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SAG leadership is screwed now lol Their supposed unity is now broken. They could've used this proposal to their advantage but instead it seems they scoffed at it. Now the studios smell blood in the water and they'll pounce on it.
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2 minutes ago, Porthos said:
Don't know how many times some of us have to say this, but good thing to remember to treat *ANY* proposed deal points mentioned in the press as being either explicitly or implicitly biased in favor of the AMPTP given how much they're using the press and how much the various guilds aren't.
I won't flat out call it propaganda (I'll leave that to @Plain Old Tele 👍), but...
Folks. Maybe treat these stories with some healthy skepticism?
Got other things I could say here, but I'll try to hold off of them for now.
Just noting that even the more neutral-ish outlets out there (and The Wrap isn't one of them) are gonna be fed info by people with An Agenda.
It lines up with what SAG themselves has said, even if SAG disputes it as "it was 57 cents actually" which is still a stupid ask. I'd agree if this point in particular hadn't been basically confirmed by Fran and Duncan.
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Inside the Breakdown of SAG-AFTRA and Studio Talks (thewrap.com)
QuoteThe guild had returned to the negotiating room at SAG headquarters in West Hollywood with a new ask: Instead of demanding a 1% levy on all streaming revenue, the guild was demanding a flat $1 per subscriber, per year fee.
This was an unusual first-dollar revenue share regardless of profit or any individual contributions to the success of any show, much less a company. The money would go to the guild itself rather than individual actors on any show — and the union would decide how to distribute.
Absolutely insane that SAG thought the AMPTP would even entertain this when nothing even remotely similar was offered to any of the other guilds. They're 100% gonna need to back down that demand.
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I think this will be over by Thanksgiving.
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50 minutes ago, grim22 said:
They only lifted it for the late night shows and talk shows. Normal staffing only resumed after ratification.
Dick Wolf’s NBC, CBS Shows Reopen Writers Rooms – The Hollywood Reporter
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That is 100% wrong lol-
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27 minutes ago, grim22 said:
Read the actual contract - it only applied to pre-strike contracts. New contract work only started post ratification
The new contract stuff could only start post the ratification work last week.
... which would still mean that actors would return back to the sets they were filming in, just like how a bunch of writer's room reopened immediately after the WGA lifted.
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Just now, grim22 said:
Even if a contract is agreed upon, it still takes 2 weeks for ratification and only then can everyone return to work. So the earliest acting work can begin if a contract happens this week will be almost November 1, and this includes things like promotions. I'm guessing things will be worked out within the next couple of weeks and all actors will be back around Thanksgiving just in time for Hollywood to go on a 6 week vacation till the new year.
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Did you forget the fact that the WGA lifted the strike before the ratification and literally 2 days after they agreed upon the deal? SAG is likely to follow.-
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I think that the WGA not getting a residual model/revenue sharing model even remotely close to what SAG was asking pretty much dooms the entire negotiation process. It's gonna be really, really tricky to resolve.-
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37 minutes ago, Cappoedameron said:
Pretty sure this is the same guy that said the Writers strike wasn't going well near the end. Sounds like an AMPTP shill tbh.
There was 1 day were there was a bump, but no one said that it wasn't definitively gonna end lol
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Knew these talks would be hard.-
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3 minutes ago, SpiderByte said:
If Ryan Reynolds Hugh Jackman and Shawn Levy are at football games with Taylor Swift in America, theyre probably gonna need time to fly out to Europe where filming is.
Which only takes about a day.
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3 hours ago, SpiderByte said:
I can't imagine even if the strike ended in two weeks they'd have enough time to start up that fast. Even if the strike ended today they'd still have to physically get everyone to the filming location
I mean... why not? Even if it ends in 2 days, 2 weeks seems like enough time to get everything moving again. It's not like they have to re-hire everyone, the entire crew is just waiting to get called back.
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SAG leadership has been significantly more inflamatory about the CEOs than the WGA so I don't see this going fast at all, but I hope I'm wrong.
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3 hours ago, Water Bottle said:
WGA revealed what they asked for in percentages from the start, what AMPTP offered, and AMPTP met them in the middle. That's how a compromise works and probably what the WGA expected to actually get from the start. WGA was never asking what SAG was largely because they knew they could never get it. Maybe SAG can.
Then the SAG strike won't end as soon as we hope, because the AMPTP will probably offer them something similar to what they offered the WGA.
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24 minutes ago, darkangelfire said:
Especially since sag was pushing for a 2 percent revenue sharing scheme, sag also wanted increases to minimum.s of 11 percent in the first year, wga were only ever asking for 6 percent in the first year.
I hope I am wrong but I dont see this as some quick and easy deal.
Yeah I kinda wouldn't be surprised if SAG is maybe a bit pissed at the WGA right now because in a way they absolutely screwed over SAG's potential residual scheme.
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9 minutes ago, SpiderByte said:
I think it's the latter. Even if the specific issues are different, a lot of the topics involved (residuals, AI concerns) are similar, so I can't imagine any point in posturing over a fight.
It depends a lot on whether SAG will like the residuals model that the WGA and AMPTP came up with.
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I am curious as to how SAG will feel about the residual model agreed by the WGA. Fran Drescher seemed obsessed with getting back the old network television model back and this is quite definitely not that (it's just a bonus per episode if a show gets watched by 20% of the subscriber base) so, will it work out for them? That could cause quite a problem if they don't agree to it as it'd be unfair for writers to have a different residual model from actors.
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Struggling to make sense of what the residual agreement is. It's just a bonus if 20% of the subscriber base watches a show or movie?
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Summary of the 2023 WGA MBA (wgacontract2023.org)
QuotePost-greenlight rooms: The following requirements are triggered depending on the number of episodes ordered, unless a single writer is engaged to write all episodes:
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QuoteEXCLUSIVE: As the WGA leadership and members move forward on the scribes’ tentative agreement with the studios and streamers, the 160,000-strong actors union could be sitting down with the AMPTP within days.
Riding the momentum that has hit Hollywood since the WGA and the Alliance of Motion Picture and Television Producers struck a deal on September 24, SAG-AFTRA leaders have penciled in meetings with the Carol Lombardini-led group by the end of next week, we hear.
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11 minutes ago, Eric the Creator said:
Well like I said, you can ignore AniNate's posts, alongside people on Twitter and other places. As I said before, this isn't productive, isn't leading anywhere fruitful, offers nothing of value to the conversation, and is only forcing this thread to run around in circles. This is your last warning. Continue this, and you will see a 24 hour threadban coming your way. It's your choice if you want to ignore me or not. But if you do want to ignore me, you know the repercussions.
Really bizarre to send a ban threat over this. It's not even remotely "trolling", it's just an honest disagreement. But I'll leave the topic mostly because I've already made my point.
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36 minutes ago, Eric the Creator said:
Moderation
@ChipDerby @21C and everybody who this also does this whole "oh woe is me, why are people so mean specifically to Zaslav" schtick, just stop. We're done with this "why aren't the other CEOs getting singled out" nonsense. If you actually pay attention and read this forum, you would know that other CEOs have also been singled out and criticized. If anything, there's plenty of posters here whose entire personality is "grr Disney bad", and that has been their personality for years now. This weird issue you have over people being mean towards Zaslav specifically does not offer any positive contributions to this forum.
If you don't like the idea of an asshole executive getting called out specifically, an asshole executive whose only contribution to this world is giving us Honey Boo Boo, an asshole executive who is proudly anti-art and took down tons of people's hard works for quick bucks, an asshole executive who encouraged other asshole executives to be anti-art and take down tons of people's hard works for a quick buck, an asshole executive who has a net worth of $400 million, then just ignore these posts, or find another website that suits your fancy. Because this isn't funny anymore.
I wasn't talking about the people that have singled out other execs as well, I was speaking in general terms talking about the dude here in this thread that admitted to singling out Zaslav for some reason, as well as a general trend I've seen on twitter and other places of specifically singling him out. I'm fine with him being called an asshole, I just think it's weird to pretend he is particularly egregious compared to the other assholes. They're CEOs of billion dollar companies, they're all assholes.
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2 hours ago, AniNate said:
Having clear cut villains in the narrative helps drum up support, it doesn't hurt it. Yes, Zaslav isn't the only evil exec but he definitely is one. People don't know what they're standing for if they don't have a focal point to channel their rage at.
He wasn't even the worst one during the strike though, that's why it's stupid to keep singling him out as if the others are any different or better somehow.
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2 hours ago, Jonwo said:
Zaslav wouldn't lose his job over one movie anyway, he's in charge of WBD, not just Warner Bros so if they have growth in other areas then he's not going anytime soon.
Turning Discovery into a giant behemoth that was able to buy WB is also something that his board and shareholders are not gonna forget any time soon.
WGA/SAGAFTRA Strike Discussion Thread | SAG Ratifies Contract
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IATSE won't be asking for a revenue cut of streaming services so they don't have to worry about that.