Emerald kikyou
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Just now, WilliamK99 said:
To be fair, Marvel is a well oiled machine where properties such as Dr Strange and Black Panther are guaranteed pretty big box office openings, could WB take a a C level character like Blue Beetle or Lobo and have a huge opening at this point? Probably not...
What's the fair in that? We are talking about people calling movies with almost 900M WW and 500M+ ww ( still counting ) a financial failures even though there were movies before that did almost the same (with almost the same budget) but are called financial hits. That's what we are talking about here.
Whether DC could take a C level character and gross a lot is still yet to be seen.
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1 minute ago, Agafin said:
The people that wrote The Hollywood Reporter article have insider knowledge that we don't so I'm not sure how you can say with certainty that WB is satisfied by this result or not.
Remember that BvS made $872m WW on a $250m budget yet WB went along to make several changes on its DC plans following its theatrical release showing that they were not totally satified by it.
Not totally satisfied and a failure are two completely different things. People have been exaggerating this whole thing. Iron man 2 had a 200M budget and a WW gross of 600M+ I can give you many examples in the MCU and many other blockbusters having that kind of rate between budget and gross , are they all financial flops? It doesn't make sense. Mark Huges is an insider too why don't you take his story? There is the reported budget too.
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9 minutes ago, a2knet said:
Insane thing is that even if the prod budget was 250, 650 ww is 2.6 times the budget. Since when has that been not enough!
The marketing budget will easily be then stream rolled by auxiliary revenue.
It's a big win even on the rumored budget of 250, and if the budget is close to the reported 175, it's a mega win.
Case closed. End of story.
Exactly , people are exaggerating for some reason.
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@Haley Ross , you're repeating yourself , what you're saying is based on rumors so it's meaningless.I'm not going to repeat myself anymore see
@ UrosepsisFace who also answered you perfectly ,I'm not going to repeat the points he so elegantly posted.
If you like to pretend that those movies are financial flops , go ahead , pretend , just don't use those as facts in a B.O forum.
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2 minutes ago, Haley Ross said:
Everything is relative. The rumor about the budget being $250 million comes the Hollywood Reporter and even earlier last year from Ike Barinholtz himself when he appeared on Howard Stern. No one can confirm that it's bullshit one way or the other. So it's called rumor. Also with BvS, it wasn't just that it barely broke even, there was also the organizational changes that came within the company as well.
A rumor is not a fact so it has nothing to do with our numbers here or the B.O run or the success and failure of a movie. When it becomes a fact then we can use it to prove the movie was a flop.
The changes in the company will happen because they wanted better , if it's a failure you wouldn't have seen Snyder directing JL now. So it's exactly what I called it , an exaggeration, if not even a falsification with all these insane numbers just to barely break even ,Specially when you compare it to many movies in the MCU that were called a financial hit.
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35 minutes ago, eXtacy said:
A lot of Marvels films are profitable in the long run through their sequels, home video and general merchandise. Its about building a franchise which has made them so successful not single box office returns. If DCU cannot start delivering quality then the sequels/franchise will likely suffer further down the line. Matter of fact I don't see either Wonder Women or Justice League reaching the heights of these first films in the universe.
35 minutes ago, Haley Ross said:The only reason why anyone would think SS needs $750 to $800 million to break even is because the rumor is the budget for the the film wasn't $175 million but $250 million. If the budget was indeed only $175 million then financially speaking SS will definitely be a hit. BvS was only considered a financial failure because the studio was looking for the movie to do far more than barely break even.
So basically , what I get from both of you is that all this talk about financial failure is bullshit , because it's either relying on a rumor or over how it made compared to other movies in the genre, which still makes it successful anyways , just not as successful as some would have loved it to be.
Seriously , it's funny. All this talk is just exaggeration on top of exaggeration. When I was looking at the MCU movies gross using the same criteria used with DCU movies , I found out that they had to lose in many movies just to make a couple of profitable ones. Why did they even bother making more?
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If BvS and SS are failures financially too , doesn't that make almost most Marvel movies a financial failure as well? Comparing the budget with the gross , if SS needs something between 700-800 just to break even then all Marvel movies ,excluding the 1b gross, barely broke even or lost a lot of money. Even the X-men franchise would be a financial failure as well ..... so which is it exactly?
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I wonder how much China would have added to Suicide Squad's OS if it opened there , 80M maybe? I'm expecting a 652M WW for SS but I think with china it would have climbed to over 700M WW
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I'm still new to all this Box Office math so excuse me for asking , but what is the least amount SS needs to do on it's second weekend to be considered as having a good hold?
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Looking forward to this movie. I'm going to buy the novel too. Who can give me an advice regarding which to do first , watch the movie or read the novel?
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Liked it just like I liked the first conjuring. I think the CGI could have been better but I loved everything else. The actors , like many already said here , are great.
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Deadpool 6/10
BVS 8/10
Civil War 8/10
X-Men 6.5/10
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I was way off on my CACW opening weekend prediction. I guess I over did it with 215M, but never expected it to go below 190 since it's Avengers 3. But still great B.O
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1 minute ago, moviesRus said:
Chillax dude. lol. They're similar concepts. We get this shit every year, like Mirror Mirror vs Snow White and the Huntsman. Both totally different in tone and story but totally fair to compare!
They are fair to compare while still in their respective context, which most people ignore.
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2 minutes ago, Telemachos said:
You're right, one is grungy grimdark and the other one is rainbow sparkleponies.
That too
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Just now, moviesRus said:
Well yeah, Armageddon and Deep Impact aren't exactly the same either. One's an asteroid and one's a comet!
Any person who knows anything about the difference between the introduction and the climax will understand what I'm talking about , I guess you're not one of them.
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3 hours ago, moviesRus said:
Well if the selling point of one movie is a concept we'd never seen before (superheroes fighting!) but then another movie comes out and does the same concept much better, why not change your rating? The first movie may have gotten you excited just bc the concept was never seen yet.
The two movies are different , just because they have heroes fighting each other does not make them similar movies. BvS is an introduction to a new universe while civil war is the start of a climax or more like the start of a change to an already built universe. BvS is about people meeting each other for the first time while CW is about friends that already know each other. The movies are totally different.
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4 hours ago, Telemachos said:
The first critic that gave AVENGERS a negative review got the usual rape and death threats as well.
Oh no God forbid , Marvel fans are angles, it's only the filthy DC fans
it's only DC that has crazy with no life fans ....
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8 hours ago, Telemachos said:
I'm not gonna watch it again just to see if I read the scene differently, but what I took away from it was Supes was trying to say "Martha Kent" but didn't finish because he was getting his neck crushed.
I agree,that's exactly what I said too , Superman was trying to say her full name since Batman does not know her or know who he is (Clark Kent) he was about to die and his mother will be left with Lex to do with her as he wants. It was like a last wish thing.
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2 hours ago, Kalo said:
Okay, I have read some captain america civil war reviews on IMDB that basically say: Marvel Sucks BvS is way better, and it's obviously they haven't seen the movie, and they have rated like 5 or less films. and gave them all 1s or 10s... why? how could someone be so moronic, to think that by creating multiple accounts and getting there trolls friends to give ratings to a film that haven't even seen just to put it's IMDB grade down a few points? what kind of satisfaction do they get from this?
Lol , it happened with BvS too.People gave it 1 star even before seeing it and Marvel >>>>> DC and all that crap. Crazy fans and the internet ... the most annoying formula.
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8 hours ago, The Futurist said:
I have different answer each time I ask :
are the Sucide Squad worlds and Justice League Worlds linked besides the Batman/Joker connexion or what ?
Thx.
They are in the same universe , but we don't know exactly about the time line. There was a rumor that Lex will make an appearance too. Superman was mentioned in one of the trailers. The big question is , is it after or before the events of Batman v Superman?
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1 minute ago, Jonwo said:
Haven't Marvel treated the X-Men comics poorly despite the fact it's their best selling line. Apart from Wolverine, we've not seen any X-Men in any Marvel related animated series and games either.
I don't really blame WB for focusing on Batman and Superman as that's the best selling superheroes they own, I suspect if Marvel had the rights to X-Men and Spider-Man then they would have taken priority over Iron Man, Thor etc the fact they didn't was actually a good thing.
Need is the mother of invention
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9 minutes ago, Orestes said:
Only because the present is so hilariously lopsided.
The present has only two movies ,I actually loved BvS but disliked MOS. And no , I have no problem with the present ( even when I was disappointed with some things ) and I'm looking forward to what comes next. These characters will outlive directors , writers and proved to stand the test of time. They are the first superheros and I will always care about their past , present and future. Just because I brought the past does not mean I'm hiding from the present no matter how much you'd like to think so
it's only DC that has crazy with no life fans ....
Weekend Actuals (Page 62): Suicide Squad 20.9M | Sausage Party 15.5M | War Dogs 14.7M | Kubo 12.6M | Pete's Dragon 11.3M | Ben Hur 11.2M
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It was as much a MOS2 as CACW was CA3 , both used too many characters and new debuts for it to be a movie about a single character , in other words , no it wasn't.
SS numbers are in no way doing better than deadpool , but it did much better than GOTG in some overseas markets ( where it got in a couple of days what GOTG got in it's entire run ). I believe at the end of the day SS will be so close to GOTG's WW total if not even a little higher if we remove China. You have to remember SS is getting those numbers overseas without the second biggest market being a part of it's gross. GOTG got 96+M from china remove that and it's WW total will be 677M WW , a number that is very much in the reach for SS and it might even out gross it.