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On 12/17/2019 at 4:41 PM, JamesCameronScholar said:
C+ total mess in terms of pacing, I felt like I blacked out and missed segments. Driver carries it despite having a seemingly reduced role. Still my preferred of the Disney Trilogy.
It's definitely the best of the Disney trilogy, but the immense damage inflicted by TLJ cannot be undone. Rogue One was much better though.
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7 hours ago, firedeep said:
You can make better box office predictions (which kind of movies trend to perform better) only when you have a better understanding of the culture, the public voice and how the country works.
I dont see what's your point. You really think propaganda movies are breaking box office records because they are really good...(?)
China box office is big so respect should be given to the government... ridiculous logic. these are two things unrelated. Your post is actually not even worth commenting. I will leave it there.
All states do propaganda, both internally and externally, the Chinese did not invent it. When Trump says that CNN et al is fakes news, he is right. What he wants on the other hand, is that CNN et al does the fake news that suit him. Same goes for any other politician, it's just how the world works unfortunately.
Comparing China to (by comparison) statelets such as Japan or South Korea is disingenuous. China has more than 10 times the population of Japan and almost 30 times the population of South Korea which makes it all the more easier (for the latter) to develop by gaining market share in world trade. Even more importantly, Japan & South Korea have the backing of US/Europe in terms of global trade arrangements, precisely because they are geopolitically useful in containing (ie inhibiting) China. The only comparable country to China in terms of population is India, how does that country compare? The point I was making about the Chinese BO is that China has achieved (in the past 4 decades or so) the most impressive feat of economic development in all of human history, this is an absolute statement of fact. In recent decades the Chinese government has presided over the most astonishing reduction of poverty the world has ever seen. I again emphasize, these are irrefutable facts.
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18 hours ago, firedeep said:
that is true. However, meanwhile millions of Chinese people are willing to pay to watch these movies. After decades, brainwashing has reached the point that most people are used to the CCP narrative, and love the CCP-China, thinking they themselves (and China) can not live without CCP.
It is a clear trend that propaganda films are doing better and better in recent few years. The whole country is fastly turnig left.
Typical western racism of the early 21st century. "Everyone is stupid and brainwashed by their governments, except us."
@Somoset China's economy is currently growing at over 6%, way faster than US/EU/JPN. The CCP has delivered economic growth previously unimaginable in both scale and rapidity. These are undeniable facts.
This being a forum dedicated to the global BO, you should give more respect to China and their government. I remember when buying Screen International in the late 90s (the only publication which at the time gave numbers for the BO, beyond the US/UK) There were two pages devoted to the North American BO, and another two pages devoted to the rest of the world, which included all secondary markets (Japan, UK, France, Germany, Italy, Spain, Scandinavia) Back then, Chinese BO numbers did not exist, because no Chinese BO really existed. Now, a short 2 decades later the Chinese BO is directly comparable to that of North America. Let that sink in.
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2 hours ago, DeeCee said:
Ad Astra is far worse then Interstellar, Gravity, Fury Road, 12 Monkeys, 2001, Apocalypse Now, Arrival, Oblivion, First Man etc etc. I’ve been struggling to think of a film it tries to imitate that it’s better then.
With all due respect. You are gravely mistaken. It's easily better than most of those.
Interstellar: Flawed but epic.
Gravity: Simply awesome
Fury Road: Mediocre and astonishingly overrated
12 Monkeys: Very, very good and intelligent.
2001: Maybe the best film of all time
Apocalypse Now: One of the best ever
Arrival: Interesting and well-crafted, compromised by post-modernist gibberish
Oblivion: Okayish
First Man: The only Ryan Gosling film I could not see through to the end
It's easily better than 6 of those.
And since this is a BO thread, will it open over $20M? What can it do internationally?
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3 hours ago, wildphantom said:
Younger audiences aren’t going to respond to a movie like Ad Astra in the same way. That’s always been true of at least the last generation.
The issue is that older audiences are just not showing up in the same numbers as they used to. Further compounded by internet chatter from said youngsters whom it’s not aimed at purporting this narrative it’s no good.
Older audiences might show up consistently in the coming weeks for it to end up with a solid final gross. Yet we just have to expect most won’t - staying at home like they have been for a long time. Sad as it is. My dad is the same. I’m always complaining to him that he’s part of the problem.
We’ll get the occasional breakout - like OUIH - which will have us proclaim the problem isn’t what it is. Truth be told, that movie did great because that younger audience were interested in it. If you don’t get them in, then you’re not getting close to $100 million.
So the even further cretinization of world cinema is down to the age profile of audiences? It could be. I will look into it.
3 hours ago, RealLyre said:or maybe just MAYBE, Ad Astra isn't anywhere as good as Gravity or Interstellar.
Have you seen it? What is your view? In my opinion, Ad Astra is easily better than Interstellar (which as epic and beautiful as it is at times, has some clunky moments, uneven pacing and cheesy dialogue)
It's more or less as good as Gravity (both quite unconventional in their narrative approach) But Gravity being more economical and more action-focused definitely is an easier sell to the infantile general audience.
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6 hours ago, Cmasterclay said:
Honestly 20m would be a better than expected start for a weird, contemplative sci-fi movie with a late marketing start and little buzz beyond Pitt fans and critical darlings. I think that's good for Ad Astra, idk. I never had very high expectations for the box office, even when people were launching clubs on here. I'm just glad it is a great movie making decent enough money.
First time I saw it on Thursday night, I was thinking that it would be such a great shame if this film tanked at the BO (which due to its nature I thought quite possible) It's a brilliant film, I have already seen it twice. It should be doing Gravity or Interstellar numbers. The GA is mentally retarded, there's nothing else to it.
As for marketing, yes, I was very surprised at how little hype there has been around it. Interstellar & Gravity were aggressively marketed (both are inherently more commercial though)
Let's hope that domestic BO, international BO and then awards buzz can carry this masterpiece to at least break even. Because what the world needs, is more films like Ad Astra and less ITs, less SHs and less cartoons with stupid talking animals.
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I think that many people will agree with my assessment. IW it's just better in every respect: a) Thanos, a great villain, as good as Darth Vader. b) Great action set-pieces where the viewer clearly understands what is going on and with real consequences. c) Great management of several characters. d) Better pacing. e) Better dialogues, script and jokes. f) Much better CGI.
Endgame, even though adequate in itself, feels more like an anti-climax by comparison. I am sure many viewers agree with this evaluation.
Edit: The reduction of Thor into a comic relief cliche doesn't help either.
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5 minutes ago, Brainbug said:
Endgame has also outgrossed Infinity War in 15 Days.
a) It's the saga's finale.
b) It has ridden on the mass enthusiasm and tremendous goodwill bequeathed by Infinity War. Any box-office nerd understands this.
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Endgame is about to dip below Infinity War in terms of daily grosses. Unsurprising as it is a vastly inferior film. I saw IW 4 times at the theater, Endgame, just once.
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Titanic was the most sensational BO run I can ever remember ( especially its WW numbers) It just went so far ahead of what was thought possible at the time. It literally made a mockery of BO records as those were back then.
Endgame is also sensational, not only in its massive global haul, but in that it is the 22nd installment in a franchise that has put to shame all others -> U.N.B.E.L.I.EV.A.B.L.E.
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Just checked all time UK BO. The Last Jedi did in fact outgross Infinity War, and by some margin. Incredible!
In matter of fact, the MCU does not seem to be that popular in the UK as IW is lower down the table than Toy Story 3, BatB, Titanic, Harry Potter finale.
If Endgame is doing this well over there, then this does indeed demonstrate (even further) the unique momentum behind Endgame.
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Where the F are Germany, France, Italy or Spain?
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It's 34 to 35. Absolutely zero chance for Endgame to have increased from Monday.
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3 hours ago, juni78ukr said:
Currently 485.4 mln RUB or $7.53 mln OD.
1.71 mln admissions.
So, average ticket price in Russia is $4.40?
Affordable.
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52 minutes ago, GirafficPark said:
I dont wish to discuss GoT at all. All I want is people to knowledge that actually it might be a huge global event at least equal to Endgame.
Absurd!
Watching Endgame means: a) Money out of your pocket, b) Driving your car/using trains/buses/whatever at more cost, c) Queuing in line, d) Buying over-priced snacks/drinks/popcorn at the theater, e) Sacrificing a large part of your day, f) Finding friends to come with you.
Watching GoT means: downloading a torrent from piratebay or something on your laptop.
On another note, I think that one of the most important records broken by EG, is that of PTA that Return of the Jedi held for 36 years. I would stress that both ROTJ & EG owe the overwhelming enthusiasm of audiences to their magisterial predecessors, The Empire Strikes Back & Infinity War respectively.
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28 minutes ago, Krissykins said:
Audiences seem to be loving it though
Still, it has burned through tons of demand already. I am not saying it will implode from here, but we should wait and see.
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5 minutes ago, filmlover said:
$450M is out of reach for Captain Marvel but it's gonna finish between $430-440M regardless. Fantastic run.
It cannot overtake Age of Ultron then? Still, an incredible run.
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8 minutes ago, Avatree said:
are you an economist?
why do you think inflation will end? the US economy has been inflating since the first use of the dollar, no?
The US Dollar has been inflating ever since it was taken off the gold standard. Unless the gold standard is reintroduced, even Endgame's record is bound to fall in a few years. There's no two ways about it.
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2 minutes ago, fabiopazzo2 said:
Usually SW movies are really strong on Thursday night so i will not shocked if EP9 could beat EG record.
Lol
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3 minutes ago, DeeCee said:
I only just realised Shiori Kutsuna from Deadpool 2 is Australian.
Not New Zealand?
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24 minutes ago, sfran43 said:
Astonishing performance from Captain Marvel as well. The MCU can't put a foot wrong it seems. This film's staying power surely has exceeded any expectations!
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On 4/4/2019 at 4:33 PM, VenomXXR said:
Russia hates us 😓
Idk the real reason lol, but they’re the only market who won’t be involved in the opening week, and they should do about $20m OW.
I think it's because of Orthodox Easter. Even though, EG has opened normally in Greece/Cyprus regardless of Easter.
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1 hour ago, JohnnyGossamer said:
Could it truly do near or over $100M+ Saturday after this true Friday?
1 hour ago, Valonqar said:I slightly prefer IW too but I've seen IW more times so it isn't fair for me to pass the judgement yet. However, preferring one to the other does not create toxic or even mediocre WOM. remember when CM came out and quite a few BOT people were unsure of WOM cause they found the movie mediocre. but that's the thing. unless the movie's so bad that people cannot recommend it, anything from " if you like Marvel, you'll like this" and "it was OK" to "OMG get you ass to the theater now" is going to put butts in seats. and EG WOm is definitely better than CM's and CM developed really strong legs later in its run.
@JohnnyGossamer -> These numbers are effing crazy. I am not sure I can believe them. If they are true, then WOM must be really good. I think that was your point. Right?
@Valonqar I don't think that "it was OK" or anything in that vein can keep this monstrous momentous going. It will need some great WOM in order to break the records everyone is referring to on this thread.
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36 minutes ago, BlueCore said:
It's possible, but given all the scores, WOM, etc., I don't see it's weekend and weekly percentage falling much faster than IWs. It would need a second weekend drop of more than %65 to have the possibility of missing $2.7bn - I think we're safe from that happening
39 minutes ago, Valonqar said:I don't see where massive decline would come from. WOM is amazing, movie's rewatchable and there are people who are waiting for less crowded days/weeks. so it isn't like it'll run out of steam quickly. I think it's gonna have really strong hold for this type of opening.
But is WOM genuinely *that* good? Leaving the theater on Wed night, I was of coursed pleased with the movie, but I felt it just couldn't compare with the awesome Infinity War. My mate agreed. But it could be that it's us in the minority, and those who prefer Endgame to Infinity War are the majority.
My first thoughts after having seen Endgame, was that even though this is the eagerly awaited finale that would inevitably start super massive, the wom could never match that of IW (and hence larger declines at the BO would inevitably be the result) I don't know, maybe it's just me after all.
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If you are going to see only one film released in 2019, then make it Ad Astra.