Eric Prime

Thanks Charlie.

Okay. I got that. But this isn’t the reason Lightyear and Dial of Destiny bombed. That is what I am getting at. I think I’m being very clear here, but whatever.

Well they were going to lose money on these projects even if Disney+ never happened. Most of Disney's current flops were poorly-recieved by fans and critics. And that stings way more than putting it on a streaming service. I know that this whole "streaming bad" thing is your schtick, but would Love and Thunder seriously make a billion if Disney+ never existed? Would Lightyear become this major sensation if Turning Red wasn't on Disney+? Would Haunted Mansion be this giant hit if it came out on October and no streaming service existed? Strange World? Wish? Dial of Destiny? Maybe at most, for some of these, you'd add 100M to their lineup. And that's stretching it. Like I can't imagine Haunted Mansion making as much as it did. You're not gonna excite a lot of people to see movies that have poor reviews and reception. That's the main culprit. And no streaming boogeyman was going to stop these movies from seeing the reception they got. It's no coincidence Disney's biggest, leggiest hits were well-regarded and warmly-recieved features like Guardians 3, Black Panther 2, Elemental, even Little Mermaid. We can argue how much Disney+ hurt their totals, and I know you will, but attendance was already going down even before streaming became a thing. So yeah, I think you're missing the bigger picture here, but go off I guess.

Really, if you want to pin something on Disney's creative misgivings, it's no coincidence things started to falter right around when Alan Horn left the company. He was in charge of Warner Bros.' film studio during its most successful period, then was in charge of Disney Studios during its most successful period. Horn left WB in 2011, when WB began to start going through bad woes, then he left Disney in 2021, which was also around when they went through bad woes, then joined as a consultant at WB again. And wowie zowie, WB just got their highest-grossing film of all time very recently. Basically, the day Alan Horn dies, Hollywood dies.

Although in all seriousness, Disney+ was inevitable, considering these streaming services basically exist as vessels to replace the dying linear/cable TV format. I know some people don't like hearing this, because "grr streaming bad", but it's the truth. And despite some hiccups, it's still set to be profitable in the next couple years anyways. Way more likely compared to most other streaming services. So no, it's not the worst business idea Disney has ever had, especially when most of the issues hurting Disney's film division really stems from the creative process and modern audiences' inability to watch anything that isn't an NTC (n*stalgic t*y c*mmercial). I sincerely doubt most of these mediocrely-reviewed projects would magically become hits once the evil streaming service goes away. Besides, it's been well-documented that Disney's film division has little to no impact on company stock and performance, so like...

Not when Disney's America almost became a thing lol

This is why you need competition. When you stay on the top for too long, you get too complacent.

Quorum Updates Napoleon T-0: 40.08% Awareness Wish T-0: 57.27% The Boy and the Heron T-16: 18.41% Wonka T-23: 58.94% Ferrari T-33: 26.21% Imaginary T-107: 14.09% Arthur the King T-121: 22.27% Renaissance: A Film By Beyonce T-9: 24.77% Awareness Final Awareness: 15% chance of 10M Low Awareness: 11% chance of 10M Aquaman and the Lost Kingdom T-30: 56.59% Awareness T-30 Awareness: 100% chance of 40M, 93% chance of 50M, 71% chance of 60M, 64% chance of 70M, 43% chance of 100M, 7% chance of 200M Low Awareness: 100% chance of 50M, 80% chance of 100M, 20% chance of 200M Migration T-30: 27.12% Awareness T-30 Awareness: 54% chance of 10M, 19% chance of 20M Animation/Family Awareness: 50% chance of 10M

I only care about football when the Eagles play, so I'll just take your word on all this lol

The one thing I am very curious about is Black Friday. I think this is the first time ever football is scheduled for that day, and while it's just the one game, that will probably distract a lot of potential moviegoers and diminish those usual big Friday bumps. Especially when it's not like this weekend's offerings have the sexiest review scores.

WISH (2023) Nothing for Nappy yet.

Darn Frenchies!

We can acknowledge the box office is in the toilet while commending a movie, one with far lower box office expectations for doing well for the kind of movie it is.

Moderation No.

https://deadline.com/2023/11/the-bikeriders-focus-features-tom-hardy-austin-butler-1235634377/ Picked up by Focus Features. Still coming to theaters in 2024

Yep. Same as it ever was for every Thanksgiving.

Well...shit. If Napoleon really does land and Color Purple succeeds, stuff like Holdovers and Poor Things do solid for platform releases...maybe people are finally moving away from NTCs after all.

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