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with those numbers, 1mil admissions in Austria are a lock (already at 900k) and 10mil in Germany very hard to miss.
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740k for the weekend according to Mark_G; that's the 3rd best 5th weekend ever - and PiB2 and M3gan good, too!
(And, once more, Austrian numbers were even better)
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wow, that's an astonishing hold!
(also excellent for PiB, obviously)
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Saturday update from insidekino.de; no changes for A2 but M3gan lower and Puss higher than first estimates
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13 minutes ago, George Parr said:
First trend is up: http://www.insidekino.com/News.htm
#1 Avatar 2 675k (-40%)
#2 M3gan 170k
#3 Puss in Boots 2 150k (-41%)
#4 Operation Fortune 85k (-33%)
#5 The Banshees of Inisherin 60k (-1%)
wow, that's quite good for M3gan - it's starting without any competition but I was fearing a shortness of screens. And extremely good for Avatar3 of course, maybe 700k can indeed happen!
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16 minutes ago, Taruseth said:
Yeah, but Räuber Hotzenplotz (German-Swiss production) is doing somewhat better in Austria too.
That's in the usual range, maybe on the higher end - and dont't forget the lead is played by well-known Viennese actor Nicholas Ofczarek; that's why the movie got a lot of very favourable reviews and interviews here (much more than, say, Schule der magischen Tiere or other children's movies).
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4 hours ago, Taruseth said:
Right now Oskars Kleid seems to be the only exception.
while the language is similar, there's still some cultural differences between most of Germany and Austria - that's why many German productions don't sell as well here as on the home market. The exception is Bavaria - which is much more similar, from the cultural POV - and accordingly, Bavarian movies may do better business here than in overall Germany (but not better than in Bavaria, obviously ...). Last year's Guglhupfgeschwader had an impressive run in Germany (1,37mil total, best of the series), but that got dwarfed by its success in Austria where it crossed 300k admissions.
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Germany's Top20 last weekend:
title
admissions
th.
PTA
total adm.
total €
drop
week
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Avatar 2
1.132.880
739
1.533
6.510.435
87.516.932
+6
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Puss in Boots 2
255.013
633
403
997.853
8.392.480
+24
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Operation Fortune
125.947
480
262
142.615
1.344.431
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4
Der Räuber Hotzenplotz
99.033
710
139
654.143
4.756.232
+12
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Oskars Kleid
86.909
579
150
341.532
3.103.823
+14
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The Banshees of Inisherin
63.416
120
528
69.125
658.625
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Die Schule der magischen Tiere 2
54.644
381
143
2.529.556
18.496.566
+56
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I Wanna Dance with Somebody
48.621
430
113
209.826
2.122.378
+5
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Was man von hier aus sehen kann
37.069
143
259
93.218
831.775
+32
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Black Panther 2
18.954
182
104
1.496.801
16.979.479
-12
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Einfach mal was Schönes
16.336
282
58
606.317
5.606.997
-16
8
12
Hui Buh und das Hexenschloss
15.783
277
57
519.247
3.959.869
+8
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13
Belle & Sebastian 2
14.611
253
58
14.634
110.146
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Triangle of Sadness
13.708
126
109
429.881
4.127.266
+25
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15
Strange World
13.569
236
57
284.048
2.235.104
-1
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16
The Menu
12.396
130
95
307.477
2.891.647
+14
8
17
Die Mucklas...
11.594
167
69
270.027
1.906.503
+44
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She Said
11.109
121
92
121.904
1.107.407
+28
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Rheingold
10.172
97
105
991.601
9.845.635
+4
11
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Terrifier 2
9.796
157
62
93.824
994.812
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Wonderful weekend - nearly every release had some satisfying numbers! Operation Fortune opened much higher than the latest Guy Richie crime comedy, and The Banshees of Inisherin had a healthy PTA - as did Puss in Boots 2 which is making up for the depressed OW. And then there's Avatar 2 which is simply blowing everything out of the water - highest 4th weekend ever! 9mil total are a lock and 10mil in play … crazy! And congratulations to domestic children's book adaption Die Schule der magischen Tiere 2 which crossed 2,5mil total - a lot stronger than part 1 which was already considered a big success!
Once more, Austria's weekend was even better, Avatar is already past 700k here (the 4th weekend was actually its biggest to date), Puss and Fortune and Hotzenplotz were a lot stronger, too - so we had 4 releases >10k admissions.
Next weekend: Of course, with holidays now officially over, we have to get used to more "normal" numbers, but there's little doubt Avatar 2 will continue to draw in the crowds - can it come near 700k? The only "big" opener will be M3gan … and while there's no other horror release in theaters atm, there's very little breathing space in the evening - Top 3 would be a surprise.
As an aside - I have no idea what Disney is doing with Strange World … on a weekend where nearly every release increased (and family stuff even more so), this dropped again. Just sad.
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1 hour ago, Brainbug said:
Thats why i literally trained myself to watch movies in englisch in the OV as well as the german dub. Banes voice is a good example, its sometimes a bit hard to understand what Tom Hardy is mumbling, but the voice is just iconic.
in general, German dubbing leads to a much easier understandable movie - voices are mixed louder and music / background are a bit faded, compared to the original, plus most voice actors pronounce their text very clearly. It's extremely rare in a dubbed movie that you get mumbled or in any way hard-to-understand voices.
And yes, there are original shows with subtitles and ones without, those with usually in arthouses, those without in "normal" cinemas in cities with bigger english-speaking and/or student communities. At my cinema, Avatar2 as an example is playing 9 shows a day midweek and 10 Thu-Sun, and one show every day is the original version - sometimes in 3D on the biggest screen but also on smaller screens and 2D. As a rule, OVs are selling better per show, especially during opening week - but that's probably because there's so few of them so people get crammed in.
The Lord-of-the-Rings triple features every December are dubbed on the biggest screen and OV on a smaller one.
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50 minutes ago, titanic2187 said:
ATOW prove a lot of Europe markets still have it and are able to generate big sized gross but they just don't want the stuff that have been throwing at their face in the past decade.
maybe ... it's also possible that during the pandemic many people simply lost interest in the theatrical experience and are only slowly pulled back by big-scale events (No Time to Die, Maverick, Minions 2 and now Avatar 2). The fact that a few releases had actual increases last weekend might be a hint that movie-going as a possibility is back in people's awareness.
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4 hours ago, JustLurking said:
Incredible. Germany will end up being as impressive as France for this one 👀
As a small market, Austria often gets overlooked, but (as was the case with quite a few other releases last year, Maverick for instance) Avatar2 is doing even better here than in Germany; it should be around 800k after this weekend and 1mil total is a very safe bet - the "Diamond Ticket", a feat no release has managed in Austria since the original Avatar. (Ice Age 4 came close with about 950k admissions)
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3 hours ago, Aristis said:
For a long time now I too wonder why that is though - why Germany has such a bad cinema culture. And I thought maybe it has something to do with the propagandist role movies played in the Third Reich? That may seem a little far-fetched but I didn't find a satisfactory answer yet so maybe the answer indeed once again is: Hitler 👀
The Nazis might have something to do with it since a lot of artists - including directors, actors, writers and composers - had to leave (or simply left) Germany and Austria in the 30's. Classic Hollywood had a big German-speaking community - Fritz Lang, Petter Lorre, Billy Wilder, Erich Korngold, Michael Curtiz ...
https://www.filmportal.de/thema/die-emigration-filmschaffender-waehrend-des-nationalsozialismus
There's also another effect at work I think - and that was after the Third Reich. Movies and comics were considered "lesser" arts (if art at all) and as such got less recognition. The German Feuilleton had a pretty snobby approach to these ... which has changed only in recent decades (concerning comics, the recognition as "real" art only happened in the 21st century here)
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as expected, estimates went up, for all releases:
#1: Avatar2 - 1000k
#2: PiB2 - 250k
#3: Fortune - 135k
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33 minutes ago, Taruseth said:
900k from that is pretty much exactly the same multi as Rogue One got.
which means that Avatar 2 will probably come in around 1mil with actuals 😜
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verrry nice weekend coming, and now other releases are catching up a bit, too. Also good opening for Fortune, much better than Gentlemen iirc
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A-, 8/10 ...
spectacular visuals, very simple plot which is definitely not filling the running time. I'd prefer this movie to be at least 30min shorter (or spend those 30min developing the kid's characters) but overall, an enjoyable cinematic experience. Despite CPU time getting cheaper all the time, this is way ahead of other CGI-heavy movies.
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Germany's Top16 last weekend:
title
admissions
th.
PTA
total adm.
total €
drop
week
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Avatar 2
1.067.150
737
1.448
4.716.276
63.488.134
+45
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Puss in Boots 2
206.072
613
336
566.575
4.795.187
+70
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Der Räuber Hotzenplotz
88.794
723
123
475.497
3.468.588
+101
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Oskars Kleid
75.985
526
144
195.501
1.785.398
+93
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5
I Wanna Dance with Somebody
46.394
408
114
129.749
1.307.275
+98
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Die Schule der magischen Tiere 2
35.050
382
92
2.441.302
17.862.994
+246
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Was man von hier aus sehen kann
28.004
124
226
32.266
287.609
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Black Panther 2
21.475
204
105
1.462.067
16.623.074
+52
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9
Einfach mal was Schönes
19.527
360
54
575.915
5.331.545
+134
7
10
Hui Buh und das Hexenschloss
14.644
308
48
491.033
3.750.782
+154
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11
Strange World
13.676
307
45
257.752
2.039.143
+40
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12
Triangle of Sadness
10.950
132
115
407.349
3.906.383
+201
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13
Teddybjørnens jul
10.950
309
35
232.249
1.652.245
-54
7
14
The Menu
10.858
155
70
286.813
2.699.080
+99
7
15
Rheingold
9.804
99
99
974.551
9.714.309
+15
10
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She Said
8.700
158
55
101.010
915.037
+69
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Wow, some good numbers - Avatar 2 is laying down a bid for 9mil total or more, Puss in Boots 2 is having the numbers I expected for OW and domestic longrunner Die Schule der magischen Tiere 2 quintupled last week's numbers and has a chance at 2,5mil. total! Not too shabby for the only decent opener either (I wasn't aware this got so few theaters …).
Next weekend: No big openers as the holiday season closes; The Banshees Of Inisherin comes with critical acclaim but few expectations and the latest Guy Ritchie crime comedy Operation Fortune: Ruse De Guerre will probably see some mild success, but Avatar 2 will continue to dominate the market all evening long which makes it really hard for other grown-up releases to survive.
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1 hour ago, Brainbug said:
Exciting stuff! Means that our box office not totally dead and buried yet.
Really exciting, yes - but otoh, there's such an overall lack of appealing releases over the holidays, that's hard to swallow. right now, it's Avatar or nothing it seems, and that's a bit sad - since summer, we've seen a lot of especially domestic releases doing surprisingly good business, and that's obviously over with Avatar grabbing nearly the whole evening and many afternoons, too.
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happy new year everyone and to a better BO and many fine runs!
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The way it's holding up, 8mil admissions total is the lower limit I'd say. 9mil possible and 10mil at least not impossible! Even if holidays will end, there's simply no to very little competition on the horizon, it will keep the bigger and biggest screens all through January and on. Mid-Feb there will be Antman3 but Antman was not very big here.
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early weekend estimates for Germany from insidekino.de:
#1: Avatar 2 - 900k admissions (+22%)
#2: Puss in Boots 2 - 200k (+65%)
#3: Hotzenplotz - 90k (+203% !!)
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7 hours ago, Taruseth said:
So maybe it can increase on the weekend.
that's pretty much a given, even Rogue One increased a bit on the comparable weekend; the question is if it can reach 1mil again.
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Germany's Top14 last weekend:
title
admissions
th.
PTA
total adm.
total €
drop
week
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Avatar 2
735.252
737
998
2.547.800
34.733.093
-36
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Puss in Boots 2
120.980
606
200
149.080
1.257.500
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Der Räuber Hotzenplotz
44.285
708
63
299.694
2.176.588
-42
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Oskars Kleid
39.434
512
77
40.964
379.038
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5
Teddybjørnens jul
23.777
565
42
201.159
1.307.921
-13
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I Wanna Dance with Somebody
23.432
382
61
38.979
385.896
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Black Panther 2
14.099
221
64
1.418.414
16.181.897
-56
7
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Die Schule der magischen Tiere 2
10.118
391
26
2.383.567
17.441.560
-53
13
9
Violent Night
9.892
238
42
150.985
1.451.454
-59
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10
Strange World
9.774
328
30
229.425
1.821.062
-68
5
11
Rheingold
8.553
109
78
957.070
9.580.218
-34
9
12
Einfach mal was Schönes
8.333
391
21
536.384
4.972.751
-71
6
13
Hui Buh und das Hexenschloss
5.768
327
18
464.274
3.550.419
-61
8
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The Menu
5.444
164
33
265.385
2.504.884
-62
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Massive weekend for Avatar 2, so-so for every other release. Strange World <10k admissions in week 5, what's become of Disney Animation?! Puss in Boots 2 stayed behind my expectations … as did the Withney Houston biopic.
In Austria, once more, better and/or different numbers … Avatar 2 is already past 320k admissions here, Puss-in-Boots opened within my expectations (24k), so much better, and Strange World had an increase and should be somewhere around 40k by now, nearly 75% ahead of Germany. I Wanna Dance flopped equally hard, though.
Next weekend: No big openers but with the low levels we're seeing atm (except Avatar of course) even a small release like domestic bestseller adaption Was man von hier aus sehen kann might make it into the top 5! Of course, general business should be much better, we'll see some healthy increases, some releases should more than double this weekend's numbers.
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WOM seems excellent, this should be the biggest 24th-on-a-Sunday weekend ever! Sadly, onle one other release >50k ...
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BO Germany/Austria: Dune first 2024 blockbuster (3mil admissions)
in International Box Office
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about 70k last weekend (3day), actuals are 2 weeks later in Austria