Ororo Munroe
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Forgot this was still the weekday thread. Lol Nevermind.
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9 minutes ago, lorddemaxus said:
Yeah, but that's not going bring people in. If Nolan made TDKR after TDK instead of Inception, I don't think he'd be as a big as he right now. Coogler had the chance to ride the Black Panther wave and make an original project. The reason I said Coogler should've ditched Marvel after Black Panther is because he got himself caught in a terrible situation regarding the development of the sequel that took all his time during when he could've been developing a project of his own.
But I mean, Coolger might be happy with the Marvel money and doesn't really care about making other films, idk.
I absolutely do not buy that about Nolan. He was on his way to becoming big and I don't think it really matters if Inception came before or after. Coogler may not be directing other movies right now but he is producing. Either way, it reads as disingenuous to me to say he should have ditched Marvel. He is not just another Marvel director regardless because Black Panther was not just another Marvel movie. People who aren't that into Marvel movies know who he is.
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13 minutes ago, lorddemaxus said:
Eh, Coogler could've made a name for himself if he ditched the Marvel system after making Black Panther. Nolan didn't get to where he is just cuz of TDK. Its also because he made Inception right after. Coogler could've made another movie starring MBJ and I think it would've made a lot of money. I think it's too late to ride that wave now.
Nolan still made 3 Batman movies. Why should Coogler ditch Marvel/Black Panther after one? He has already made name for himself anyway. "From director Ryan Coogler" is a thing.
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3 minutes ago, vale9001 said:
Yes It's not like this had a teaser trailer with a Kubrick joke. This Is the First idea every producer on Hollywood has about a Barbie movie lol
The teaser sold the movie, the mistery about how this movie could have been made the difference.
This movie Is now discussed as a Greta gerwig movie in the way get out was discussed as a Jordan peele movie.
The fact gerwig has already 2 oscar best picture nominated movies, with a 3/3 probably coming, and the fact she's gonna make 1.5b with a concept could have been a 400m movie in other hands (against a director has a 255m peak in his career) made her more important than Jordan peele actually.
You're so obsessed with originality and ips. Who cares?.
Being able to take a concept could be a 300m movie and making It a 1.5 B movie Is way more important for Hollywood than making 200m with an original movie.
Who cares about originality vs IPs? Really? The very reason Hollywood keeps pushing remakes, sequels, prequels of well known properties is because of how much they make. So many original ideas never even get made or the movies end up flopping. Peele creating original movies that gross over 100M DOM is a huge accompliment. Given all the movies that have made over 1B (some of them not very good) a Barbie movie making a Billion is noteworthy sure but it's hardly as special or different as some of you want us to believe.
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1 minute ago, JustLurking said:
Lady Bird was a pretty much indie production by a newbie director, did fine all things considered iirc. Little Women did more than fine.
I'm just applying the same logic. Lol Peele is making original movies with lesser known Black actors. I wouldn't expect him to do huge numbers overseas, just as I wouldn't expect a movie like Lady Bird to be a huge hit either. Little Women is a well known property. If it didn't do more than fine, that would be a problem.
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2 minutes ago, Reed121 said:
Coogler made a 700m domestic movie about Black Panther. Kosinski made a 700m domestic movie about Top Gun. Are either bigger draws than Peele. Give Peele an established property/ip and it will have huge hype and probably huge success. None of his movies have even starred well known actors. It’s mostly him.
Exactly. I think Coogler is also in the conversation but I would not give him any edge over Peele either.
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4 minutes ago, keysersoze123 said:
it does not matter. She has now way bigger push now that Peele ever got. Plus the highest overseas grosser for Peele is 80m. Barbie will have more than one market that will gross more than that. You cannot make up for all that.
How much did Lady Bird gross overseas? Most people overseas will still have no idea who she is, even after Barbie. Not sure how that's a compelling argument.
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3 minutes ago, vale9001 said:
A Barbie movie can be a 100m domestic stuff. She didn't direct the 8th movie of Harry Potter After the ones before made already 1b.
Making a 500 600 domestic movie about Barbie makes you between the Hollywood biggest.
It's way more impressive than making 80m with an original movie.
In the same way a movie about dinosaurs can be 100m domestic stuff even of from a popular property like the bestseller It was based from like Little women.
A movie about dinosaurs made by Spielberg made 600m domestic because of Spielberg.
If now a Jurassic Park 19 makes 600 m domestic of course It's not that impressive when spielberg made it from nothing and create the all thing.
No sorry. Barbie had insane hype and promo even before reviews came out. That's not even half due to Greta. That's all the Barbie brand and the stars of the movie. I'm not saying she doesn't deserve any credit, of course she does but take away the name and this movie doesn't come close to making even half as much, no matter how good it is.
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I'm not sure how Greta has the advantage over Peele when he's making original movies. Her last movie was a remake of a very popular property (there was even a korean remake recently) and now a Barbie movie. When she makes original movies that gross more than his, I might agree.
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7 minutes ago, baumer said:
I'm sure this has been mentioned before somewhere in the thread but if Barbie was to follow the dark Knight it would gross 95 million dollars this weekend. Don't mean to beat a dead horse but I have no idea what deadline is thinking with their 70 million projection. 😒
Considering it has stronger weekdays than TDK it could have softer jumps on the weekend and still come in under 90. But I don't know where the 70M comes from, lol 80M would have been more reasonable.
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Lol 70M would only be possible if Fri/Sat have very soft jumps but not even I would expect them to be that soft. I would agree that 85M is probably the floor right now.
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7 minutes ago, redfirebird2008 said:
TDK weekend was 4.57x higher than TDK’s Thursday. This would be a $91M weekend compared to a $20M Thursday.You're right. Though I still wouldn't say 90M is locked. Could come up a bit short.
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If it does 20M and then has a similar second weekend to TDK then I would say 85M, not quite 90. Lol
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Gitesh might not actually be that far off if Fri/Sat jumps are on the softer side. Not impossible especially as Barbie has been stronger than expected on weekdays. Could see the effects of that on the weekend.
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7 minutes ago, Cheddar Please said:
Personally, as much as 100m does seem a tad optimistic, I can't really see a scenario in where Barbie's Friday gross falls below it's Monday gross, that would be virtually unprecedented.
That's exactly what happened with TDK. I'm pretty sure its second Friday number was below the first Monday by over a million.
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21 minutes ago, Agafin said:
Thurs - $20m (-13%, it's gonna lose all PLFs)
Fri - $28m (+40%)
Sat - $33.6m (+20%)
Sun - $26.9m (-18%)
Wknd - $89.2m
Nothing there seems especially unreasonable?
Depending on what Friday's number is, it could even go lower than that imo. So predicting 100M seems a bit too optimistic to me. Not saying it can't go that high but at the moment, I don't think 90M is the floor either.
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2 minutes ago, Johnny Tran said:
Disney, right now, is making atrocious movies. Let the windmills and tomahawks fly. They need to be better.
Lol Their movies are overall no worse than any others. In fact, I'd say they have more good ones within the last year than WB. I guess we're supposed to forget about their flops and bad movies because Barbie is such a hit.
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Call me a Disney apologist if you like but why is it a problem for them to be "petty?" WB has pulled *a lot* of shenanigans over the years. Haven't people been talking about how they were being petty towards Nolan? What they did with the Batgirl movie still seems very bizarre. I get it that it's a lot more fun to dunk on Disney than WB but all these big studios are ran by the same kind of people.
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23 minutes ago, VanillaSkies said:
People thinking Barbie could hit 180 million weren’t that off tbh. 162 million was an epic result, and as the weekdays have further proved, the sheer capacity limits of prime time showings that it had over last weekend is what likely held it back from that 180 figure. Heck, even Sundays number showed this, but weekdays have further solidified this.
FWIW, here in Canada it’s already selling huge amounts of tickets for Friday. I’m sure some of the weekend crowd who couldn’t see it last weekend due to capacity and aren’t able to make mid-week movies due to their schedules will come out in full force on weekend #2.
I mean I think a nearly 20M difference is pretty big for someone who analyzes box office numbers and was aware of capacity limits. I'd think it would be wise to follow the pros who show a bit more caution rather than going big and risk overselling. But I'll let it go now and let others have their fun. 😁
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1 minute ago, vale9001 said:
Literally one person wrote was disappointed by Barbie 155m. 162 then in the final.
No One is disappointed by Barbie First 5 days box office, that's for sure lom
If the usually trackers we follow are saying today LOOKS flat we're gonna be excited by the early prevision they make as for every movie. Cause apparently pre Sales exist from before Barbie the movie, and trackers in this forum too 😄Then if It's 22m It's still gigantic.
We don't need to ready everyday the early previsions are early. We know It.
Nah I remember more than one but still, even if it was just one person, there were ppl annoyed that someone dared say they were disappointed.
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2 minutes ago, kayumanggi said:
69M? What should the Friday number be for 69M to even happen? They are lowballing this one.
I know HM is taking away some screens yes? But still, that definitely seem too low.
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2 minutes ago, Krissykins said:
Not really, it’s on the reader to take very early numbers with a pinch of salt.
Not many were actually predicting $180-200m for the weekend. Hence Hollywood being in shock.
Anyway, these numbers are crazy regardless.I'm not going to call anyone out but lets just say there's a pattern. Lol Not many were predicting that but it was thrown out there.
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Sorry but I don't see how some can throw out these huge numbers so early on in the day. Sure they may be right occasionally but it creates a setup for disappointment when the numbers don't come to fruition. First there was talk of 180M-200M OW, then a 30M Monday, now a flat Wednesday (which seems very unlikely). You can think calling that out is being negative but then don't complain when some come to the thread and say they're disappointed with otherwise great numbers (exactly what happened over the weekend) just because the insanely high number didn't happen.
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From everything I've read about Greta recently, she seems to really like the idea of doing big studio/franchise stuff and her recent projects reflect that. So even if she doesn't do another Barbie movie, I can see her doing another big budget movie connected to a franchise. I get the comparisons to Nolan but I don't think they really fit, considering Nolan's filmography outside of The Batman trilogy.
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Weekend Thread 7/28-7/30 - Barbenheimer Week 2; Barbie 93M/Oppy 46.2M - Haunted Mansion & Talk to Me OW; Mansion 24.2M, Talk 10M
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For sure. Have no idea about the box office for Snow White though. It won't get nearly as much backlash as TLM but not sure it will get as much hype either, at least not domestically.
Why assume Saturday will jump that much especially if that Friday number sticks? At the moment, I would say 85-86M should be the expectation. Maybe even a little lower if Sat has a soft jump as well.