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10 minutes ago, Zakiyyah6 said:
Depp's fans do not know how to respond to people strictly talking about his box office record outside of Pirates so they keep bringing up how innocent they believe that they think that he is. Never want to stay on topic. I love blocking them on twitter.
Anyway, I keep reading that the film is a "for the fans" heavy on mythology affair and that it's super serious and not good. That is usually a dangerous combo at the box office. If the audience agrees this will will have poor legs in a lot of places worldwide. As always we will see where it is in 3 weeks.
I'm not a Depp fan but I'll defend him. I'm a fan of justice. I don't believe he's box office Poisen but I believe he makes poisonous box office decisions. He's a bit like Ryan Reynolds and I always disagreed that he was box office Poisen. Just like any actor, if you put them in a film people want to see and it's actually good, it will do well
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1 hour ago, filmnerdjamie said:
Depp's been box-office poison for quite some time, which is why the announcement of his casting drew "Seriously?" reactions two years ago. I recall people groaned when he showed up at the end of Fantastic Beasts during my screening.
So they set themselves up for this by hiring him. Then again, he was the focal point of the marketing push (which otherwise had zero hook, following up a quite solid film that people seemed to enjoy). So... yeah it's fair to place some of the blame on his shoulders. But 100? No.
you're assuming a few online posters disagreeing with his casting is partly a reason, you are wrong. I'd say less than 1% of general public avoided this film because of Johnny Depp. most people don't even know about his controversial relationship with Heard and those that do tend to agree he's most likely innocent. this movie was destined to drop, the poor reviews and lack of hype just made it a given. replace Johnny Depp with anyone else and you still get the same result
it's seeing a similar drop to hobbit 2 and Hobbit 2 was actually well received. it was always going to drop
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21 minutes ago, Zakiyyah6 said:
I think people in North America are tired of Depp's schtick so he won't add to FB2 numbers here but I don't think that he will hurt the numbers here either.
exactly. take Depp out and the numbers wouldn't change
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On 11/13/2018 at 5:00 PM, JamesCameronScholar said:
Look at the CGI in the most recent Alita trailer, now imagine that taken up to another level.
the CGI in Alita looked like an animation. I'd hope it was another level
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8 hours ago, Ryan Reynolds said:
Depp
honestly the GA really couldn't care about Depp. blaming him for a drop after poor reviews and far less hype is just counter productive.
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17 minutes ago, FantasticBeasts said:
It shouldn't be difficult to understand though, at the same time, that you reading a bunch of Facebook comments cannot be a credible factor of measuring word of mouth. Maybe the ones you stumbled upon were all negative by luck. Unless you read thousands of comments, and you measured that the negative ones were +80%.
Maybe. as I said I just stumbled across them comments and was surprised so relayed it. every other comment from now on may infact be positive but it all seem to come from people who were fans of the original version of it. I guess the British can be stubborn when it comes to America remaking their shows, look at the office
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12 minutes ago, That One Guy said:
how many of those people went on Facebook/Twitter/any other social media to tweet their reactions?
why are you disregarding it? is it because you don't want to believe that people who have actually seen it wasn't so fond of it? I'm sure people liked it too, I was just relaying the info I saw, I didn't expect all this denial. I tend to look on Facebook comments for all movies and they tend to fall in line with the performance of the movie, for example Infinity War had nothing but positive reaction, Venom was mostly filled with people saying it was fun and now this. the fact they all complained about the same thing made it seem more valid to me but if you guys want to ignore it then go for it
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10 minutes ago, That One Guy said:
My only point was that there isn’t a big enough sample size to judge WOM yet but sure I said that opinions from the UK dont count
why isn't there? I was reading through about 100 comments and I'd say 90% were negative. these are from your average day to day posters and not people involved in the movie industry. that's a pretty big sample, I don't think I'd have it in me to read more opinions
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15 hours ago, That One Guy said:
yes, which is why I said in the US.
So UK WOM isn't as important? despite both countries having very similar taste (UK obviously having slightly better taste 😜)
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On 5/10/2018 at 4:37 PM, John Rambo said:
Watched this one after a long time (4-5 yrs maybe?).
Avatar has amazing visuals and a predictable storyline. Wonder how blu ray version looks
Overall its one of those movies which is overrated critically & commercially!
6/10
no film can be overrated critically and commercially. You're just out of touch with everyone else thats all
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I have this in 3d and watched it a few months back. even to this day no movie has matched the visuals of this film, nor the use of 3d.
it's still entertaining as hell and actually feels like an event when watching it, it deserves to be crowned the highest grossing movie of all time
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5 hours ago, mldardy said:
WOM is not the most powerful form of advertising.
People have computers, cell phones, TV, radios. Those are more powerful than WOM.
WOM is the most powerful form of advertising, it turns movies like Avatar into giants, or lower budget drama into leggy hits. Its literally one of the first things you learn in film/media studies. Not that it's not glaringly obvious anyway.
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31 minutes ago, mldardy said:
Huh? It has a score of 89 on metacritic and 94 on rotten tomatoes and is getting a lot of Oscar buzz. Who gives a shit about social media.
Well WOM is the most powerful form of advertising so I'd say quite a few would care
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1 hour ago, CoolioD1 said:
slow seriously? my problem with it was that it felt rushed. i don't even know anymore.
I just saw an add on Facebook and looked at the comments. Was a lot of negativity
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this is getting terrible WOM on social media, apparently it's too slow and doesn't compare to the original TV series. I didn't realise it had been release nor based on existing material
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19 hours ago, grim22 said:
that's going straight in my basket
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this doesn't look like it will do well
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Infinity War is the only 1 out of the 3 people still talk about. Black Panther was really good, but the more I see it and worse it gets and I find most people now just view it as a pretty good CBM which in hindsight was pretty overrated.
Incredibles 2 I hear no-one talk about, then again I don't hang around with 10 year olds much
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54 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said:
Let's be real Venom would have done 1 billion if it was attached to the MCU. Kevin Feige would have made sure that it's a good movie + acclaimed which would have pushed it to 300 million domestically.
but it already had good WOM so there's not much more they could have done.
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1 hour ago, Napoleon said:
Aquaman has to be well reviewed. If it gets trashed by critics it will be too much drama for me handle. I already have my family members who voted for our Trump. Please WB just pay the critics this time.
your family members are smart people
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On 10/10/2018 at 12:00 AM, dudalb said:
Great Reviews might be possible, but for the box office...I am skeptical about how well the Spideyverse movie will do overall, but it will do well enough to cursh ME opening weeknds, and the huge releases of the week after will destroy it.
spiderverse is definitely doing poorly. There's not many out there that care about an old fashioned cartoon of Spider-Man
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On 10/9/2018 at 11:49 PM, dudalb said:
It says a lot that the only things people remember from the Hobbit movies are the scenes that stick close to the book, and all of Jackson's "improvements" are forgotten.
Yes, the days when PJ's name automatically meant big box office are over. I was among the Jackson fanboys after LOTR, but have found every film since to nowhere near as good, One reason is his bloat;both Kong and the Hobbit movies were simply overlong. It took him freakikng one hour to reach Skull Island in Kong, it took the original 15 minutes.
yet King Kong was a much better movie than Skull Island. matter of fact King Kong was head and shoulders above every other blockbuster in 2005
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On 10/31/2018 at 1:34 PM, CoolEric258 said:
Liam Hemsworth and Adam Devine?
Adam Devine is hilarious. needs to be in more comedies
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13 hours ago, Brainbug said:
14 Movie Franchises that Need to Die — IndieWire Critics Survey
https://www.indiewire.com/2018/11/movie-franchises-that-need-to-die-1202018314/
Cancelling the “Avatar” franchise before it even becomes one would be ideal, but we know that James Cameron’s arrogance won’t allow that to happen. Aside from their ridiculous alleged titles, the prospect of four more movies based on a virtually forgotten blockbuster from 2009 seems more like a director’s refusal to let go than something fans are eager to consume. Surely there are audiences out there that hold this sci-fi version of “Pocahontas” with blue aliens dearly (some might even rewatch their old DVD on occasion), but will they be enough to justify the budget necessary to realize the Oscar-winner’s stubborn dream?
Even if the first sequel flops at the box-office Cameron won’t accept defeat, maybe that’s why production on all four began at once with an estimated budget of over $1 billion. In this trying times for the world, there are certainly better ways to spend such an outrageous amount of money than a vanity project that may or may not be successful. Imagine how many movies like “The Hurt Locker” Kathryn Bigelow could make with that. More often than not less is more.
lol why do people think Avatar is forgotten? is it because it doesn't have sequel and spinoffs being released every year to keep it relevant? without doubt Avatar is the most beloved blockbuster of the last 10 years, how people refuse to believe this is ridiculous.
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Weekend Thread 11/16 - 11/18 - Grindelwald $25.7M Friday, Instant Family at $4.5M Friday
in Numbers and Data
Posted · Edited by Jessie
exactly this. it's looking at a 20% drop on OW
compare that to Hobbit 2 which saw a 14% OW drop despite an improvement in quality and it doesn't seem out of the ordinary.
Both were spin offs from an older beloved franchise and both lack the curiosity factor of this first movie