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10 minutes ago, MovieMan89 said:
Which hurts it for awards purposes though.
They submitted only This is Me, but they could have submitted a 2nd one, but they didn't want them to compete with each other.
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Just now, efialtes76 said:
Never enough is amazing too!
Yes! That was a lovely song too. Very powerfully performed and acted.
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4 minutes ago, MovieMan89 said:
Haha, and that was one of the less memorable songs for me. The Greatest Show, The Other Side, and Never Enough were definitely the standouts for me.
That's what makes the film's soundtrack great. Everyone has their favorites and it's not 1 consensus song.
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14 minutes ago, MovieMan89 said:
I wish about 3 Showman songs could get an Oscar nom, but it will probably just be This Is Me. Which definitely isn't my favorite by any stretch.
I think Rewrite the Stars is the best scene in the film and the best song.
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YAY for JUMAJI finally beating TLJ on Monday!
It's a much better film imo. Like other posters said, you could really connect with its characters.
Oh and I loved Greatest Showman too. Flawed yes, but the soundtrack is on fire and it puts you in such a great mood
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AMAZING for Jumaji. It dethroned TLJ.
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Universal will have the 2 biggest #1 and #2 OS hits of the year
FF8 1B OS
DM3 769M OS
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Meh.
Overlong, badly acted, some good and bad scenes, a mix of un-ncessary sub-plot points.
5/10
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I want Jumanji to beat TLJ in one of its dailies ASAP.
Loved that movie and as for TLJ...meh.
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15 minutes ago, Christmas baumer said:
This is so wrong. You can't just pick and choose what markets are more important. Does it really matter all that much if a movie makes 1.5 billion dollars and half of it is domestic? I think you are trying to use this narrative against a film that defies your logic. Sorry but all markets are important and yea China is an emerging market but the fact is studios still get significantly less of a return from China than they do in North America.
Exactly. No one cares if FF8's 1.25B is from DOM or OS. A billion is a billion.
It's no longer about DOM only. And we have several films this year that prove this, including BATB, DM3, FF8, XXX3, Kong and others.
The media, and forums, pay more attention to DOM because these people are from North America, but reality is that OS is just as important, or even more important, than North America.
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11 minutes ago, Sand-omJC said:
This talk of OS for TLJ, and I'm still not sure how 500-600 is a bad # OS.
When movies like BATB and DM3 and FF8 all make 750-1B OS alone, SW8 should be able to at least match BATB/DM3 with 800m OS. Maybe it might, but it looks a bit unlikely.
It's true that SW8 is not as beloved in all regions compared to something like FF8 or DM3, but given how it's huge in Europe, and given TFA made 1B OS, a 20% drop (800m OS) was expected.
So 600m OS for SW8 isn't great.
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One of my favorite blockbuster films of the year. And I did not expect to love it that way.
Genuinely funny and Jack Black was wonderful in it. A great comeback for him.
Planning to see it again.
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13 minutes ago, NoLegMan said:
I just think a lot of your position is hyperbolic you are comparing TLJ to TFA, one is a sequel and the other is the first star wars film in 10 years, which also over performed had some of th3 best legs for a film. Had no competition and had a better calender configuration. This one has played like a SW sequel, they are making profit it may end at 1.3B but it won't be casted as a disappointment, my point is I don't think it's a good metric for this film.
Agree to disagree:)
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6 minutes ago, NoLegMan said:
I just don't think it's a fair comparison, TFA made 2B world wide it's retention rate was expected to be down, it was one of the most successful films of all time and even over performed. I would be more curious about the retention rate for E9.
FF7 made a considerably huge 1.5B too and look at its 2017 retention rate with FF8: an impressive 1.24B (81%).
The reason? It fell hashly domestic (230m vs 350m) but the overseas success (1B OS! for FF8 vs 1.1B OS for FF7) is what made the retention rate that strong. Same with DM3 vs Minions. DM3 fell 21% domestically (which SW8 won't match) but OS helped it achieve this great 89% retention.
In both cases, FF8 and DM3's OS retention was almost close to 93%.
Point is: if the OS audiences supported SW8 and came back for it just as they did with other franchises, we would have been looking at perhaps a 650 + 900 = 1.55B which would have been an acceptable 75% retention for SW8.
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1 minute ago, NoLegMan said:
I was referring to movies you listed, JL won't make more profit than TLJ, the third planet of the apes underperformed, Batman Lego was fine it made a lot of profit, Transformers did as well. You added, did Alien Covenant even make profit?
I originally listed the 3 biggest franchises of 2017
DM3, FF8 and SW8.
The other ones may or may not make profits, but these are smaller franchises (in terms of box office revenues).
True SW8 will make much bigger profits than them, but its audience did not come back for SW8 as much as they came back for DM3 or FF8, which is an alarming sign for future sequels.
Plus am not sure if SW8 will be more proftable than something like DM3 or FF8 (which had lower expenses including marketing) and will probably both beat SW8 overseas along with BATB. Maybe even BATB will be more profitable or on par with SW8, not sure. But the retention rates don't look good.
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6 minutes ago, NoLegMan said:
The difference is most of those films listed didn't make much profit other than Transformers, and SW will make tons of profit, retention rates are nice, but the Drop is a lot like previous star wars sequels. I'm not sure retention rate is a good metric for this.
DM3 vs Minions with 89% retention made huge profits
FF8 vs FF7 with 81% retention made crazy crazy profits
SW8 ws SW7 with 65% retention will make big profits, but its audience retention will look very weak compared to the above franchises which had much lower budgets and may end up being more profitable.
Retention is a very important measure of a future of a franchise - is there an audience for it? Is there a captive recipient or is it falling apart.
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8 hours ago, meriodejaneiro said:
There are other franchises drops in 2017
POTC5 vs POTC4: 795 vs 1045 = 76% retention
Transformers 5 vs TF 4: 605 vs 1104 = 55% retention
Apes 3 (war) vs Apes 2 (down): 490 vs 710 = 69% retention
Lego 2 (batman) vs Lego (movie): 312 vs 469 = 66% retention (i don't even compare it with Ninjago 123M ww)
Alien Covenant vs Prometheus: 240 vs 403 = 59% retention
JL vs BvS: 647 vs 873 = 74% retention
Interesting, thanks!
So if SW8 makes 1.35B, its retention rate will be even lower than JL and BVS.
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If SW8 ends up with 1.35B or 1.375B, it will have a worse retention rate among big franchises worldwide in 2017:
FF8 vs FF7: 1240 vs 1515 = 81% retention
DM3 vs Minions 1033 vs 1159 = 89% retention
SW8 vs SW7 1375 vs 2070 = 65% retention
All these franchises had both 2015 and 2017 releases.
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4 minutes ago, a2knet said:
1350-1400 ww
650 dom + 675 os-china + 50 china = 1375 ww
If this happens, Star Wars will have a worse retention rate among big franchises worldwide in 2017:
FF8 vs FF7: 1240 vs 1515 = 81%
DM3 vs Minions 1033 vs 1159 = 89%
SW8 vs SW7 1375 vs 2070 = 66.4%
All of these were 2015 vs 2017 releases interestingly
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9 minutes ago, Blaze Heatnix said:
Ok, after Monday's numbers, I'm betting on my prediction. 1.3 billion worldwide is where The Last Jedi is going. Not locked by any means. Chances are the overseas numbers are smaller ( if China's numbers are as bad as they're looking to be ).
This will be one of the box office shocks of 2017 no doubt.
Making almost as much as BATB WW and less than Despicable Me 3 and BATB overseas is a surprise.
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To think that Jurassic World will end up with more WW than The Last Jedi WW is also very interesting.
The power of Universal Studios in overseas markets is really evident (Jurassic, Despicable Me, Fast and Furious are monstrous overseas and consistently grab the cash almost in all markets).
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Overheard this casual conversation at the mall today between two mothers:
- So did you guys go see Star wars?
- Uh..no we went to see Jumaji first. Kids wanted to see that. Didn't have time for Star Wars. Jumaji was amazing! What about Star Wars did you see it?
- Yea..didn't like it that much. I guess we'll go see Jumaji too.
- Oh yes it's that good
Here in Dubai, Jumaji is way busier. No one is really caring about Star wars - and the mechandise is barely selling, local toy store has been having the same stuff for over 2 weeks. For me., Jack Black was the real highlight of Jumaji. Kevin Hart also doesn't get enough credit - his last few live-action films all made 100m DOM or close to it.
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Crazy to think Star Wars may only narrowly beat BATB WW if it continues this underperformance.
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My new piece on Awardswatch is live.
I interviewed Window Horses director here in Dubai.
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Top 10 Wins and Fails of 2017 (& 5 Disappointments) l LIST COMPLETE l #1 ON P. 7
in Box Office Discussion
Posted · Edited by MinaTakla
This. It had the 2nd best Domestic Multiplier this year (x3.64) after Wonder Woman (x4) which means reception was surely good in the US.
EDIT: This is among 200+ DOM Friday openers in 2017.
Also it's never about DOM only, it's about worldwide for sure. Domestic is where the media focuses on because these writers are from the states, but what matters is worldwide these days.