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    Fanboy Wars Thread: Personal Attacks not allowed | With Digital Fur Technology

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    11 minutes ago, Talkie said:

    As for Cap taking responsibility for allowing Crossbones to set off the explosion, that never happened. Stopping Ross from showing the photos of Sokovia and Lagos was not the same as explaining the real circumstances in which his inaction led to the disaster. (Wanda was responsible for the destruction of Sokovia and Hulk's deadly rampage in Johannesburg, however.) There is no excuse for Steve not making his involvement clear and no reason to assume he wouldn't be believed. He is Captain America, after all, a man whose honesty and moral probity are legendary (and mythical). He certainly should have tried to change the public's perception of Wanda as a dangerous weapon instead of leaving her vulnerable to being attacked out of fear. Cap only made Wanda's predicament infinitely worse by sending Clint to "free" her from the compound. She was clearly reluctant to leave, and ended up locked in a cell with a freaking shock collar around her neck like an animal for her efforts. Much good Steve Rogers' compassion did for her when all was said and done.

     

    Steve literally says what happened with Crossbones was on him to Wanda herself when they were talking in her bedroom. And the scene with Ross showing them all the footage wasn't meant to be about them all arguing over who bore exactly what responsibility over what, so I don't see why Steve would bring that up in that manner. There simply isn't enough shown to know what even happened with the publicity aftermath with Lagos, so blaming everything on Steve is a reach.

     

    As is claiming he "forced" her to join the battle; last I checked he wasn't even there, Clint was. Wanda's powerful enough to not go if she doesn't want to, she was reluctant because of what Vision had been saying to her about people being scared of her, which is why she said that she can't control others' fear, only her own.

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    Fanboy Wars Thread: Personal Attacks not allowed | With Digital Fur Technology

    in Box Office Discussion

    Posted

    4 hours ago, PPZVGOS said:

    But the most obvious absurdity about the whole premise of Civil War is that the civilian losses from New York (Avengers) Washington DC (CA: Winter Soldier) Sokovia (Ultron) and Lagos (Civil War) are deemed as unacceptable or as the fault of the Avengers themselves. Any collateral damage that occurred in the first Avengers movies completely pales into comparison with the magnitude of the threat, a full-scale alien invasion, led by an inter-dimensional Hitler and his army of monsters. Hell, it was SHIELD/USG that was willing to NUKE New York in order to contain the fallout. How was it acceptable for the government to turn the world's most important metropolis into radioactive wasteland, but is unacceptable if a few hundred/thousand people die in order to save the entire planet? The Washington events were 100% the fault of the USG and other allies who were financing SHIELD for decades and approved its programs. Cap & Widow in fact saved humanity one more time. The Sokovia disaster was the only one that could be blamed on the Avengers, namely Stark & Banner who created Ultron in the first place, even if unintentionally. The Avengers still cleaned-up in the end. The Lagos incident was more than minor, and even then, Scarlet Witch did the right thing because of the bomb had exploded in its original position then the losses would have been far greater. 

    Is it absurd, though? Personally I've had many, many conversations over the past few months about this, and I'm with you on the Avengers not being to blame for the deaths, but plenty of people see it very differently (as evidenced in replies after you posted). I think that's my favourite thing about the movie, people are utterly convinced that their side is completely right and it's totally black and white, while having completely different opinions. If anything it shows how well done it was that people think the answer is obvious while not agreeing in the slightest.

     

    2 hours ago, 4815162342 said:

     

    Well with regards to the claims and allegations made by General Thaddeus "The Hypocritical Thunderbolt" Ross, none of them can be laid at the "Avengers" feet.

     

    New York was a SHIELD/US Government screwup that the Avengers fixed for them, before the World Council could overreact and nuke one of the largest cities in the world before a single army unit even deployed on-scene.

     

    Sokovoia was a Tony/Banner screwup, so ok, blame them, but they acted independently from the Avengers. Furthermore, Tony and Banner were not acting as Iron Man or Hulk, but as two scientists in a scientific experiment. This was not a Hulk rampage or an Iron Man suit malfunction, but something hardly unique to an Avenger: Science, the thing countless people in the world practice.

     

    Blaming Scarlet Witch for Lagos is the same as blaming a bomb squad for failing to disarm a bomb in time. She contained the blast and tried to remove it from the area, but lost control before she could complete it. It's tragic and sad, but not blameworthy at all.

    ITA, and it's also no coincidence that Ross was the face of the Accords, Mr You Guys Need To Take Responsibility (Meanwhile I Created The Abomination That Trashed Harlem And Now I'm Secretary of State. Yay Accountability). Dude has a history of wanting to control enhanced people, so bringing him back to push the law that would allow direct governing of them and using dehumanising language like calling Thor and Hulk megaton nukes was a stroke of brilliance, as well as tying TIH into the MCU a bit more. If I were an Avenger I'd refuse to sign and then wait for them to come grovelling to me for help when the next alien invasion that regular forces aren't equipped in the slightest to fight hits.

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    ROGUE ONE WEEKEND THREAD | Actuals R1 155.09m, Moana 12.7m, OCP 8.58m, CB 7.1m, FB 5.07m

    in Numbers and Data

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    Well I just got back from my Saturday night IMAX showing, it was pretty full (I saw people in the very front row. Yikes @ the thought of that), and afterwards people clapped a bit, so that was cool.

     

    @AABATTERY

    Still the same crappy previews I got at the midnight showing, so yeah, they're not changing them for at least a few weeks. Why these morons aren't putting the second GotG Vol 2 trailer before the film is beyond me.

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    Fanboy Wars Thread: Personal Attacks not allowed | With Digital Fur Technology

    in Box Office Discussion

    Posted

    11 minutes ago, TalismanRing said:

    I can't believe I'm saying this, but I think WB should movie JL further away from Ragnarok. 

     

    If the two directors, not to mention studios/universes, receive their typical critical response then JL opening just two weeks later b.o. could be deflated

     

    I can't see them giving up the week before Thanksgiving and the further it gets away from Thor the closer it gets to Star Wars.  Opening it the first week of August and giving it the GOTG/SS slot might serve it better.

     

     

     

    IA. IIRC this is the closest that MCU/DECU films will be released, and it won't do either of them any favours, and particularly not JL with the reception the DCEU has gotten so far. I do think it looks good, but so did SS, and I hated that more than BvS. The August release date is a good idea (I'm saying this without having looked at the schedule for other films though), and would give plenty of time for both JL and Ragnarok to be able to have their own room to breathe. 

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    DOCTOR STRANGE | 445.1 M overseas ● 677.7 M worldwide

    in International Box Office

    Posted

    1 hour ago, elcaballero said:

    And Thor 2 was a sequel for an established character.

     

    Not to mention it was coming off IM3 which came off The Avengers, so if that had been a decent movie it could've done so much better.

     

    Those are awesome numbers for Strange though, and I'm eager to see how it'll do in China since Ant-man made US$105m, so I'm sure this can at least match that, if not do better.

    Fanboy Wars Thread: Personal Attacks not allowed | With Digital Fur Technology

    in Box Office Discussion

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    12 hours ago, filmlover said:

    I thought a Black Widow movie never happened because it would've required completely redoing ScarJo's contract.

     

    Rumour is Scarlett's contract is for three Avengers films, one possible Black Widow film, and then she negotiates any other appearances, like in Winter Soldier and Civil War. So the opposition likely came from Perlmutter because he's a tool.

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