HeadShot
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this episode was so good. best one yet. But why did ol' grandpa put his homosex in the nostalgia pills? Did Angela really need to watch him dippin' and doin' it?
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1 hour ago, narniadis said:
In his opinion It will be a disaster since he has clearly made it plain that he expected 600m as the end goal. I think I have found another one to add to my ignore list since Id rather not be known for bad behavior consistently.
lol at putting people on ignore because they have a different opinion. You should move to China!
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1 minute ago, narniadis said:
Ummmmmm your definition of huge needs a reassessment especially when you are trying to link some films over a 20 year spread or originals to remakes.
Your comparisons make your argument incompatible and your insistence on your view being the only accurate point versus actual data makes having a teaching conversation nearly impossible.
I mentioned several "newer" movies as well. Just look at how Frozen II is smashing internationally. The increases are massive. There is no "cap". This was also supposed to happen domestically. Something clearly didn't click. Stop fooling yourself.
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1 minute ago, filmlover said:
A number of these movies don't qualify as "breakouts."
They were all movies with huge grosses which were surpassed by their sequels. To limit the comparison to "breakouts" is useless.
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Anyways point is Frozen is a huge brand and it can only be compared to other massive ones such as Avengers. It should have increased significantly. End of story.
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Just now, lorddemaxus said:
How many sequels to breakouts in the past decade increased from their predecessors?
Ultron -> Infinity war
IW -> EG
Homecoming -> FFH
Hunger Game -> CF
Lion King -> Lion King
Furious 6 -> Furious 7
Jurassic Park III -> Jurassic World
Harry Potter 7 -> Harry Potter 8
Incredibles -> Incredibles 2
Finding Nemo -> Finding Dory
Jumanji -> Jumanji 2
Star Wars: Revenge of sith -> TFA
Despicable Me -> Despicable me 2
etc.
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4 minutes ago, a2k said:
no thnaksgiving animation apart from frozen has even done 300 dom. sing and grinch with 270+ are the next biggest. disney's next biggest is moana. (TS2 1999 adjusted would be the biggest but in that era cg animation was itself a rarity)
400 for frozen's story-line could be closer to saturation than it's getting credit for.
I don't believe in saturation when it comes to what time in the year a movie is released. We have already seen studios do insane numbers in unusual months like black panther in February. If a brand/movie is big enough people will go see it no matter what.
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Just now, narniadis said:
Case in point of why people get disappointed at the box office results. Trying really hard to not get another warning here 🤦♂️
"Only" 400m.... that comment alone shows a distinct lack of understanding both for how box office operates and for WHY Frozen 1 hit the mark and WHY its automatically more difficult for the sequel to repeat the behavior.
400 million is a huge number but the brand has grown so much over the years. I expected Frozen to outdo or at least match Incredibles 2.
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1 minute ago, a2k said:
gotg1 to gotg2 growth gives 468.
smh to ffh growth gives 465-466.
even aou to aiw's growth gives frozen2 592-593.
never-mind easily.
Frozen is a bigger brand than GOTG and Spider-Man (spider-man's boxoffice got hurt by so many reboots).
592-593 would have been a great number as well. But clearly it's not reaching that.
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7 minutes ago, narniadis said:
@a2k CF is the only #2 sequel to increase from a part 1 that did over 400m. Thats partially what I referr to when I mention the 400m curse / pattern. Not saying that other films have done badly but case in point Ultron and JW2 while still doing well over 400m didnt come close, same with Jedi. And that goes back all the way to Spiderman in 2002 (first 400m film with a sequel.)
Obviously inflation and other issues play a part, but again, when only 2 animated films ever have legitimately crossed 450m (3 if you want to throw Shrek 2 in there) the expectations of Frozen 2 hitting the lighting twice was setting up for disappointment, esp the 500m+ camp.
Not saying 500m isnt warranted, but hitting 450m is a positive not a negative in reality.
These movies were insanely massive and which made it hard for them to surpass their predecessor. Did anyone expect The Last Jedi to do over 1 billion domestically? Marvel ain't probably ever surpassing End Game either. Frozen on the other hand "only" did 400 million domestically. It could have easily increased with at least 200 million.
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1 hour ago, a2k said:
how many 400+ dom grossers have sequels that do bigger. especially outside Avengers 3/4.
i think CF was the first one ever to pull that off. TS4 did it this year too.
even back to back 400+ movies in a franchise are handful.
485 would be 21% over 400 and even if you were expecting 525+ it isn't awful.
We live in a franchise world now. It's a very different climate. Sequels nowadays are expected to increase and grow due to brand recognition. And Frozen is one of the biggest brands of this decade. It should have easily done 600 million domestically. Like Charlie said its scoring 75 instead of 90.
1 hour ago, titanic2187 said:I am glad TLK didn't cross 2b.
I do not wish to see 2b ww club got cheapen this easily like what happened to 1b club now.
It was already cheapened when Titanic cheated it's way in there with a re-release.
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3 hours ago, Claudio said:
You need to insert your life there too.
It was a joke.
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Biggest disappointments of the decade:
Ultron
TS4
The Lion King
Frozen 2
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12 minutes ago, cdsacken said:
It's going to make a tony of money. It's not a bomb. Don't be ridiculous.
On another note, Joker is gonna push for 1.05 billion, 250 million above basically every optimistic estimate. People laughed at the 300m domestic club, now even a 350m club wouldn't have looked silly.
yeah i know it's gonna make money but let's not pretend like we are were expecting much bigger numbers. Me calling it a bomb was just hyperbole anyways.
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10 minutes ago, Sunny Max said:
BOMB.
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okay guys. John Wick is fking great. Damn I've been missing out all these years. The action scenes are a joy to watch. Poor mcu!
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37 minutes ago, IronJimbo said:
same reason they like pulp fiction I suppose
Haven't watched that yet. So I guess I'll be skipping that if it's like OUTIH. Feel like it's only getting praised cause its Tarantino.
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Binged the first 3 episodes. It's intriguing so far. I'm bothered by the lack of dialogue though. Hopefully it picks up with some new characters.
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Just finished Once upon a time in hollywood. Um why do people like this? It's just a bunch of random clips put together. There's no actual cohesive story.
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The Artist (2011) was dull. Anyone know any good slient movies that are watchable?
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So is this doing 500 WW? That would be a cute number considering everyone (including me) thought it would bomb.
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People are saying they waited to long. I'd argue the opposite. Too little time has passed. The kids that grew up watching frozen are probably teenagers now and not old enough to care or feel any type of nostalgia.
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120 million? Surprised that it couldn't even match Finding Dory.
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Ok guys. It's time to start panicking.
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same tbh - even with people that have personally attacked me. But if someone wants to ignore me that's their choice!