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    TDKR "Honest-Trailer"

    in The Speakeasy

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    The glare of the tv screen on the table is all green, meaning that the tv image was put on later, but it was green at the time of filming

    ahh i see. Nice find by whoever done it, but not something that is visible. Mistakes like that are in every single movie

    TDKR "Honest-Trailer"

    in The Speakeasy

    Posted · Edited by Omario

    Maybe because Nolan doesn't know how to properly use a green screen as that evidence shows:

    http-~~-//www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQoNOiuK_7w

    Oh, What's that? Batman didn't freefall from a real building for real? :o

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    Next, you gonna tell me Nolan doesn't use CGI...

    i didnt say Nolan works without green screens. What i meant was i prefer real stunts and actions that seem more real than what avengers put out. That is something Nolan is known to do. You try to diss nolanites or any TDKR fans in general but you sound exactly like them.

    People putting down Nolan because they dont like his action scenes lol. He is one of the most sought after director in Holly wood atm because of the dark knight trilogy. So deal with it. You can criticise him like the next director but fact is he has already left his mark on the industry like spielberg and cameron did.

    can you tell me what im looking at in the video because i dont see anything. its not very clear

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    TDKR "Honest-Trailer"

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    Are you kidding me? The first re-appearance of Batman is a joke of an action scene. There's nothing really exciting going on and Nolan's poor talent for directing action is glaring. It's Zimmer's thunderous (reused) score that made you think some breathtaking action was taking place before your eyes but it's an illusion. It's poorly paced and a standard chase already seen numerous times (just a rehash of Batman Begins chase) with Batman just hanging around on his bike. (Oh man, that CGI bike jump is lame as if it was supposed to be a jaw-dropping scene, give me a break...) .There's nothing as impressive as Avengers epic action set pieces which didn't lack that WOW factor. Hulk Smash! That's what I'm talking about:http-~~-//www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRk4CktOZaAhttp-~~-//www.youtube.com/watch?v=rU0-ZD58uDg

    yh i just tend to prefer my action that isnt filmed next to a green screen.

    Why do people dislike TDKR?

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    If audience preferred TDKR over Avengers why did Avengers destroy TDKR box office wise with way more multiple repeats viewings from the so-said audience? Contrary to quality, when audience like a film more that equal more attendance.And Internet polls, IMDB whatever are not real life, they're fanboys polls. Ask teens, kids, families, workers, Joe-six-pack and Jane Doe down in the streets, they loved Avengers more than TDKR. That is a fact.Nolanites are delusional.

    so with that logic would you say people preferred Avatar more than Avengers?Everyone i know has preferred TDKR. People just cant get over the fact that a particular director is the talk of the town nowadays because he adapted a dc property.

    Why do people dislike TDKR?

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    But they took the time to send death threats to people that didn't agree with them about TDKR even though they had not seen the movie themselves yet. How could one be more pathetic and desperate than that...BKB despite trying so hard couldn't even reach that level of delusion.

    so a few number of people who sent death threats to critics represents the vast majority of TDKR/Nolan fans? get real.Also anything related to TDKR was going to make headlines. You argument is very poor. Fact stands that polls on various websites indicate audience preferred TDKR over Avengers.

    Greatest trailer ever made?

    in Trailer Review

    Posted · Edited by Omario

    so many trailers to choose from. Loved all the LOTR trailers especially the super trilogy trailer. Dark Knight, Matrix reloaded and War of the worlds 2nd trailer. Inception has been one of the most memorable in recent memory. The second Avengers trailer was amazing as was the final amazing spiderman trailer. God there are so many to name.ill put one out though that still stays with me to this day:

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    Why do people dislike TDKR?

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    Yeah, from Nolan fans with more than 1 account and username.. No way were they gonna have another movie beat TDKR in a Poll and it's like this at every site including RT and KJ.. Theyvoted more than once...

    If that was even true do you think marvel fans are above it? Grow up mate, seriously. You tried to say it when it topped the polls on one of the other threads on this forum and it was shot down by the mods who said it wasn't true. I think there's an abundance of nolan and TDKR fans on the net anyway. They wouldn't need multiple accounts. General audience loves what Nolan has been putting out and he is now a household name. Deal with it
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    Why do people dislike TDKR?

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    I do so because this thread is absurd and comes off as Nolan fans being in complete denial that they have to further discuss why their movie just wasn't as received well like it's predecessor and it's pretty cut and dry why it wasn't, but I just find it amazing that Shawn will close and archive 1 thread over the issue only to leave this one open that will end up deteriorating the same way and no conclusion will be drawn from it other than Nolan fans just can't come to terms with their movie being crapped on....

    Movie was crapped on by about the same people that crapped on Avengers. You're seriously delusional. Just because you have had it in for this movie you think everyone does lol. so far EVERY website i have been on, TDKR has topped Avengers in the polls. But clearly you are just going to turn around and say that they were all nolan fans/sites. Which basically says that majority of movie lovers on the internet are Nolan fans...i wonder why? Get a grip dude and just enjoy the time that Avengers has the records for. I agree TDK had its time to shine (and its still shining). Now its Avengers time. Simple. If aVengers 2 breaks its own records, well great. Im gonna be there opening night anyway regardless. If another movie does it, well...tough shit. Records are there to be broken.

    UK Box Office Thread

    in International Box Office

    Posted · Edited by Omario

    Just came back from a viewing of normal 3D in vue extreme-westfield stratford. Thoroughly enjoyed it. Dont know what the critics are on about. This film stands on its own. I didnt really find it dragging in the beginning. Felt like the same build up as was in FOTR. I think the stakes were raised when they showed the Necromancer having dealings in the background which improved the plot abit. Made it seem like it threatened the world as in LOTR.I was one of those that thought the make up on the dwarves seemed somewhat ...amateur (in the trailer). But in the film they seemed perfectly fine. Only criticism i can give it is that the general audience wouldnt know all the the dwarves names. Only ones that seemed prominent were Thorin, Balin, Fili, Kili and Bofur. think jackson needs us to relate to the others abit more.the cinema was packed, think only 6-7 empty seats on the side left. There were tonnes of laughs from the audience especially when gollum turned up. Also for those people who were complaining about farts and burps scenes. There was only one burp scene and it lasted 3 seconds...will definitely check out 48fps just to see how it is

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    Weekend #s Hobbit 84.7 ROG 7.4 Linc 7.2 Sky 7.0 Pi 5.4 BD2 5.2 pg 90

    in Numbers and Data

    Posted · Edited by Omario

    Just came back from a viewing of normal 3D. Thoroughly enjoyed it. Dont know what the critics are on about. This film stands on its own. I didnt really find it dragging in the beginning. Felt like the same build up as was in FOTR. I think the stakes were raised when they showed the Necromancer having dealings in the background which improved the plot abit. Made it seem like it threatened the world as in LOTR.I was one of those that thought the make up on the dwarves seemed somewhat ...amateur (in the trailer). But in the film they seemed perfectly fine. Only criticism i can give it is that the general audience wouldnt know all the the dwarves names. Only ones that seemed prominent were Thorin, Balin, Fili, Kili and Bofur. think jackson needs us to relate to the others abit more.the cinema was packed, think only 6-7 empty seats on the side left. There were tonnes of laughs from the audience especially when gollum turned up. Also for those people who were complaining about farts and burps scenes. There was only one burp scene and it lasted 3 seconds...will definitely check out 48fps just to see how it is

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    The Dark Knight Rises

    in Review That Movie! (Spoilers Allowed)

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    This article best sums it up for me

    In the final film, Bruce Wayne’s story comes full circle. Symbols, themes and ideas present in Batman Begins return in the third movie, while the actions taken in 2008’s The Dark Knight provide a potentially disastrous flashpoint for the events in this year’s film. This is why, we’d argue, The Dark Knight Rises provides such a satisfying conclusion to what has grown into a sprawling three act story; Christopher Nolan may not have made 2005’s Batman Begins with two further instalments in mind, but the way the three movies interweave is intricate and worthy of closer examination, even if the individual parts themselves aren’t entirely without flaw.

    The birth of the Dark Knight

    Batman has his genesis in three defining moments: the young Bruce Wayne’s traumatic encounter with fluttering bats at the bottom of an old well, the brutal murder of his parents at the hands of Joe Chill, and his encounter with the League of Shadows as an adult. Channelling his fear, guilt and anger, Bruce trains to become a ninja, and in the process acquires the skills of combat, stealth and theatricality he’ll later use as Batman.

    Wayne’s encounter with the League also puts him on a collision course with Ra’s al Ghul, and thereafter, the fate of the pair of them, and Gotham City, will become inextricably linked.

    Law and chaos

    Having learned of the League’s plans to destroy Gotham, Bruce vows to become a force for good, and over the course of Batman Begins and its sequels, fights to defend his city from three agencies of chaos. All of these are a direct consequence of the League’s initial plans; in Batman Begins, Ra’s al Ghul intends to use a Wayne Enterprises invention (a Microwave Emitter) to release a psychosis-inducing hallucinogen into the atmosphere, causing Gotham to be torn apart by its own population.

    At the conclusion of Batman Begins, Sgt Gordon warns of the dangers of escalation (“We start carrying semi-automatics, they buy automatics. We start wearing kevlar, they buy armour-piercing rounds”), but it’s already too late: Batman’s rooftop theatrics have unwittingly let the The Joker - part sociopathic terrorist, part sadistic performance artist - out of the box.

    In The Dark Knight, The Joker’s anarchic manipulation of Gotham’s criminal underbelly results in the fall of the city’s so-called White Knight, Harvey Dent, and the death of Rachel Dawes, Bruce Wayne’s unrequited sweetheart. Batman manages to foil The Joker’s evil plans, but not without compromising his own ethics in the process; when Dent, tipped over the edge into his insane alter-ego, Two Face, jeopardises the legal victories he’d previously won, Batman and Gordon (now Commissioner) conspire to keep his madness a secret, with Batman taking the blame for his crimes instead.

    By The Dark Knight Rises, set eight years after the events of the previous films, the consequences of the past have begun to tell. Gordon is wracked with guilt over the cover-up of Dent’s crimes, even though the Dent Act means that Gotham’s now a safer city than it ever was.

    Bruce Wayne has become a recluse, with Batman’s reputation in tatters, the years of jumping off buildings and fighting thugs weighing heavily on his body, and his soul aching over the loss of Rachel Dawes. Even the loyal Alfred Pennyworth has his own cross to bear, with his concealment of a letter from Rachel (in which she essentially dumped Bruce for Harvey Dent) tugging at his conscience.

    Bruce Wayne will soon be stirred from his torpor, however, by a new agent of chaos: Bane, a League of Shadows acolyte who’s determined to finish what Ra’s al Ghul started, and tear Gotham apart from within.

    Christopher Nolan’s Batman series presents a universe of law and chaos, and nowhere is this more evident than in The Dark Knight Rises, where the two collide in scenes of grand destruction.

    Batman, a character consumed by anger, guilt and thirst for revenge, may have once sounded like a difficult one for a mass audience to get behind, which would explain the camp avenue the franchise took during Joel Schumacher’s tenure. But in the wake of 9/11, with an American nation shocked by a national tragedy, Batman suddenly made more sense than ever, and Nolan’s interpretation of the character - a dark hero defending his city from chaotic forces - fits perfectly into the 21st century landscape.

    Stocks and shares

    Taking inspiration from the ongoing fall-out from the global financial crisis, The Dark Knight Rises sees Bruce Wayne experiencing a few solvency issues. An apparently minor plot detail, the market flotation of Wayne Enterprises in Batman Begins, it turns out, would have far-reaching repercussions almost a decade later.

    By the time we arrive at The Dark Knight Rises, Bruce’s ill-advised investment in Miranda Tate’s clean energy research has left the company teetering on the brink of bankruptcy, and following Bane’s tinkering with the stock exchange, Bruce is left penniless.

    It’s little wonder that The Dark Knight Rises’ primary marketing image was of a dissolving Gotham skyline - with his loyal butler Alfred gone, the foundations of Bruce Wayne’s life are gradually crumbling away, even as the rest of the city is about to drift irresistibly into anarchy.

    Fear and Bane

    One of the key themes in Batman Begins, fear is also a defining element in Bruce Wayne’s guilt-riddled psyche. At the start of the film, we see a young Master Bruce fall into the well mentioned earlier, whose bat-filled tunnel provides the boy with the life-long phobia that will later inform his masked alter-ego.

    The well image returns in The Dark Knight Rises, in the form of a subterranean prison located somewhere in the east - possibly India. Here, a well-like opening reveals a tantalising circle of clear blue sky, and prisoners are compelled to make desperate leaps in a bid for freedom - leaps which often result in little more than death or a nasty back injury.

    Bruce Wayne’s attempts to escape the prison are an inversion of the early scene in Batman Begins. There, Bruce Wayne’s father comes down by a rope and lifts his son to rescue. The residual fear from that experience, however, has never left Bruce, and it’s surely significant that, at the end of Batman Begins, he’s shown nailing planks of wood over the well’s opening - implying, perhaps, that he’s patched over his trauma without truly confronting it.

    In order to escape the prison in The Dark Knight Rises, Bruce must find the strength to lift himself out of the well - to escape, he has to truly embrace fear, and take one final leap of faith.

    There’s a further parallel to be found, perhaps, between that early well scene in Batman Begins and Bane. The villain’s distinctive mask has been compared to the bared teeth of an angry dog, or like two sets of talons, perhaps. But Bane’s mask also bares a striking resemblance to the spiked aperture from which the hundreds of bats emerge to menace Bruce Wayne in the first movie.

    Bane, therefore, is a physical embodiment of everything Batman and Bruce dread the most - a villain capable of breaking them both physically and mentally.

    Although Bane almost succeeds in doing both of these things, the words of Thomas Wayne are quite apt when talking about Nolan’s handling of Bane: “All creatures feel fear. Especially the scary ones.” When, towards the end of the film, we see Bane without his mask during a flashback, we can also spot a flash of terror in his eyes. In that moment, we realise that even this monster of a man is capable of fear.

    Identity

    Almost from the very beginning, Christopher Nolan has played with the theme of identity in his Batman films. Aside from the exploration of Bruce Wayne and his developing alter ego, Batman Begins constantly toyed with audience expectations. Liam Neeson at first introduces himself as Ducard, a character familiar to many comics readers as a detective who trained a young Bruce Wayne in Paris.

    We later learn that Ducard is in fact Ra’s al Ghul. The character we were earlier led to believe was Ra’s (played by Ken Watanabe) was in fact a stooge designed to protect his true identity, which is a practice he later employs again when he crashes Bruce Wayne’s birthday party.

    The Ra’s al Ghul of the comics is, of course, rather different from the one imagined by Nolan. His realistic vision of the Batman universe had no room for Ra’s’ life-restoring Lazarus Pit, for example, though the director has great fun playing with the character’s ability to resurrect himself in the comics. Ra’s makes a brief return appearance in The Dark Knight Rises, making us briefly wonder whether this enigmatic character is indeed immortal, even in Nolan’s sober version of Batman. But no: he was merely an apparition, a “cheap parlour trick” to keep the audience on its toes.

    Double identities, it turns out, are something of an al Ghul family hobby. In The Dark Knight Rises’ final act twist, the apparently benign environmentalist Marion Cotillard is revealed to be Ra’s al Ghul’s daughter, Talia; born in the eastern prison Bruce Wayne ended up in, and protected by Bane, she’s returned to avenge the death of her father and destroy Gotham City by setting off an experimental reactor-turned-bomb. (It’s worth noting, too, that Talia dies in a vehicle with a dangerous device in it - like father, like daughter.)

    Batman’s fateful words at the end of the first film - “I won’t kill you. But I won’t have to save you” - have returned from the past. What would have happened if he’d apprehended al Ghul instead of leaving him to die in that monorail crash? Would this have prevented further bloodshed, or would the League of Shadows relentlessly pursued its desire to destroy Gotham regardless? The latter is the most likely scenario, but it’s a further instance of Batman’s actions having unforseen, potentially devastating consequences.

    The blue flower

    “There is a rare blue flower that grows on the eastern slopes. Pick one of these flowers. If you can carry it to the top of the mountain, you may find what you were looking for.”

    In Romanticism, the blue flower is a common symbol, representing love, inspiration and the unobtainable. That motif is slyly inverted in Batman Begins, where the blue flower is used first as a means of accessing the League of Shadows’ lair, and later synthesised by the same organisation to make the deadly hallucinogen mentioned in a previous section. The blue flower thus becomes a negative rather than positive symbol.

    The Dark Knight Rises reintroduces numerous ideas and images from Batman Begins. The ice of the League of Shadows’ Himalayan hideout has spread to Gotham, and in an echo of a scene in the first film, the city’s people are cruelly put to death by being forced out onto its frozen rivers.

    Beneath all the city-wide devastation and punch-ups, though, The Dark Knight Rises is about growing old, confronting trauma, and moving on. Like the Bruce Wayne of Frank Miller’s Dark Knight Returns books, this film’s protagonist is worn out, and reaching the point where he’s becoming incompatible with the public image he created. But by confronting his fear - embodied by both Bane and the prison he emerged from - Bruce finally sees a way to remove the mask and put the past behind him.

    Selina Kyle is another character looking for a new start, and she too goes through an abrupt transformation, from a criminal motivated by self-preservation to redeemed heroine.

    The Dark Knight Rises’ concluding scene has already provoked much debate, with some suggesting, including our own Simon Brew and Clothes On Film’s Chris Laverty, that Alfred’s sighting of Bruce, alive and well in a Tuscan cafe with Selina, may have been an Inception-like dream.

    While this is a compelling notion, I think there’s another possible interpretation. The blue dress Selina wears is markedly similar in shade to the flower Bruce picked in Batman Begins. Selina’s put her criminal past behind her - signified by the absence of black clothing she wore exclusively throughout the rest of the film. And with both she and Bruce having survived the events of The Dark Knight Rises, it seems that the Romantic symbol of the blue flower has reverted back to its original form - one of hope.

    Where the Batman saga goes from here is up to Warner Bros, but it’s fair to say The Dark Knight Rises’ conclusion leaves plenty of options open for future directors. As for Christopher Nolan, much has been made about his use of contemporary themes to bring his interpretation of Batman to life, and The Dark Knight Rises has inspired lengthy (and dare I say it, fruitless) debate about its references to the Occupy movement.

    For me, it's the depiction of a psychologically complex, fallible, flesh-and-blood Bruce Wayne that's Nolan's greatest achievement. Nolan dug deep into the comics to bring forth a human, relatable version of the character.

    The journey up to the light was long and hard, but Bruce Wayne has finally found what he was looking for all along - happiness and peace.

    For now, the Dark Knight rests.

    I never liked BB and it still ranks third in the trilogy for me but TDKR made me appreciate it more.All these callbacks such as to BB

    when young Bruce falls down that hole, Thomas Wayne descends to pull him out. That image, which is replayed in The Dark Knight Rises, is echoed by Ra's al Ghul and his men descending into the prison to rescue Bane at Talia's insistence.

    This makes another connection between Bane and Bruce. Both men are pulled from dark, traumatizing places that shaped them psychologically and, after contact with the League of Shadows, become larger-than-life symbols for their own specific ideals.

    There are so much more as shown in the article also Bane's dialogue was amazing at times I really like what he told Bruce in prison.

    Bane: Home, where I learned the truth about despair, as will you. There's a reason why this prison is the worst hell on earth...hope. Every man who has ventured here over the centuries has looked up to the light and imagined climbing to freedom. So easy...so simple...and like shipwrecked men turning to sea water from uncontrollable thirst, many have died trying. I learned here that there can be no true despair without hope. So, as I terrorize Gotham, I will feed its people hope to poison their souls. I will let them believe they can survive so that you can watch them clamoring over each other to 'stay in the sun.' You can watch me torture an entire city and when you have truly understood the depth of your failure, we will fulfill Ra's al Ghul's destiny...we will destroy Gotham and then, when it is done and Gotham is ashes, then you have my permission to die.

    This to me was the perfect ending to the trilogy.

    Awesome stuff. Comfounds me why some people didnt get what bane was trying to do when it was clearly said so in the prison by him.

    TDKR "Honest-Trailer"

    in The Speakeasy

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    :bravo: This was so long overdue, it made me wonder if the movie was receiving a free pass cause of the Aurora CO. incident??? Everything said about this is 100% true and proves that the movie just wasn't good and recived a free pass by the fans more for Nolan's filmography than anything...

    You really do make me crack up mate. Love it :rofl:
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