Ororo Munroe
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12 minutes ago, JustLurking said:
Considering you couldn't even see Barbie topping Mario DOM and questioned whether it would even get to 500M I'm not sure why you're making fun of the guy(s...?) who thought it could do Top Gun numbers. They still weren't as wrong on this film film as you were.
Mind you, this was back before the first week was even over. Sue me for not yet being convinced it was going to do those numbers way back then. Safe to say, most weren't predicting that. Hardly the same as making claims about it doing TGM numbers weeks after it was already showing weaker legs. That was nothing more than wishful thinking.
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28 minutes ago, eeetooki said:
How many IMAX screens will Barbie get? All of them exclusive for a period of time or?
I guess no one knows which is why its funny to see people talking about numbers being locked. Then again, some were claiming weeks ago (even before the IMAX announcement) that Barbie would do Top Gun numbers when there were no signs of that. Lol
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1 minute ago, grim22 said:
You seem to like underestimating Barbie and giving it's holds which may I remind you were sub 40 a full 2 weekends before your supposed boosts of NCD and Labor Day even come into play. 650 is pretty much locked and 660 is the play.
From what I've noticed, you seem to like overestimating giving it a few extra million when clearly it hasn't been holding that well. With IMAX it may very well reach 650 but it was never locked for 650, certainly not before that announcement.
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57 minutes ago, 1Robert1 said:
After labor day tdk stayed in cinemas for more than half year, if barbie will stay as long with imax boost it will definetely win with JW.
Streaming is coming for Barbie. Lol And it will be interesting to see exactly how much IMAX will add. We might be overestimating especially if it's limited.
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19 minutes ago, BoxOfficeFangrl said:
Willow's Daytime Emmy nominations are for Red Table Talk, not for acting. A person can be a good talk show host but terrible at acting (Kelly Clarkson).
When Willow was much younger Will planned for the Annie remake to be a star vehicle for Willow. She aged out of the role and since then her filmography only has a few voiceover roles. Willow seems much more interested in music but on her own terms.
Jaden had some talent at acting as a kid (very natural in The Pursuit of Happyness and Karate Kid was a hit) but After Earth was beyond his abilities and that was the end of his "leading man" push.
Will and Jada came up because I was replying to a post that said Denzel would never help JDW get cast in The Piano Lesson if he didn't think his son had the talent for it. Maybe he'll get nominated for the movie, maybe not: we'll see.
Anyway, I was pointing out how the Smiths are big stars who pushed their kids into the limelight at young ages, and into a field (acting) they ultimately lacked much interest in pursuing...and where Jaden won Worst Actor at the Razzies as a teenager. The Razzies are terrible, but a lot of A-listers shield their kids from limelight and bar them from professional gigs until they're adults to protect them the scrutiny.
To be clear, I didn't say it's something Denzel would never do. I don't know Denzel. Lol I said I don't think he would and that's based on how he's conducted himself not just as an actor but as a director and producer.
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Unless Barbie starts to drop better than it did before the last two inflated weekends then 660 is definitely more on the optimistic side. I would think 650 with IMAX is more likely, maybe it could get to 660 if IMAX does even better. But this will be late September. Not sure the numbers can really go that big.
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39 minutes ago, BoxOfficeFangrl said:
Yeah most up-and-coming actors won't live up to Denzel's legacy, but most aren't his actual son and don't face constant comparisons (fair or not). JDW can't help who his parents are and is his own person, but some will say, yeah, but most young actors don't get an early in with Spike Lee because of their movie star dad, either. The benefits of nepotism also come with drawbacks.
Denzel's daughter Olivia also acts and has appeared in some of his projects, but hasn't gotten the same hype as her brother. I've wondered if it's external reasons, like Hollywood doesn't think she has "the look" they like to push with women, or if she just can't act or something. Some celebrities will be honest about their kids' limitations--Idris Elba's real life daughter auditioned to play his daughter in Beast but he said the chemistry was off and picked someone else--but then you had Will and Jada pushing their kids into leading roles despite questionable abilities. Denzel seems more self-aware than the Smiths, at least.
Well yes if we're specifically talking about Black actors. Otherwise JDW fits right in with many white actors who either benefit from nepotism, whiteness and/or having the privilege of working with big name directors who wouldn't think of hiring Black or POC leads.
Olivia is a great example of how nepotism can only take you so far, even if you're talented. I've seen Denzel praise her and she's gotten good reviews for her performance in I'm A Virgo but she was never going to be a star because she doesn't fit Hollywood's beauty standards.
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I didn't even read the full tweet but what evidence is there that this is following TGM? Lol Its been showing weaker legs for some time now.
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19 hours ago, BoxOfficeFangrl said:
Just spitballing some theories, not necessarily my own feelings about JDW:
- Pop culture is in an anti-nepotism moment with actors. Any actor deemed as getting "unfair" opportunities faces internet scorn.
- John David is naturally compared to his father and to detractors, he doesn't measure up in talent or charisma.
- He doesn't really resemble his dad and is noticeably shorter which shouldn't matter, but it probably does in an underlying way, as contempt for shorter men still seems socially acceptable for some reason. Not that JDW is even short by Hollywood actor standards, but it's maybe another (unconscious) way he might be seen as "less than" Denzel. IMO Kiefer Sutherland escaped that stigma by having a distinctive voice and different energy than his actor father.
- But John David does have a similar speaking voice to his father and is IMO still faiirly nice looking, leaving the reality of him sort of frustrating to naysayers. Like, if Denzel was going to have an actor son, a "Denzel Jr", his fans probably wish he'd have either turned out a total Denzel clone in looks/talents, or else had been just as charismatic but in a wholly different way: brilliant at comedy or impressions, a breakout musical role, etc.
- As it is, John David has done multiple roles where people think young/current Denzel would have been so much better.
tl;dr JDW gets hate from people who think Denzel is amazing and are so disappointed by how mid they find his son.
I can understand this perspective but at the same time, it's pretty myopic. How many actors under 40 have even half as much charisma, talent or are as compelling to watch as Denzel? Feels like we vastly underestimate his legacy by expecting any of these younger actors to be as good, son or not. Denzel was responsible for JDW being cast in The Piano Lesson btw and yeah we can say "nepotism" but I don't think Denzel would have cast him if he didn't think he would do a good job.
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3 hours ago, Jonwo said:
I can envision Denzel in a Nolan film and perhaps a Spielberg film but Scorsese and PTA, no chance!
No chance? PTA himself said he wanted to work with Denzel. Lol
I don't need to see Denzel work with any of these directors, honestly. His legacy has long been solidified. But it would be really cool to see him work with Nolan, as a fan of both.
3 hours ago, Firepower said:Didn't he already?
I don't get the beef with JDW. He's a decent actor to me. I've watched him in 5 different projects and the only bad performance imo was Malcolm and Marie but to frank, nothing about that was good, not even Zendaya's performance. He just got good reviews for his performance in The Piano Lesson on Broadway and the movie adaptation is coming, likely next year. I'm looking forward to it. Great cast.
Ummm, I noticed Deadline did not alter its 4 day estimate for Barbie. Do they think WB is overestimating again?
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37 minutes ago, 1Robert1 said:
Since many many days Barbie was on course to finish around 630 now with NCD and Labor Day it should do a little better, if Imax will add 20m it will finish over 650, if IMAX will add 15m it may need valentine days/oscars re-release.
20M seems like a stretch to me given that this is happening late september but who knows. Depending on when its announced to debut on streaming, that could affect its late legs as well.
Dicaprio, Pitt and every other A-list white actor has gotten to work with directors who rarely, if ever, cast Black leads (lets be real) so not exactly a fair comparison.
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5 minutes ago, MovieMan89 said:
True, which maybe is the case since his 90s roles were so much better on the whole. But also hard to believe he would have just been getting scraps these past 25 years or so for choices considering how iconic his rep has been for all of this century.
He's been in some good movies this century, believe it or not. Frank Lucas/American Gangster is one of his most iconic "characters"/performances and that happened this century. There's a reason his rep remains iconic.
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3 minutes ago, MovieMan89 said:
Nah, this has been a recurring thing for him this whole century. Even some of his best performances are in somewhat mid movies (hello training day). Obviously he doesn’t need to “prove” anything, but I have never understood why he doesn’t take better roles overall. Except that he has been oddly married to Fuqua forever, who frankly, isn’t a great director on the whole (Man on Fire though >>>).
This whole century? That's a lot of movies but ok, not really interested in debating quality. Lol He can only take better roles if they're offered.
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I see 650M is still not locked for Barbie (sorry have to point that out for those who chastised me lol). I guess playing in IMAX for a week could potentially get it there though.
31 minutes ago, MovieMan89 said:If only he would do films that match his talent/give him a challenge. I have never seen such an S tier actor do so much B tier stuff than Denzel
Denzel is nearly 70 years old and has proven himself multiple times over, why does he need a challenge? But also, are any of these celebrated directors offering up scripts to Denzel? I know maybe a year or two ago, he mentioned that he had talks with PTA, McQueen, Cuarón but PTA is the only one I can think of who's even talked about wanting to work with Denzel. I highly doubt he's turning down great scripts so I would question why he isn't being offered better, if anything.
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Not into the comparisons but I loved Minari, should have won best picture imo.
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EEAAO is a truly original film and not a blockbuster which worked in its favor. Barbie being a blockbuster and being called BARBIE will work against it. I think it will get a bunch of noms but no wins in the major categories, except for maybe screenplay.
CODA is my second favorite BP win of the last decade, honestly (behind Moonlight). An unpretentious, feel good movie winning is refreshing once in awhile. I would not put it in the same category as Green Book, which is truly one of the worst BP wins.
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2 hours ago, Cheddar Please said:
Oh no I agree, I feel like a lot people here, myself especially, tend to miss the forest for the trees. I just don't like it when people frame box office performances in a way that really doesn't stand up
What doesn’t stand up exactly? It’s pretty much fact that Barbie needs sub 40s drops to hit 650 or more yeah? That’s not something we can just assume will happen. If it doesn’t happen this week then it’s even less likely to happen next weekend with a new opener likely taking screens yeah? The idea that it might not hit 650 should not be unfathomable.
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10 minutes ago, vale9001 said:
Let's say it became annoying when you were team "First weekend 155 and 300M Total" . Now the movie Will touch 530M on just the 4th weekend but somehow your narrative Is still day by day "this movie is always under people exptections" 🤣.
This doesn't even make sense. Lol Sorry my narrative isn't "650 locked, it can beat TGM!" 😂
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6 minutes ago, Cheddar Please said:
You do realize that drops don't happen in a vacuum right? How a movie performs is in fact impacted by the circumstances surrounding it, such as competition, lack of screens, etc. Barbie's first and second weekends had different circumstances surrounding them, not to mention that a 40% hold in the first weekend is much more impressive than a 40% hold in let's say the fifth weekend.
Also, your tone isn't doing you any favors in this discussion
Ok and I don't think that negates anything I said. Some people thought it could get a sub 40s drop last weekend despite the competition which is fine but it didn't happen. I try not to assume anything one way or another. Again my post was about if it does have another similar drop, which would be a pattern.
My tone wouldn't be an issue without the accusations that I'm "guilty" of something. I don't think not being as optimistic about a movie as someone else should have people so bothered but here we are.
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9 minutes ago, Cheddar Please said:
Barbie has more than a month of essentially no competition outside of Blue Beetle, so I don't know where you're getting the impression that Barbie's legs will suddenly start falling off a cliff.
Also "Last week was 43%" is not indicative of a pattern. In fact, it's not indicative of much of anything other than that Barbie has very above average legs (better than The Avengers' 50% drop may I add), especially given that last week was the most competition Barbie will likely face in its entire run. The established trend, or "pattern" is that with a lack of upcoming competition, we would expect Barbie's holds to improve in the following weeks rather than decrease.
As a final note you have also been guilty of consistently underestimating this movie, such as questioning whether 600m was locked far after most other people in the know had already accepted that to be the case.
This is funny because I'm talking about what is (over 40% drops two weeks in a row) and you're talking about what may happened based on lack of competition. Lol If Barbie can manage a sub 40s this week, then it won't be a pattern and the numbers could very well go up. My post was based on if it has another drop of 40% or more, which I think would qualify as a pattern.
Oh the horror of being "guilty" of thinking a movie isn't locked before it actually is locked. 😂 Being doubtful gets more ire than unrealistic over predictions, like those who just couldn't see how it wouldn't achieve a 100M second weekend. Lol!
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3 minutes ago, Cheddar Please said:
Last week Barbie had to contend with two ~30m openers and it still held at 40%, therefore Avengers territory and 40%+ drops is currently the lower bound, as there is no reason to expect that Barbie would hold worse than Avengers going forward giving that it has held better thus far.
Last week was 43% and unless/until the pattern changes, Avengers territory is a realistic expectation. Avengers also had the benefit of falling into peak summer late into its run whereas Barbies legs will likely not be as strong going forward.
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4 minutes ago, vale9001 said:
hitting at least 500M, not exactly 500M 😁
What's your point? Lol
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2 hours ago, Mojoguy said:
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That would likely mean a drop of 40, 41%. IJS. Lol If so, a pattern has definitely developed where Barbie has strong Mondays/weekdays (though that will lessen more as schools start back) and softer Fri/Sat jumps. It could very well end up in Avengers territory, around 620-625.
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650/750 would put Barbie at 1.4B. How much are people expecting it to make in Japan? Lol
Weekdays Thread | #WED - E3 $2.03M, Barbie $720K, GT $430K, BB $345K
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This is funny because I'm never the one to go after anyone first. I only make reference to what others have predicted after they feel the need to call me out as if they were personally insulted by my opinion. If only you thought it was equally as silly for people to get offended by others saying numbers aren't locked... Anyhow, at the same time I said 600 wasn't guaranteed I said it would cross that mark but 650 was not locked and that was true yet some took offense. Without IMAX, my prediction of 620-625 would be more accurate than those claiming 650 was locked and 700 was in play. And I would rather be one who shows caution and allows a movie to give proof of what it can make rather than giving premature over predictions.