director and Star) even though it got middling reviews.
I'm hopeful I will like Black Adam when I get around to watching it in hopefully a couple of weeks as well. I've seen enough movies that have awesome reviews that I've hated and a bunch with low reviews that I've loved to know that it dissent inform my decision on what to watch.
Also I think DC doesn't see a huge impact from critical response with movies like 2016 Suicide Squad making a bunch of money even with poor reviews, so don't know why everyone seems to be...
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Also Death on the Nile from 20th was released in China.
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34 minutes ago, Menor Reborn said:
Hmm, do we actually have demographic statistics on subscribers to streaming services?
https://nscreenmedia.com/streaming-user-demographics-top-4-services/
Disney+ seems to be pretty white.
That would most likely be outdated there was a significant jump in streaming uses by all age groups from May 2021 to May 2022:
Here is a year end breakdown for subscription video (Online Subscription) year end 2021 in the THEME report by MPAA that also shows Whites under index:
source: https://www.mpa-apac.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/MPA-2021-THEME-Report-FINAL.pdf
In terms of breaking down the original article I posted, there was another statistic of traditional TV viewership:
3 hours ago, Potiki said:The White population actually under index compared to every other demographic in terms of streaming.
source: https://www.nielsen.com/insights/2022/lets-talk-about-streaming-and-engaging-the-latino-audience/
Using the statistics from both graphs above and converting Hours into minutes:
US total population is (1454/56) x 34.8 = 903.557143
Hispanic population is (925/43.1) x 43.6 = 935.730858
Historically the Black population has over indexed in television viewership, although take it with a massive grain of salt because this data is outdated:
But Live TV+Shifted TV (Cable+Broadcast) was 5.5-6 hours for Black audiences in 2018/2019 vs. roughly 4 hours for White audiences if that split stayed similar over these last few years would mean Black audiences stream more minutes per month also.
Asian audiences are the one who are probably below White audiences in streaming viewership but they are also the audiences most hesitant to return to cinemas (so that would imply streaming usage and theatrical attendance correlate or at worst are a non-impact):
source: https://www.mpa-apac.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/MPA-2021-THEME-Report-FINAL.pdf
Hopefully that will change though and titles like Raya and the Last Dragon, Shang-Chi and Turning Red that seem to actively target Asian-American (mainly East and SouthEast) seems to be working:
QuoteDisney’s Turning Red, which was originally released direct to consumers in the U.S. on Disney+, highlights both the power of representational content and co-viewing. The family-friendly movie about a young girl coming of age struck a chord with AANHPI audiences of all ages. The movie was among the most streamed titles in first-quarter 20221, and drew a multigenerational Asian audience far exceeding the average audience
Source: https://www.nielsen.com/insights/2022/for-aanhpi-audiences-streaming-brings-families-together/
Sorry for the wall of links, graphs and texts but I think it safe to say in the last year+ with titles like Squid Game, Encanto, Ms. Marvel, The Harder They Fall, Reservation Dogs plus many many more I'm likely forgetting that demographics have probably gotten more diverse.
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34 minutes ago, TwoMisfits said:
But this graphic isn't technically "who watches movies on tv vs at the movies", it's "how do folks watch their tv"...and of course, whites would overindex with cable over streaming b/c they overindex by age, and the older you are, the more likely you're still using cable and vice versa...
I think minorities over index in both theatrical and home viewership, I was more taking exception with the original post by @M37 that stated White people are by far the largest share of streaming subscriptions and thus that is the reason they are the weakest movie going demographic when that isn't is the case and that statistics don't back that up.
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5 hours ago, M37 said:
I expect Puss in Boots will do well for similar demo reasons as Minions and Sonic. Strange World, however …
To be blunt: as long as studios are trying to chase white, suburban, middle class families, especially with younger kids, they’re going to fall short, as that is by far the largest share of streaming subscriptions, where the theatrical family market is weakest. Gotta be able to draw in teens - with or without their parents - and/or non-white families. That’s where demand is still strong
The White population actually under index compared to every other demographic in terms of streaming.
source: https://www.nielsen.com/insights/2022/lets-talk-about-streaming-and-engaging-the-latino-audience/
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8 hours ago, hw64 said:
This isn't a matter of personal opinion, though. The lists of the highest-grossing films are heavily stacked in favor of new releases — 15 of the top 20 highest-grossing films, both domestically and worldwide, are from 2015 onwards, with 18 of the top 20 highest-grossing films worldwide being from 2010 onwards (20 out of 20 if not for the two James Cameron mega-anomalies). It is indisputable that ticket price inflation (and market expansion for global grosses) far outstrips any declines in cinematic attendance in the mature markets, at least for the biggest blockbusters.
And if you're talking about post-pandemic to pre-pandemic, we've just had the unadjusted 3rd highest-grossing movie of all time domestically and the unadjusted 5th highest-grossing movie of all time domestically within the span of about 6 months, so I don't think there's any real argument that can be made — again, at least for the biggest blockbusters — that movies today are at a disadvantage in relation to their unadjusted grosses compared to pre-pandemic movies, or that they're on an equal footing. For the biggest blockbusters, the huge post-pandemic ticket price inflation simply outstrips any declines in general moviegoing attendance, which big blockbusters are largely insulated from, anyway.
To paraphrase you "this isn't a matter of opinion the lists of highest grossing films adjusted for inflation are heavily stacked to films released before 1980 if not earlier."
I see where you are coming from but if I was a stickler for inflation adjusted grosses nothing in the last 30 years outside of Titanic, Avengers: Endgame, Avatar and The Force Awakens would have been impressive and even then they would have been way less impressive than they are. For example using only the original release of Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs at $66.6m in todays numbers (according to an inflation calculator I found online so grain of salt) is $1.4B, The Force Awakens is $1.17B and Snow White isn't even the most impressive film from the era and made plenty more money on rereleases. None of this takes into account the change of market conditions in the 80 or so years between the 2 releases.
There is probably a middle ground somewhere but adjusted for inflation isn't everything for me, if it is for you that's awesome don't let me try and change your mind
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8 minutes ago, WittyUsername said:
I never said that. I’m saying that if inflation is that severe, then that, on top of the fact that most movies nowadays essentially have one or two extra days counted in their OW gross, means there’s not much of a point in getting excited about this stuff, because it’s so heavily skewed compared to how things were just three years ago.
Once more, the last thing I’ll say is this; WF won’t beat TGM, and since the first one apparently equals $840 million in today’s dollars, that means a massive drop in attendance was always inevitable, which would go to show how much moviegoing has taken a hit.
This happens every now and again, there is a major change in society/technology and film attendance declines. COVID/shortening of windows/streaming has had an impact which has been partially offset by raising prices both through inflation and more PLF both in terms of higher % of blockbusters and more movies making use of those formats.
Cinema has always been a changing medium, before TV people used to go to the cinema to see news footage rather than just read (newspapers) or listen (radio) and back then attendance was weekly for a large portion of the population, in 2019 people went on average I think 3 times a year (might be off a little)
If inflation is bothering you just what until you see what Titanic, Star Wars or Gone with the Wind would have made in 2022 numbers, inflation is a fine tool to compare things but doesn't take into account changing consumer habits which for me personally the 2 offset each other for the most part.
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43 minutes ago, CJohn said:
Are Black Panther and Avatar gonna open in France?
We don't know yet (although don't know if they have threatened to not show Avatar the way they have BP yet), I believe Disney and CNC are having talks but probably depends on if any major changes are made to windowing for SVOD to make it more attractive for Disney to guarantee a release.
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34 minutes ago, IronJimbo said:
what country? I have to assume domestic
It got extended in New Zealand as well until at least next Tuesday.
However it loses PLF screens on Thursday and goes down to one 3D regular screen showing a day so don't expect it to make nearly as much as in the first 2 weeks.
edit: just looked up the theatre I used to go to fairly regularly in Australia and it has been extended there as well through at least Wednesday 12th of October, 2 screenings a day in 4DX.
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Avatar 1 seems to have been extended here in NZ as well now has listing through the next week (Tuesday) although they lost PLF at least at my local, now only 1 showing of standard 3D from Thursday onwards.
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Damn a year already, very much looking forward to season 2!
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Avatar Sep 22
9,772 admissions/ 24,081 total
$112,377/$276,519 total
9.11% market revenue share.
Sorry I can’t do a screenshot on my phone and the Kobiz website makes it difficult to take a screenshot of what I want on mobile.
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Interview with the GOAT.
Around the 17:30 minute mark if you want to hear about what Iger thinks about the challenges of theatrical going forward.
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1 minute ago, Mojoguy said:
No one cares about covid anymore. Biden just announced that the pandemic is over.
Animated movies can still explode as we saw with Minions 2 this summer and also Sing 2.
Raya was premire acress and theaters. Encanto made $96m DOM/$230M ww, but I blame that on Disney stupidly announcing before the release that it was coming out on D+ after 30 days, which really kneecapped its boxofice run. Tons of families stayed home after hearing that news I imagine. If Disney does that for Strange World...
I think a lot of box office success recently is from sequels (which both the successes you mention are) as they are a known quantity that people are willing to part money with to see, a lot of original films are not doing nearly as well.
I imagine Inside Out 2 will do significantly better than any of the other Pixar/WDAS films released in the next 2 or so years but that will take some time to see.
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“The amount of ancillary value a movie makes is almost twice what it was five years ago,” said Blum in an interview excerpted on the latest episode of the Variety podcast “Strictly Business” (at the 28:36 mark), which also features a Summit interview with Disney’s Kareem Daniel. “So if I have a movie that makes $100 million, the amount of money I’m going to make from all the ancillaries is almost equivalent to a movie that five years ago would have been $200 million.”
The rearrangement of release windows also helps producers by not requiring that studios do separate promotional campaigns for theatrical release and home video anymore. “We have not increased or the studios haven’t increased how much they spend on marketing,” said Prakash, who knows the studio side well from his days at Universal Pictures. “So not only you’re getting that return, you’ve added windows that are earlier, that don’t require extra marketing. And so you’ve got no real increase in the cost side, you’ve got much more revenue coming in.”
Blum noted that those who focus only on the box office returns are missing the point. “Even though what gets written about is, ‘This movie only did $30 [million], it would have done $60 [million].’ But actually, the movie that just did $30 will ultimately make us more money than the one that did $60 five years ago.”
Blum and Prakash also discuss on the podcast their ambitions to move the streaming business away from the cost-plus model in order to share in the upside on content they produce, as well as Blumhouse’s efforts to match the success it has experienced with films like “The Black Phone” and “Get Out” on the budding TV side of its business.
Source: https://variety.com/2022/biz/news/jason-blum-films-profitable-streaming-1235378422/amp/
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48 minutes ago, interiorgatordecorator said:
avatar?
source: http://kobiz.or.kr/eng/news/boxOffice_Daily.jsp?mode=BOXOFFICE_DAILY
Yesterday (the 21st) it had 14.3K admissions and 11% market revenue share which seems solid.
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Possible inadvertent call back to the prequels
SpoilerEpisode 3 really heats up, seems like a strong episode to finish with both in terms of action and setting up where the series is headed.
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First episode was solid, nothing super enticing but seems like it will be a slow burn and can understand why they released a few episodes as it seems like it will take a bit to get into everything that is happening.
Loved the music and Cassian's Droid
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Episode 2 starts off with a bang
SpoilerHaving the tribe being an indigenous population who's planet becomes a mining sector hits hard, I love that they are doing that! It will for sure piss off certain YouTubers though not that that is a bad thing, in fact it is probably a good thing.
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Episodes are live! The Rebellion starts again.
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Surprised no one has posted in a while, Confidential Assignment 2 is another local sequel that is doing great it really is the year of the sequel but even more so for Korea.
Here are the latest weekly numbers:
Top Gun Maverick continues to make money and Aladdin had a rerelease locally that said they only had about a 1% market revenue share for the week.
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1 minute ago, Babylon XXR said:
This is in reference to Avatar and not A2 but as the de facto Avatar thread....
It is crazy to me that after Titanic and selling the domestic rights to Paramount, they didn't learn their mistake and almost let Cameron shop Avatar to another studio (Disney was the forerunner funnily enough if I remember correctly) only for those 2 films to be the highest grossing films of their time.
Luckily and it seems like everyone is just staying out of the way and letting Cameron do what he wants here in NZ for the sequels.
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The Warner Bros. Thread | Will NOT merge with Paramount...capitalism is still terrible
in Box Office Discussion
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For ~70% of the Disney+ subscriber base (Canada, APAC, Europe and Africa) that is kind of already the case, all the Disney produced Hulu originals and most froth library content is on Disney+ as Hulu doesn't exist outside of the US and Japan (Japan is just the brand name Hulu though and not affiliated with Disney anymore)