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Just now, MovieMan89 said:
I mean technically the legal language could be what’s full of loopholes that would make them go back, but they certainly sound positive in their statement at least.
If that was a possibility I think they wouldn't have made the statement.
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Just now, SpiderByte said:
Okay so we still have a vote to send it to be voted on...ugh
It's all formalities at this point. It's the same thing as when the president wins and then the electoral college has to confirm it. No big deal.
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2 minutes ago, SpiderByte said:
I feel like they'll at least have a statement of some kind.
"The WGA and AMPTP met for bargaining Sunday and will meet again on Tuesday."
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Would be funny if they dropped the deal announcement literally the second that Yom Kippur starts.
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Just now, Porthos said:
TELE'S LAW REMAINS UNDEFEATED!
(unfortunately)
There is a good chance the whole "Best and Final offer" thing might really have just been trade dramatization to get more clicks.
I also read that in the US "Best and Final offer" is typically used as just a technical term to refer to a deal that includes all the points previously agreed on negotiation. Dunno how true that is. -
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1 minute ago, MovieMan89 said:
And who’s to say it really is a good offer yet. I maintain the studios can have this go on for months yet without really feeling effects, so who’s to say they’re not banking on desperate measures from WGA to take a crappy deal.
I mean we'll see if it's a crappy deal or not soon enough.
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4 minutes ago, Porthos said:
But that's exactly why it's adversarial!
I mean yeah you're right on that but I was making a separe point there. My initial point was more about... what if there isn't even that 5%? Like if the deal is actually a great deal on all fronts all things considered then it doesn't become adversarial anymore. We'll see.
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7 minutes ago, Porthos said:
It's adversarial in that the WGA could be 95 percent of the way there and thinks one or two days more of negotiation will get them over the finish line but the AMPTP says "take it or leave it" in the public press. Like, not the tone you want to be setting here when a long sought goal is allegedly very close.
(also runs contra to the whole "just working on the details" rumors going round the last few hours)
((then again, "the devil is in the details" is a truism for a reason))
(((also also also the WGA rank and file is very suspicious of the AMPTP — with good reason — and this is the exactly sort of language that is likely to raise hackles when Social Trust is Very Low)))
While I don't expect it'd be an actual final, final offer I do think they at the very least mean that if this is not accepted they'll spend another 1 or 2 months doing absolutely nothing and arguing between themselves so I do think that they'll have to decide if that 5% is really worth 1 or 2 months of more writers going broke and more jobs disappearing.
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I mean, to be fair, "best and final offer" is only adversarial if it's not an actual good offer.
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7 minutes ago, Ryan Reynolds said:
UPDATED: The Alliance of Motion Picture and Television Producers sent the Writers Guild of America its best and final offer on Saturday afternoon after four days of intense negotiations to secure a new three-year contract and bring the nearly five-month writers strike to an end.
Industry sources report that a last, best and final offer was sent to WGA negotiators around 5 p.m. PT. Legal representatives for labor and management huddled Saturday in person at AMPTP headquarters in Sherman Oaks. Other key players on both sides monitored events closely but from afar.
https://variety.com/2023/biz/news/writers-strike-wga-amptp-contract-talks-2-1235733340/
Either this is just dramatic posturing for the press, or we are screwed again.
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God they need to get rid of that "honoring sister strikes" BS. Why even make a deal if they're not gonna finish striking? SAG has more than enough leverage without the WGA.
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Writers Guild and Studios Conclude Latest Bargaining Session, More Talks Expected Friday – The Hollywood Reporter
"As of press time, neither the AMPTP nor the WGA had commented on the talks or announced a new date for bargaining. However, The Hollywood Reporter understands the two sides are expected to meet again on Friday, with four top Hollywood executives also in attendance." -
The thing is that settling the WGA strike does pave the way to how to resolve some of the biggest SAG AFTRA problems. Residuals alone would be a gigantic step that'd actually speed along things ridiculously quickly.
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Just now, Plain Old Tele said:
Okay, I give up. Clearly EC has an incredible group of friends connected with corporate lawyers, execs, junior paralegals, and PF Chang’s delivery people.
Believe what you wish.
It's not really far fetched to me at all to think he'd be friends with a couple of assholes that he could've met at a party in Las Vegas at one of the thousand Cinemacon's he's probably attended, yes. I genuinely don't think that getting to be friends with some of these people is as big as deal as it seems or that special when running in the circles EC seems to run into.
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3 minutes ago, Plain Old Tele said:
How would the exec schmuck know? These “leaks” have all been designed to fracture the WGA membership just like what happened in all the other strikes. It’s not literally the AMPTP crew babbling at large to all their friends and buddies.There are often dozens of corporate lawyers, staffers and all types of people in these types of negotiations, it's ridiculously easy for something to leak out especially within studio people who have been leaking stuff all over the place for the last few months. It isn't literally just the CEO's, Carol and the WGA leaders sitting in a dark room. And even from them it can literally be as simple as someone like idk, Zaslav texting his CFO, and then his CFO texting the heads of the divisions, and then the heads of the divisions gossiping, etc.
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1 minute ago, Plain Old Tele said:
Because these are closed negotiations! Do you think Bob Iger sends out memos daily to everyone in his studio empire?
What gets leaked to the press is all *anyone* knows unless they’re literally within the absolute inner circle of Iger, Serandos, etc or on the WGA negotiating committee. And even with that, ultimately it comes down to whether the WGA agrees, and even beyond that, whether their membership ratifies.
I know various showrunners within the WGA… that doesn’t mean I have some secret source to insider info anymore than he does.
Oh come on lmao. You and I have both seen how over the last couple months there's been leaks all over the place, mostly coming from the studio side, around negotiations. The idea that some exec schmuck would gossip about them to his pals and then his pals proceed to gossip them to other people does not seem far fetched with me at all, in fact it seems perfectly in character for them and the way they've been handling things.
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18 minutes ago, Cmasterclay said:
I think it's also worth noting that even if a tentative deal is worked out tonight that we can't say that it is in the bag - remember, the DGA deal is going to be a cautionary tale about the dangers of ratifying too soon. Lots has to happen between a joint press statement of a tentative deal and the actual signing of a full deal with terms that ends the strike. And that's just the WGA.
I gotta say I've yet to see /that/ many DGA members unhappy with the deal they got on their own merits. It's mostly WGA-DGA members that were unhappy with it because they wanted the DGA to strike in solidarity. But even Nolan, who supported the WGA strike from day one and supports the SAG AFTRA strike, says he thinks the DGA deal was a good one.
WGA/SAGAFTRA Strike Discussion Thread | SAG Ratifies Contract
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It's probably their own lawyers making what remains of the contract, hence why they're so confident about it.