Johnny Tran
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4 hours ago, TomThomas said:
So Aquaman 2 is not huge bomb anymore?
It's not a huge bomb, but it's a bomb. Like a grenade. The Flash and The Marvels were like a nuke.
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Not sure if Rom coms are back it could be that Sydney Sweeney has developed a following.
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1 hour ago, Napoleon said:
We DC fans should be allowed to call Aquaman 2 a hit because it’s doing twice as much as people thought it would do. If profitability is what matters than we need to have a conversation about BVS being considered a failure. You can’t have it both ways.
Well that's a tricky thing... I don't want to relitigate BvS of all movies but if you judge it by pure box office results, it made them money, it probably made them a lot of money.
But it didn't make them what they WANTED and then they continued to mess around with the formula and etc... and the rest is history..
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If KOTFM garners a bunch of Oscar nominations and drives people to Apple, I think you can still say it's a "box office flop" but it will have made up for that in other ways.
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'The Flash' + 'The Marvels' = $480M
'Aquaman 2' = $375M-$400M
That's what I mean there are "levels" to flops...
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'The Iron Claw' has some issues but overall it's very good and I would definitely recommend it.
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What's up with all these qualifiers I'm seeing "Thanks to Christmas" and "lucky it's the holidays"
Do we ever say "this movie was lucky it was released in the Summer"?
Movies are slotted where they are for a reason. Some release dates don't make sense but in general, the studios understand what movies need to be put where to maximize the outcome.
Some are better as Summer releases, some are better off as Holiday releases.. There's no "luck" involved.
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1 hour ago, MightyDargon said:
If you think Aquaman actually cost 205 mil with all the reshoots and reedits I have beachfront property in Kansas to sell you.
And this post proves my point even further. You have nothing, no source or anything other than you WANTING it to have cost more.
That's not how this works. If it's reported as costing more then we can go with the new number.
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2 hours ago, MightyDargon said:
Aquaman DID objectively bomb, only got "saved" by the Christmas release, will still lose boatloads of money thanks to reshoots, and is only getting talked up here now because it's not The Marvels.
It's a sequel to a billion dollar grosser that's struggling to outpace Migration. And it's eating up screens that could go to objectively better movies.
You're only upset about the discourse because it's outperforming 'The Marvels' so who is worse in this situation? Nobody is really "talking it up..."
Everyone knows it bombed. But there are levels to bombs and it's not at the bottom.
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11 minutes ago, Truckasaurus said:
I mean, it's still doing terribly, lol. I don't think we should be looking for any positives about this performance, just let it die peacefully.
(This is about Aquaman 2, btw, not The Iron Claw)if the budget is actually $200M it's not even going to be a top 5 flop of the year
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7 hours ago, DAJK said:
Iron Claw is some good stuff. Hoping Efron can sneak into that 5th spot Best Actor nomination, even though I wouldn’t bet on it happening.
Hope more people turn out for it. Would love to see 30M+ for it.
We loved it except for one casting choice and you probably know which one I'm talking about. It's later in the movie. Aside from that it's a good movie, the rest of the casting was great, acting was great... all of it. Efron deserves some recognition.
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11 hours ago, dallas said:
Yeah ngl I think Jat is being pretty pessimistic here. I think Aquaman should definitely hit $80M by Jan 1 and ~$100M finish
Sour grapes.
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57 minutes ago, M37 said:
More like $350M give or take. Already over halfway to $250M after 4 days, a whole holiday week to come
I'm expecting 2.0x legs. It'll probably crater to oblivion. But your predictions are better than mine.
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13 minutes ago, CJohn said:
We all know what it says: theaters are dead.
If Aquaman somehow crawls to 400M+ WW I won't even consider it a flop but instead a victim of the biggest mismanagement of all time.
It's probably going to be more like $250M.
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4 minutes ago, Giorno said:
$205m seems hard to believe considering the reshoots + covid delays and cameos, the first one cost 200m according to Deadline iirc
That's the number that's out, anything else would be pure speculation.
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Aquaman 2 is a 'disaster' and yet will not be in the top 3 disasters of 2023. What does that say?
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1 hour ago, DAJK said:
15M increase from estimates? That’s pretty good.
I think they might be including yesterday in that?
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43 minutes ago, dallas said:
Is this good?
Considering the production budget is I believe around $200M then I would say absolutely not but it will avoid being the biggest bomb of the year.
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I read WB spent less than half the marketing on Aquaman 2 as they did for the first one. True?
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4 hours ago, Mulder said:
I feel like Avatar's pop culture impact has showed itself more with Way of Water and after. People just don't talk about it over and over because Cameron's kept it to the movies, two games no one played, and comics no one reads and honestly that's fine.
I think arguments online are an important piece for something to be beloved. People these days feel like they have to choose a side and with Avatar there's really not much of an argument from anyone. Everyone agrees that the technical achievements are insane and everyone agrees that the story is "ok". There's nobody throwing water on it, no pun intended and there's nobody really hyping up the characters and story. It's mostly middle ground discussions which leads to a sense of "apathy" even though it's success is out of this world.
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8 hours ago, Mulder said:
Wonka's doing good but I gotta agree with Clay that 200 is fine but not some mindblowing number. Most us were thinking 150-200 and it'll fall on that. Good result, not insane. As for Aquaman honestly if it hits 90, 100, 110, or 120 it's abysmal still. This thing had several reshoots and a ton of CGI, it cost a lot of money.
1. I wouldn't say "most" thought it was going to do fine because after the first trailer came out a lot of people were saying nobody was going to care about Wonka.
2. Aquaman was dead when WB/DC announced the reboot. In hindsight, maybe it was a mistake to announce the reboot before all of these titles came out but another part of me feels they really had no choice. But it's clear that the announcement killed off any anticipation that might have been left for this version of a shared universe.
Merry Christmas BOT by the way!
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9 hours ago, Cmasterclay said:
The hype around Wonka's legs is like the BOT version of a pyramid scheme. It's doing fine. It could hit 200, it's probably about even odds if not better. But that's it. A nice enough total with solid legs from a solid opening. Nothing particularly special about this run or its legs.
Isn't it doing well internationally? Not that I've looked too deep into it but I've seen people praising it's projected total. Why are you so down on it?
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As much of a bomb as this the Aquaman sequel is, it still looks like it's going to surpass the worldwide total of The Marvels. Deadline has the weekend projected at $120M.
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Anyway, we decided to go see 'The Iron Claw' as we quite like wrestling and a couple minor historical inaccuracies aside, this was pretty well done. Most of the characters were so close to their real life counterparts. There's a couple that were a miss. I don't want to spoil anything but it's a good movie. Well acted. It's very sad though of course.
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Fuck that. I prefer it this way. There's at least 4-5 movies out that I'm interested in right now as compared to one blockbuster taking up everything.
The total box office last December and this December is the exact same
Also, maybe Marvel should make good movies?