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1 minute ago, Cmasterclay said:
This is not remotely "nearly done." There's a distinct lack of credibility from the sources being cited. Please read the Deadline article below. Makes it clear that it isn't all over at all and that the talks are done for today. Deadline isn't reliable in and of itself but certainly more reliable than what is being tweeted. Could it end this weekend? Sure. But what is described below is the furthest thing from "imminent."
https://deadline.com/2023/10/actors-strike-weekend-talks-deal-hope-1235585553/
Okay fine dude, if you are right we'll see in about 3 days then!
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7 minutes ago, Derpity said:
Please, come on be serious, he was definitely NOT right last time. He reported a deal was done when it was definitely not done, and days before it was actually done.
If it only took them 2 days more to actually sign the contract, then I'm sorry but I do believe that they already had a deal in principle by then even if it was not legally written and signed lol
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5 minutes ago, misterpepp said:
Yeah it's being an exact WGA replay.
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1 minute ago, Bob Train said:
Don't wanna jump the gun as complications are always possible, but...
That was quick.
The biggest hang-up was always the residual thing. Everything else seemed fairly easy to resolve tbh
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Just now, Ryan Reynolds said:
remember all the false alarms before wga deal actually happened
To be fair all those false alarms started like 2 or 3 days before the deal happened so either way it's good news to be getting alarms now.
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10 minutes ago, Porthos said:
Strikes tend to happen when folks are upset about compensation they are receiving, would be the counter-point.
I'm not discounting (labor) "war weariness"/financial hardships. I just don't think one should count it as a fait accompli that the IATSE won't be in a position to even consider a strike.
I think they'll consider it but idk man, I really don't think they'll have the savings to do a strike even half as prolonged as the one that SAG and the WGA did.
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2 minutes ago, Porthos said:
... Yes?
If AMPTP lowballs them in the hopes that the public is sick and tired of all the labor strife or that workers in the Hollywood ecosystem are just too exhausted/not have enough money stockpiled to weather another shutdown approx next August, then I think the AMPTP will be more than a little disappointed at the reaction.
Maaaaaaaaybe if IATSE's contract expired earlier in the year. Say February or March. But its end date is July 31st, 2024. More than enough time for the background situation to reset.
Eh. With what I've heard of how much they've been hurting financially I think that hurt is not exactly gonna be fixed by August.
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8 minutes ago, Cmasterclay said:
Lots of weird misinformation in this thread now. The idea of SAG rank and file as some selfish group that wants crew members to suffer is particularly insidious. That's not how solidarity between working class people works. SAG not caving helps other working unions.
In a way, it does, but in another way it truly doesn't. You think IATSE will be in any position to strike next year?
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45 minutes ago, Porthos said:
You know, I admit to being grumpy last night, but I do want to caution something.
For all of the people who "just want this to end" and not drag into next year (and I'm right there with you), there is one thing worse than talks collapsing right now and the strike dragging into next Jan.
It's if SAG Leadership takes a deal now... and it is rejected by the rank and file. If that happens, and it has happened during more than one labor strike that has lasted longer than the current SAG one, then it is possible, given the egos involved (this is Hollywood after all) this shit all blows up and it drags on out to Feb or March or April next year.
In Hollywood?
Also idk I'm not getting the sense that there's a large extremist contingent of SAG lol Even that letter last night was extremely, extremely vague and not exactly screaming "GIVE US THAT REVENUE SHARING FROM THE STUDIOS!!!".
They weren't explicitly asking for anything in particular, and it does lead me to believe that they'd probably take what Duncan and Fran end up considering a "fair deal" unless it's a god-awful one which at this point I really, really doubt it'd be. The strike has had enough of an effect I do expect that if a deal gets made it'd be one where the studios conceded enough to declare it a victory.
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5 minutes ago, joselowe said:
Agree with you 100%, the majority of actors who are complaining about the strike going on too long are rich actors like Ryan Reynolds who just want to promote their projects so the films don't flop since most big actors have been signing deals lately guaranteeing them percentages of the box office gross.
The majority of the SAG members aren't rich and streaming has screwed them over big time. Getting this over with isn't going to help those actors, for example Netflix recently removed a ton of classic black shows off the app due to lawsuits from the actors not getting any royalties on the streaming apps including Monique, and Countess Vaughn the star of the 90s show The Parkers although many of these types of shows have been successful on Netflix. If they let streaming revenue go, the majority of SAG members basically striked for nothing!
I mean if you're complaining about removing shows to avoid paying residuals, this doesn't exactly solve that issue. The studios will still be able to remove shows as they please.
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8 minutes ago, WittyUsername said:
If the strike bleeds into next year then surely Gavin Newsom will have to intervene at that point?
What can he even do
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11 minutes ago, YM! said:
I hope everything next year gets pushed back and everything this quarter bombs. Fuck those greedy ass CEOs.
Surprised Iger could afford this move tbh. If Marvels and Wish bomb, Disney loses its bargaining power with theaters and it's chokehold on dates.
The CEOs are gonna be the least affected. They're still gonna be living in their mansion in the end. If this drags on to January the true people that'll be screwed are the working people. All Iger, Sarandos, Zaslav, etc might need is a expensive trip to the bahamas to lick their wounds.
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1 hour ago, Cmasterclay said:
God this thread has turned into a unholy union of bizarre psuedo-misogyny and anti-union misinformation. It's like EmpireCity made a bunch of alt accounts. I think that we all want a deal to get done and of course some compromise will be needed, and that's fair to discuss. But the gleeful bashing of Fran rooted in rumors just feels weird my guys.
She pretty much confirmed the rumors.
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15 minutes ago, Porthos said:
Who said she had political ambitions???
(not even gonna comment on the "SAG should just give up and settle" stuff that has been leaking into this thread the last few days)
The revenue sharing thing is something they should 100% give up on. Everything else keep fighting it since I think they can eventually get.
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5 minutes ago, WittyUsername said:
Is it reasonable at this point to say that the WGA conducted themselves better than SAG is doing?
Yes. 100%
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9 hours ago, filmlover said:
Cause Crabtree-Ireland isn't famous like Drescher is. The bigger the name, the easier the target is how it usually works.
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Killers of the Flower Moon is a theatrical flop. Maybe it's strategic on Apple's part as a loss leader to get a reputation amongst creatives in the film industry, but "loss leader" still means "loss".
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13 minutes ago, Jonwo said:
SAG leadership rejecting the Clooney proposal is one thing but I do think they've shot themselves in the foot with their Halloween guidance.
I think both of them combined makes them look mega embarrassing and loses a lot of their credibility.
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3 minutes ago, Cmasterclay said:
Well, I wouldn't be too quick to reguritate the EmpireCity "Fran and Duncan!" language about SAG without being privy to the negotiations or what the issues were tbh.
Clooney himself made public what their proposals were.
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14 minutes ago, Cmasterclay said:
It is both fully possible that SAG demands are totally reasonable because the actors deserve a fair pay structure to compensate them for the fruits that their hard work and labor produces, and that studios cannot afford it because the fruits ("viewers") no longer produce any actual money for them under streaming and its insane economic model. Almost like it's a pandora's box and there is no easy way to fix it!
And why they need creative solutions like the one Clooney proposed and SAG seemingly spat upon.
WGA/SAGAFTRA Strike Discussion Thread | SAG Ratifies Contract
in The Speakeasy
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"possible main account" lol Jesus Christ.
Also, Sneider was a trade reporter and he's broken a ton of big stories in the past. And Sneider never said the deal was already done, he said that the basic frame works were already agreed upon and they're gonna spend the next couple days hashing out the details, hence a deal is "imminent".