Sckathian
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16 hours ago, John Marston said:
this looks like a Disney Channel movie. No wonder it’s tracking badly
Honestly I prefer this trailer. It feels more honest to the films tone but it’s also not what I expect from a billion dollar franchise either. This feels like a niche superhero comedy not a mainstream film at all but this trailer seems more honest to what this film is.
It’s totally bizzare that Marvel get their female superhero and then don’t know what to do with her. Like it’s not hard. Considering this trailer backs up a well spoiled part of the film, it’s like Marvel got lost in the 50s when making Wanda.
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We can’t remove the context of the MCU from individual films. We have a situation where new characters intended to feed into the overall project are failing, existing characters are leaving, and remaining characters are hitting 400M-500M.
Personally I would focus on Strange and Spider-Man right now and just pause a lot of the rest.
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8 hours ago, ThomasNicole said:
Yeah people won´t fall for the narrative that Disney is succesfully selling for years anymore. The movies have to be good, not just allegedly important.
And of its a man declaring this! Maybe perhaps Barbie both focused on a brand women recognised and also on a message they connected with.
MEANWHILE CAPTAIN MARVEL PUNCH HARD.
One of the sexist things in media is the Buffy finale where disgusting man Whedon decides his feminist message is if you punch hard you won’t be the victim of domestic abuse. Who could know he was a sexist person?!
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You need a Spider-Man film to make that work. Three spidermen works well because it’s fun but who gives a fuck about Toby talking to Thor?
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15 minutes ago, PlatnumRoyce said:
No, that's WandaVision by a mile. IF you look at "best tv shows of the year" lists (as aggregated by metacritic - link died a few months ago in a stupid redesign) WandaVision was one of the very "best" shows of 2020 while Marvels got a smattering of votes. It got good reviews (especially for the opening) but it's really not as if people actually talk about it as a superlative show after the fact.
I still don't get Wandavision. For me its the worst effected by Marvel trying to throw out how TV is made. Its a show with nearly all its episodes set around comedy episodes throughout the decades but at no point is it funny. Or even try to be funny. Bizzare show.
If Wandavision had come out more recently rather than be one of the first shows I think it would have been torn apart.
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12 minutes ago, SpiderByte said:
Why does everyone here act like Ms Marvel, the best reviewed Marvel release ever made, is some kind of widely despised and hated show
Its not hated but its not been popular which is an issue.
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2 hours ago, fede75 said:
Monica was a Captain Marvel in the comics and was a secondary character in the first Captain Marvel movie. It makes a lot of sense having her as co-protagonist of a Captain Marvel sequel. Like having both T challa and Shuri as Black Panther in a Black Panther sequel. Kamala is in this case the sidekick/team up
The audience that drove the first film to a billion is made up of people who have never touched a comic book in their lives.
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3 minutes ago, AniNate said:
Rumblings on social media are indicating that OUAS will be on D+ in international territories tomorrow and attached with the Moana theatrical rerelease in the US, but is no longer going to be with Wish.
Moana projects confuse me entirely at this point, do you mean the live action version? Has that even entered serious pre production?
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6 hours ago, Wandavisionlover0924 said:
I think Shang chi is the most forgettable movie they released during phase 4 tho
Yes but you still have to build on stuff. What’s the point in creating character dynamics only for them not to appear for 6/7 years? They are missing a main lineup but are also not building on it at all.
2 hours ago, boxoff53 said:There are people who don't care for her for reasons other than right wing nonsense. For myself, there's just something very lacking in charisma with her. Can't really put my finger on it. Sometimes people just rub people the wrong way despite what they actually do... I've met several people who just instantly did not like me despite never speaking to me or interacting with me previously at all.
I think there was a lot going against her. Brie had to do her Avengers stuff before Captain Marvel was in production - now an actor should be able to manage that but she is still being dropped in and given very stilted lines which leads to a stilted performance.
Shes much better in Captain Marvel but again she’s got a lot to manage, false memories etc. She only really becomes Captain Marvel at the end of the film - which is very unusual in an origin film. So she should be able to perform better but she’s hampered in a way none of the other characters are.
From what a I understand of this film it’s not going to help in the character department. Marvel just seem a mess.
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Funny thing is I think Shang Chi is probably the most charismatic character yet they have in this run.
Their plan is to release it after the next Avengers saga is over. So essentially we could have a 6-7 year between films but I strongly suspect it gets shelved. Odd odd stuff.
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4 hours ago, The GOAT said:
It doesn't help that none of these indie directors have the know-how to effectively manipulate CGI and special effects to their advantage and the artistic vision as a whole.
I think this is a problem for MCU. A lot of directors really don’t want to work with them and you have some intern dictating how a scene should be because the CG team needed to start work before production.
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T'challa - Uhm this is baseless but please god no.
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25 FILM: ELEMENTAL (2023) Disney+ WALT DISNEY CO LTD 3,245,500 Elemental managed 3.2M in the week 11 Sep 2023 - 17 Sep 2023 in the UK per BARB. Thats an awesome result for a film and I think the first Disney+ programming to hit the top 50 in the UK viewing figures. (it went live in Q4 last year).
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18 minutes ago, keysersoze123 said:
I know. I just mentioned that nothing about opening day presales that told that it was going to be as bad as what happened to the movie. Lack of growth nuked it for sure. Back then SW was coming on back of Rogue One opening to 150m and grossing over 500m. I remember SW loonies saying 500m is floor for any SW movie 🙂
SW loonies don't really understand the franchises popularity. For some reason they are just desperate to be seen as the new MCU, you see it constantly in discussions about audience viewership. Never makes sense to me, enjoy your stuff.
14 minutes ago, HummingLemon496 said:How much do you think Spidey 4 can do OW/DOM/WW if it's good?
If its good we're looking at 1.5bn imo - one of the strengths of No Way Home is introducing Holland Spiderman to people who never came back when it returned (outside of maybe Avengers appearance, which obviously misses a lot of characters).
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57 minutes ago, keysersoze123 said:
Last 2 movies from MCU that had insane hype were NWH and DS2. Sony is desperately trying to start another one but why is Disney not announcing DS3. Get it out with BC and CT and others. I think that will still have the hype.
This is the big issue for Marvel right now. They need to be more reactionary but with so many projects inter woven it makes them pretty slow to change direction.
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47 minutes ago, Willowra said:
I'm pretty sure that Cap4 will do twice or thrice of The Marvels. People are interested in CBM only if they think the character is a big character. Marvel studios itself gave impression to the public that Captain Marvel is an irrelevant character by removing her name from the title, why would audience give shit about such a character?
I agree on the title issue but…Captain America has not been recast, instead he’s the guy with the wings who as far as a I was last aware was not in fact a super hero (not sure if it changed).
To the public that makes him Captain America B rather than Captain America A.
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4 hours ago, The GOAT said:
If the Marvels and Aquaman are bombing this bad, perhaps every superhero movie will bomb and fail for the next 2 years.
Am not convinced. I don’t count GotG as a superhero film (it’s not) so I don’t include that but other films like The Batman have done very well.
I just think we had a boom in the 10s of the hero’s who would never get a big release in the decades before suddenly being super successful. Studios need to start being sensible, Marcels upcoming release schedule is pretty poor.
Why should a less successful MCU hinder Disney making new Iron Man or Captain America films without the asterisk that it’s not just a different actor but a different character.
Why are the D+ shows hindering franchises like Captain America breaking out?
Like there should be at minimum the below every 5 years but arguably 3/4 when they have a solid cast;
- Spiderman
- Batman
- Iron Man
- Captain America
- Wonder Woman
- X Men
- Doctor Strange (edited to add as I think he’s proven now)
- Superman (taking a new line as he just as a character isn’t proven as the above when it comes to film in recent decades)
Then from there do an odd mid budget film with all the other characters. It’s fucking crazy that in a comic and film world of ‘multi universes’ no one has just put all the characters in their own fucking world and had them cross over when they need to-
oh wait they did - Spiderverse and it works brilliantly to break things up. All that is happening right now is Marvel making idiotic decisions thinking their god king and everyone else is still chasing the ‘MCU’ success even as it shows it maybe has limitations to its appeal.
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What’s the latest a film has rebranded before launch? I know Birds of Prey did during its run but just wondering if there is precedent before release?
Everything around this film has always been a big red flag that Marvel were getting a bit arrogant/buying into their own hype. Tying your 1bn star to Disney+ Show stars, it’s just absolutely fucking bizzare.
Marvel deserve a loss on this one, they’re in for a hard road looking at their current slate (DP should do well though) and whilst Fantastic Four is a fan darling it’s not exactly proven box office gold…
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Marvel will just have to spend more marketing money if the strike is going on. Simple as that.
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Swift isn’t repeatable. What would be interesting is if the investors selling off their positions with the big Hollywood companies start investing in companies/form a new company which accepts the unions terms.
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5 hours ago, 21C said:
100% dependant on how ironclad the legal agreement is which means we have absolutely zero idea.
There’s too much rumour to really know what is going on. I don’t think it’s a 2023 thing but if this rolls to 2024 I could see some bring legal action to either leave or force a deal.
it’s just a shit position to be in. They have signed up to work as a club with their direct competitors. The big streamers are still going to gain subs and can probably just bring in foreign shows.
it’s a very dumb system really.
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The strike on the studio stuff is much more to do with AI than I think people accept. Its how they want to expand their profit margins which just means hiring less people and paying their executive staff more money.
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I’ve only just realised Lucas announced a new Star Wars film for Rey before the strike but also before a script was worked on. Star Wars is a blessing and curse for Daisy.
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On 8/31/2023 at 2:19 PM, Lucas said:
That multiple people have specifically praised the script already is not exactly common for this kind of movie, they may come out of this alive when the review embargo drops. But then again Conjuring 3 also opened with positive to very positive reactions and ended up slipping just under the fresh tomato once the embargo had dropped.
Suggests to me this is more a Conjuring movie like some the (third?) Annabelle film was rather that a easy baked spin off.
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Deadpools best will be to match the second film. Which is still very good but I don't see it breaking out. DP already broke out.