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It’s not going to get C+ Cinemascore legs domestically. That’s Morbius/Fan4stic levels of bad with 9%-15% RT score. Worst it will do is fall into the same B range as Green Lantern, BVS, and Catwoman with B. Flash only got B with 60%-70% RT cause they spent $200M marketing it as the best superhero film ever, and it wasn’t even the best one released in June 2023. I’d expect Marvels to fall into the same 50-70 range and get B+.

She really shouldn’t be. She was the main character of that Avengers game that flopped. She had her own TV show that flopped. She’s been a lead in a big $200M+ Hollywood movie that flopped. She’s had ample screen time to audiences at this point. She isn’t a draw.

Prime Disney would have been able to threaten them. 2023 100th Anniversary Disney has had a crazy number of bombs this year and holds no power.

Brie on the campaign trail would have probably did more harm than good.

Can’t really blame them given the presales are pointing to a Morbius level disaster opening weekend gross regardless of quality. Peter is still physically present in all the Miles stuff and plays a role. Iron Heart, Shuri Panther, Sam Cap, etc. are just straight replacing the originals cause they’re dead. People don’t like that.

Which is funny cause this is what they did for the comics and it didn’t work there either. So why would they try and repeat it in the first place ?

A Team up movie featuring a bunch of nameless heroes would have flopped. A show featuring a team up of a bunch of nameless heroes would have run into the same problem they’re having now. People don’t want to spend 7 hours watching 7 episodes of their 5/10 show to understand the movies. There’s no way the budget would be anything less than $200M for this hypothetical project.

“This is our chance. Marvel is at its weakest. We can kill the superhero genre forever and usher in a new age of cinema in Hollywood for everyone!” ”Barbie, Mario, and Five Nights at Freddy’s sequels for everyone!”

I can’t believe a Marvel movie bombing at the box office has got people seriously discussing mental health maintenance techniques lol.

She can dry her tears with the tens of millions she made for 2 movies and 5 minutes of screen time in Endgame. Feel bad for the 2 D+ extras that are getting killed off screen in the next movie/show or whatever.

It made $381M domestic instead of $190M and became 10th for the year for disc sales from its September debut alone. https://www.mediaplaynews.com/spider-man-across-the-spider-verse-led-disc-sales-in-september-super-mario-bros-holds-year-to-date-lead/ Google has it as #1 right now as the most searched action movie. Its not going to match the first because the 2’nd was significantly bigger, and It’s too early to have its precise streaming numbers as it hasn’t been a week, but it’s doing fine on the ancillary market.

They aren't good at live action Spider-Man. Amazing Spider-Man 1, 2, Morbius, Venom 1, Venom 2. Doubt Kraven and Madame Web will be any better. Much easier to just let Disney do all the work for them and reap the profits. They will probably only take him back if Disney makes a poorly received film with him, or a flop. They can do that on their own, so the partnership loses all meaning.

Doubt it, but not impossible. Venom did $200M twice during peak Superhero hype with really bad movies. The third will come in well under $200M. Cap 4 will at least do $100M+ domestic (I think). The only variables is whether or not Spider-Man is in it, it’s finally actually good, and whether Thunderbolts bombs or all time bombs.

Splitting IMAX with Oppenheimer December 8th.

This is the way.

Yeah honestly. Look at DC. They’re 0-7. 7 straight flops deep, and still promising more movies. This is only 2 in their last 3 for Marvel. And Deadpool will give them a break before the 3 straight bombs of Cap 4, Thunderbolts, and Blade are released. That’s only 2-5 in their last 7.

Foxmen universe is gone. Sony makes terrible Spider-Man spin offs without Spider-Man (minus Spiderverse). DC is just ashes at this point. There’s nothing for the fandoms to war over. Everyone is failing lol.

There are better video game IP’s to make movies about than Mario and FNAF’s. They won’t make as much as Mario, but there is better lol.

That has nothing to do with being incel nerd. Its just boring lol. Superman literally had the same criticism in the Justice league movie. “What is the point of the Justice League if Superman can beat all of them by himself?”

Give him the Ant army and he solos the council.

Nah it’s too late for that. There’s no way audiences are going to eat up Kang killing Thor after losing to Ant-Man. And the one that got killed by Ant-Man was supposed to be so powerful the other Kang’s banded together to trap him cause they couldn’t kill him or something lol.

It’s not just cause the Marvels is tanking. The whole upcoming slate is cartoonishly bad. Echo, Agatha, Wonder Man, Iron Heart TV Shows. 50+ year old Ali Blade, Bucky, Sam Wilson Movies. If a sequel to a 1.1B MCU movie featuring a preexisting Avenger is doing this bad how bad are the sidekick movies and tv shows they green lighted like they were throwing darts at a board going to do? There’s no way they survive all those bombs.

They’ll miss actually profiting from their movies by then.

A $200M Young Avengers movie centering on Iron Heart, Kate Bishop, Ms. Marvel, America Chavez, Cassie Lang, Kid Loki, Wiccan, and Speed? Sweet Jesus. Would challenge John Carter for biggest bomb of all time lmao.