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10 minutes ago, Eric Feels Pretty said:
I know we all like to think that there's a clear appetite and that audiences don't want to stick to the same old franchise glut
I would like to be excluded from this narrative 😛
10 minutes ago, Eric Feels Pretty said:but it's not the case,
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11 minutes ago, Eric Feels Pretty said:all we can really do is hope that people wake up and realize there's more than just cheap thrills when it comes to film.
Kind of a condescending way to put it imo. I’ll just hope for more movies I enjoy, be they franchise or not (more Knives Outs and Kubos and such would be great).
Anyway, I have said my piece. I know it’s contentious around here, and we’re starting to go in circles. I’ll try to bow out of the conversation for now.
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1 minute ago, BestPicturePlutoNash said:
Does anything without the Marvel logo appeal to you?
Sure, lots of stuff.
4 minutes ago, BestPicturePlutoNash said:Does "heavy-handed" social commentary even bother anyone?
I can’t speak to what you might mean by “heavy-handed” social commentary, but I assure you that heavy-handed social commentary bothers many people.
7 minutes ago, BestPicturePlutoNash said:Feels like an internet complaint that doesn't reflect general public. Get Out was sold on it, Marvel did it with Black Panther and Captain Marvel or hell, even Eternals.
Get Out leaned into it cleverly, Black Panther and Eternals weren’t heavy-handed imo, and CM was a little overwrought on that axis for me but has plenty of positives as well — this is just one factor among many.
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2 minutes ago, ThomasNicole said:
The only thing that looks exciting for audiences are heavy CGI action scenes?
I mean, kinda? Not like, the *only* thing that can get it done. I wouldn’t say that’s what excited people about TLK, or TS4, or F2, or BATB, or TGS. But hollywood has made enough Oscar aimed movie now that people can pick up that vibe, and some people like to watch all of those movies and for a lot of people it’s not for them.
4 minutes ago, ThomasNicole said:To me that's very simplistic and underestimate people intelligence,
It’s about taste, intelligence has nothing to do with it. Nobody is being under or overestimated, but if you look at what grosses stuff earned in 2021, 2019, 2018, even going further back the trends kind of speak for themselves.
6 minutes ago, ThomasNicole said:the movies doesn't look exciting because aside from some exceptions studios doesn't know how to sell them anymore (or doesn't care) even if the movies themselves aren't restrictive, that's the whole point.
This “they were marketed poorly” thing is like 90% of the time a fig leaf imo. How do you think they should have been marketed instead, concretely, and why would that have led to significantly higher grosses?
7 minutes ago, ThomasNicole said:The way things are going i bet if Silence of the Lambs came out today it would be another huge failure that everyone will presume isn't accessible.
Oh yeah, looks like a streamer (to be clear, I have seen this one and quite liked it). Silence of the lambs 1991 131M got a DOM 45th rank afaics, which nowadays is like 380M. I doubt it would hit 100M if released today, possibly quite lower.
It’s been literally more than three decades since that came out — the environment has undergone a sea change and there’s no coming back however much people might be nostalgic for 1991 general audience behavior.
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7 minutes ago, BestPicturePlutoNash said:
Have you seen Promising Young Woman? How does it not look exciting? The trailer went viral pre-COVID. It's literally a fast-cut thriller with zeitgeist appeal. Not that much different from Gone Girl or Girl on Train which did a solid 75m domestically
I haven’t seen any of these movies. They didn’t seem appealing to me 🤷♂️
You’re actually right about the Promising Young Woman trailer though — it did a pretty good job of seeming like a thriller and made me interested in seeing it (plus Bo). So did some of the synopses and such. It wasn’t until near it was coming out and I got a more full idea of the plot+ some (positive) reviews from friends that I realized it probably wasn’t going to be my cup of tea (it sounded kind of depressing with some heavyhanded social commentary — sort of similar to The Last Duel actually).
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Just now, ZackM said:Spider-Man: No Way Home
Alpha Chain
Premiere Night Seat Report: T-5 daysLast Day 2 Days Ago 3 Days Ago Showings Added 190 205 275 Seats Added 15,975 20,008 24,954 Seats Sold 13,008 13,783 12,603 12/11/2019 Theaters Showings Seats Sold Total Seats Pct. Sold Total 433 7,972 618,064 1,247,122 49.56% % of Seats Sold Sellouts 90%+ 80%+ 70%+ 60%+ # of Showings 87 718 1,525 2,425 3,394 ATP $14.66 
Is that ATP calculation just adult price*seats for all shows over seats sold?
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46 minutes ago, ThomasNicole said:
Even the usual "the movies aren't for big audiences" isn't exactly true, movies like The Father, Chicago 7, Promising Young Woman and Sound of Metal aren't restrictive at all.
Still people doesn't care, and if the problem isn't the movies
They’re restrictive/not for big audiences because they don’t look exciting. It’s as simple as that.
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53 minutes ago, john2000 said:
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$752,000,000 would be a result of 4th place (behind TFA, AEG, Avatar).
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3 minutes ago, Multiverse of XXR said:
Sure, perhaps there are some reasons BUT it would be odd (IMO) if 4 Marvel movies comps in the last 6 months all pointed to a 2% difference and it DIDN'T hit right around there. At most I would take the average and do +/- 5%.
Would not be especially strange for a 50M 3PM with massive effective sellouts to have markedly different regional ratio than a handful of piddling 8-13M guys.
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1 minute ago, Multiverse of XXR said:
Looks like all of your numbers are coalescing pretty clearly. By the time your final track arrives, we can probably use it +/- 3% and be correct.
Those are all final comps so they are exactly as coalesced as they were t-17 and as coalesced as they will be at t-0. All it really says is that BW V2 Eternals and SC had similar national/Sacto ratio as each other.
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Encanto will scrape by 100 unless d+ release stops it I guess. Will be interesting to see how much impact there.
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I think the difference between a single market film and a global appeal is pretty clear. A movie which did 900M DOM and like 20M OS would feel equally weird as a “worldwide” #1.
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By the way, if people prefer to just input grosses for the weekends I’m happy to convert that into ranks on our end.
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WSS I suspect will go around 45M but I wouldn't be shocked if it legs to like 70 either which would end up kind of fine.
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We have people who personally like to see non IP in theaters, I totally get that. But like, mathematically -- it just is not the case the exhibition needs nonIP to survive. If it literally went to zero a relatively modest % increase in IP movie gross/year would cancel it out.
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9 minutes ago, charlie Jatinder said:
2-3% is for THU. FRI and SAT be higher in %.
Ah, right. But still looks like 2.5-3M Th and Fri maybe? Lose Sat, likely win Sun.
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3 minutes ago, Porthos said:
Total Sellouts Added Today
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Got your wish
A pretty nice day, let’s hope next few follow suit
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2 hours ago, charlie Jatinder said:
Almost 4x.
In fact FRI most likely be even for two.
Seems high? NWH is doing like 2-3% daily growth and base is still like 75Mish so should be ballpark 2-2.5M dailies right? Maybe can win Sun if it accelerates.
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2 hours ago, charlie Jatinder said:
WSS try $4.1M incl previews 10.5ish
Encanto 2.2 9.5ish (outside chance of upset, true FSS looks real close)
1 hour ago, charlie Jatinder said:Probably $1.25M. 4.1ish
Numbers I really care about this week are resident evil, Eternals, V2, and nttd 😂
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13 minutes ago, WrathOfHan said:
I wish these numbers reflected the reality of trying to get an IMAX or Dolby ticket in NYC this weekend
Imagine what the DOM-NYC numbers must looks like 👀
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8 minutes ago, Porthos said:
At the risk of over-reading, I do raise a slight eyebrow at comments like this:
I'm sure this has already been throughly discussed in this thread, but, I dunno. If the stars of the film keep telling folks not to expect Happy Fun Times, maybe it's not going to be all that Fun.
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I have stepped back from some of my concerns, as on reflection (and the IW/EG example) catharsis done right could do gangbusters in this environment. At the same time I'd be lying if I didn't have a slight concern overall given that Fun Is In right now.
How will people react if they're expecting one type of movie, but get another? Gonna find out soon enuf, I suppose.
Wouldn’t be spider-man:endgame without some serious sad vibes
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Just now, Cmasterclay said:
Then we might as well stop thinking of movies as art and start thinking of them as pure product. Might as well blow up the Mono Lisa and replace it with a meme.
Way ahead of you buddy. Vast vast majority of movies that are interesting to me as a vector of daily gross I will never see, and certainly not pay for a trip to see.
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1 minute ago, Eric Feels Pretty said:
Then maybe we should change the forum’s name to Artistic Quality Theory. Sounds way cooler to me
It seems like a lot of people want to be posting on Artistic Quality Theory instead! I think there are actually a lot of places to do that, but it’s certainly not why I’m in this particular place.
Weekend Thread (12/10-12) | WSS 800K Previews
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Actually a final point here — a successful “nonfranchise” movie will more often than not become a “franchise” movie afterward. Franchises are built off successful nonfranchise first entries, be it Iron Man or A New Hope. It’s pretty natural that you will get more and more franchises as time goes on (because new ones get created easier than they get permanently killed). And it’s pretty natural that people expect to like an average franchise movie more than an original — the franchise movie is literally the result of selection pressure acting on originals, so it could hardly be otherwise from a process point of view.