Celedhring
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Looks like the Monsterverse will die soon. GvK will imho be another sub-200 DOM, sub 500-WW grosser.
As fun as monster mashes can be, I honestly don't think you can build a blockbuster saga around them. You need strong human protagonists for the GA to relate to so they come back film after film. MCU's greatest asset, imho, has been its ability to build those likeable characters. WB, on the other hand, have failed miserably - or they simply haven't cared - to build those characters across the 3 Monsterverse films.
I know, I know, Transformers, but heck, in that saga at least the creatures could talk. The human element is important even in SFX-driven extravaganzas.
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4 hours ago, Porthos said:
There's every reason to believe that was review bombed, as it was in the 40s before release.
I'm not saying Solo had amazing WOM. It clearly didn't. But that was one of the films targeted by bombing and as such it's audience score isn't very reliable.
I'll go and say that I wasn't expecting much and Solo actually pleasantly surprised me. It was an unecessary movie, and a lot of the fanservice-y thing was really dull and felt like writers just going through a checklist (Han meets chewie! Han wins the Falcon! Han does the Kessel Run!) but they added enough interesting stuff (mainly, Clarke's and Harrelson's characters) that made the film not a complete waste. Can totally see why it bombed though, I'd have skipped it if I wasn't such a Star Wars fan.
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1 hour ago, Charlie Jatinder said:
Disney not giving the sacrifice to boxoffice gods this year and see Endgame is about to miss Avatar. 2020 looks terrible, with 30-50% drop staring in face. God save Disney. @Porthos be strong.
I was thinking just that. It will be a down year for Marvel, plus no Star Wars or Avatar. The drop in BO can be really bad.
Of course there's always breakouts, but right now I'm not seeing anything reaching 500m DOM. Heck, we might even end up without a 400m film either (but I assume something will break out and reach that figure at least).
Heck, I might go and make my first club once the release schedule becomes clearer.
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If you take out what they get from Marvel/Lucasfilm, in the live action side of things Disney has been dropping more bombs than a B-52 this decade. They seemingly can't get anything to work outside those remakes, so it's not surprising they are tripling down on them.
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I can't see where the next 300m+ opener is going to come from (let alone snatching the record) until we accrue quite a few more years of inflation. EG is far from being a "new normal" of any kind regarding blockbusters.
That said, my personal and completely unscientific benchmark for "blockbusterness" is whatever figure makes you almost certain to land in the Top 5 of a given year (obviously some years will be stronger than others), and it's true that 300m doesn't seem to cut it anymore (it won't this year and it hasn't since 2014). The new benchmark since to be around 350-400.
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38 minutes ago, Porthos said:
LEGEND. Pure. Unadulterated. LEGEND.
Thanks for sharing this, I love these "stars being nice to fans when there aren't any cameras around" stories.
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The trailer looks like Sonic wants to give Mario a good challenge as to whom has the worst movie of the two.
Paramount should have invested in a time machine and release this in the 1990s. Both Carrey and Sonic were big, and the CGI would actually look good.
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44 minutes ago, HFFC77 said:
I went to see how many Imax screens in continental Spain and they have only 3 too, I tought there would be alot more, that explains why there were some spanish families on my session, they come to the Ikea and stay to see a movie too, lol
We used to have more, but most of them have closed down throughout the years. The recession made them financial black holes (huge expenses to build/maintain, audiences not willing to pay the premium prices).
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37 minutes ago, peludo said:
The biggest SH film ever is Spider-man with €22.67m. IW did "just" €20.5m.
After this opening I find hard this fails reaching €30m. I am thinking in 32-33 million, at the same level, unadjusted, than ROTK or TFA.
€30m requires slightly better legs than IW, which did just a little under 3x over here. But it would be cool if the SH genre broke the glass ceiling they historically have had here (they do well, just not hugely well).
I just caught a professor at the uni I work for discussing the movie with one of the employees at the cafeteria, which is pretty telling since this a pretty uptight conservative place.
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35 minutes ago, peludo said:
The biggest SH film ever is Spider-man with €22.67m. IW did "just" €20.5m.
After this opening I find hard this fails reaching €30m. I am thinking in 32-33 million, at the same level, unadjusted, than ROTK or TFA.
I really need a better source for historic Spanish BO data. I'm always translating back to euros from BOM and I end up introducing misadjustments even when taking exchange rates of that year into account. What do you use?
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AEG has taken the OW record for Spain too, with €10.2m (previous was Breaking Dawn Part 2 with €9.2m). That's a huge number, and I'm really curious about legs from here on out. No CBM has ever gone past €25m in this market, and IW made "just" €22m.
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6 hours ago, Arlo245 said:
Despite Endgame being the true #1 today (with a probable $55-65 million previews), it will be very very satisfying to see a #1 spot next to Captain Marvel's dailies after LITERALLY more than a month of it being below number one (March 22-April 24). I took CM 35 days to climb back up to #1 with it getting as low on the chart as #7 on April 12. Talk about impressive. Glorious run,
So CM has managed to get #1 49 days after release.
This has inspired me to make a "latest day as #1" ranking (2002-). Setting a cut-off point at 30 days after release, I get:
1- My Big Fat Greek Wedding was on 147 days after release (that run was just incredible)
2 - Avatar, 77 days after release
3 - Frozen, 73 days after release
4 - PotC: Curse of the Black Pearl, 63 days after release
5 - Jumanji, 51 days after release
6 - Captain Marvel, 49 days after release
6 - American Sniper, 49 days after release
8 - Hidden Figures, 47 days after release
8 - Passion of the Christ. 47 days after release
10 - Black Panther, 41 days after release
11 - The Force Awakens, 38 days after release
12 - The Revenant, 35 days after release
13 -Paranormal activity, 33 days after release
14 - Return of the King, 30 days after release
15 - Zero Dark Thirty, 30 days after release
What other films would make the ranking? I probably missed some superleggy film, or platform release that went wide like one month later.
Incidentally Titanic last confirmed day at #1 was April 2nd, 1998, after 107 days of release. But BOM weekday data has lots of holes for that era, so I can't say for sure that was the last (the reason for picking 2002- films, besides limiting the frame).
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I still can't wrap my head around that CM number. Easter weekend or not, it still vastly outperformed all other holdovers in the top 10. The Endgame hype is insane.
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7 minutes ago, Thomas Beck said:
But won't it drop like a rock along with all other movies next week when Endgame arrives?
Double features with Endgame will keep it afloat. Black Panther remained mostly flat last year, although it didn't have such a monster pre-Avengers frame like CM is having. After next weekend we should expect CM to keep posting "normal" 30%-40% drops.
420s should be locked.
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The only reason I would want to see Batman & Robin again is if I was massively drunk. And even then I would hope to be drunk enough to pass out and miss the screening.
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7 hours ago, Jonwo said:
It's a good thing that Laika is backed by Travis and Phil Knight as any other studio would have packed in it already. At least Aardman has commercials and TV to supplement the movies.
It's such a pity though. Some of those movies are wonderful and they deserve to be seen more - and not in a snotty "watch this thing that will bore you just because critics say it's great" way, the movies are very enjoyable and emotional, but for some reason they just don't catch on. I guess stop-motion just doesn't appeal to the GA, can't really chalk it all to poor distribution/marketing.
Kubo is one of my favorite animated movies ever.
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1 minute ago, efialtes76 said:
Easter Holidays is one of the better dates for the boxoffice!
BvS did €5.45M in 5 days(€2.61M on Thursday a God's Friday)
And one year ago RP1 opened with €2.5M, Peter Rabbit incressed 1%, La Tribu only dropped a 12% and Red Sparrow 14%.
Heh, you're right. I looked at the wrong dates for last years' Easters. Dumbo might be able to finish not too far behind Jungle Book, then.
Somebody slap me.
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Shazam has bomber over here, unsurprisingly (it was dumped by WB), and it will struggle to reach €5m (for sake of comparison, Aquaman did nearly €14m in Spain). Conversely, Dumbo is doing great; it's fallen less than 20%. Easter Holidays will cut off legs (moviegoing slows considerably as people travel), but it's poised to gross in the middle €10s. It has already surpassed Cinderella, although it won't match Jungle Book or BATB.
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4 minutes ago, La Binoche said:
No one seems to have genuinely liked US past the opening weekend knee-jerk need to praise anything Jordan Peele does. His Twilight Zone is also getting a mixed reception. As for Get Out, other than capturing the cultural zeitgeist, for which it deserves credit, it's not very good filmmaking either.
Us is really well filmed and scripted though - one of those excruciatingly planned films where everything on screen eventually is there for a reason. It's a much more confident film than Get Out, and despite its controversial storytelling (it really asks a lot from the audience in regard of suspension of disbelief) it really makes me feel Peele is far more than a "lightning in a bottle" kind of filmmaker. Really looking forward to his body of work.
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Just now, TalismanRing said:
Original in that it borrows quite heavily from an old Twilight Zone episode
Must be the one with the girl at the bus stop that's afraid a double is going to replace her? That is a brilliant one.
You can borrow concepts and still be original, though. There are dozens of doppelganger stories out there.
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3 minutes ago, TMP said:
Also, it seems clear to me that DC Films have varying priorities over at WB. Aquaman was clearly important to them, hence the all-out ad campaign, and that seemed to have worked great in the long-run. I didn't think it was great, but it was intensely silly and bombastic, which I guess helped it play well domestically and overseas. Joker is gonna be a big priority looking at the youtube/twitter views thus far.
Shazam!'s foreign figures are bad, and it sounds like they didn't really market it well at all overseas. Domestic numbers only seem to be going so sturdy because of word of mouth/reviews.
The marketing here was awful, I tell you. It had DUMP written all over it.
The film is called "Shazam: Trainee superhero" (in Spanish) over here. When they make up these awful localised titles (rest assured, Captain Marvel wasn't "Captain Marvel: Kickass blonde" nor Aquaman was "Aquaman: Khal Drogo learns to swim") is always a sure tell of absolute lack of confidence in the movie.
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2 minutes ago, Matthew said:
Why is deadline comparing Shazam to Captain Marvel? Very unnecessary dig at CM. And why are they not talking about severe underperformance of Shazam OS.
It seems to be doing pretty badly over here (no #s yet, just anecdotal evidence of empty screenings). The marketing made it feel like a dumped film nobody should care about, and people seem to have got the message. Which is a pity.
It's strange, since even though Spain is not a big superhero market (Marvel films do well, but not nearly as well as in other places) it is a huge family market, and this looked like a way to scratch the family and superhero itches in one go. Then again, Warner Spain (which are extreme tightwads) probably chose not to try to risk their marketing euros selling a complete unknown character.
It's a fun film, deserved better.
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What are the PC issues? The racist crows and children going on an acid trip?
Actually, is there a version of the "pink elephants on parade" scene in Burton's version? Now that's something I might wanna see.
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7 minutes ago, Nova said:
Not that anyone cares about my two cents but I think for any studio it's about finding a balance. A studio definitely wants to capitalize on their IPs because if they don't then those IPs may end becoming forgotten. At the same time, you don't want to solely rely on IPs and already established franchises because once you have run those into the ground then what next? The reason why studios like Disney, Fox, Warner Bros, Sony etc became as huge as they are (especially Disney) is because of the original content that they created. The problem is when these studios solely rely on these properties to keep the money flowing. I mean for example, Fox had a great franchise in Alien and the last film they put out was a turd in The Predator. Or think about how good Independence Day was only for it to be ruined by the sequel.
For me, I have no issue with Disney doing live action movies for some of their original projects. But do we really need a live action BATB, Dumbo, Aladdin, The Lion King and Mulan all within a 2-3 year period? It just feels like Disney say it work and then suddenly wants to oversaturate the market with their remakes as opposed to creating projects that made them the Disney they are today. Disney didn't become Disney because all they did was remake things from a small selection of original content. Disney became Disney because they created so many amazing original characters. I don't see how it is wrong for people to be upset that they feel like Disney is straying away from what made them Disney in the first place. I feel the same way about Sony and their Ghostbusters sequels/remakes (and I have stated as such in that thread).
I think you're being slightly unfair. Yes, they are cynically double and triple dipping on remakes, but current Disney has produced some remarkable original animated films too (Frozen, Zootopia) that have no doubt garnered enough appreciation to get their own remakes in due time.
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Wonder Woman 1984 | Dec 16 2020 OS | Dec 25 2020 US and on HBO MAX
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I'm not the least surprised that a WWI-set film didn't connect with Asian audiencies, to be honest. Plus the Marvel brand is stronger overall at this point.
We'll see how well the 1980s setting sells outside the West - I think many people not in Europe/US will shrug at that, but it's not as "marked" as a film set in the 1910s. Also the DC brand is in a much better place after Aquaman, too.