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1 hour ago, Sckathian said:
I feel like cinematic universes have broken peoples brains.
not everything needs a crossover - in fact Jokers very success highlights this.
I'm not even sure if you can call wanting to see Batman fighting the Joker is even a "crossover" especially since Batman was set up in the first film lol
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2 hours ago, dudalb said:
That alone is why bringing the Phoenix Joker in the Patterson Batman universe is a bad idea.
But then I don't pay attention to the people who think this such a great idea.
It'd be closer to 10-13 which isn't that big a deal lol
The ship has sailed but back in 2018 when both films were in the writing process they could've absolutely connected them both. And I bet that WB feels extremely awkward it didn't happen. Having an extremely succesful Joker that you can't connect to your other Batman which has extremely slim chances of ever being as succesful is an inherently weird position to be in. -
6 minutes ago, WittyUsername said:
I don’t understand why people would have any desire to see Joaquin Phoenix fight any version of Batman.
Are you really asking why people would want to see the Joker against Batman? It's extremely self-explanatory.
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8 hours ago, Belakor said:
Instead of ego-lifting his own DC universe, James Gunn should be working in a Batman-Joker movie with Robert Pattinson and Joaquin Phoenix.
It's pretty much impossible to do that in any way that'd make sense. They had their chance in 2018 to connect these things and missed it.
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7 hours ago, BadOlCatSylvester said:
I agree that he's an asshat, but the movie simply being bad isn't impossible. These movie directors are human too, and can slip up and make mistakes once in a while. That's just as possible as Zaslav, a glorified reality TV executive, not understanding a weird genre movie and automatically assuming the worst as far as revenue is concerned.
Why in the actual hell does everyone keep acting as if Zaslav is doing every single decision at WBD by himself? Mike DeLuca and Pam Abdy would be the ones responsible for the release dates. In fact they were literally namedropped as the ones that don't have faith on the film's commercial prospects.
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I always thought that the people that thought there was any chance of this movie coming anywhere under 200 million were living on fantasy land.
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Just now, Cappoedameron said:
Where's the governor to stop Zaslav, investigate his shady ass business practices of buying stuff and paying debt by cancelling things or selling beloved IPs. Fuck this clown, get rid of him already.
How tf is it illegal to try to make a profit.
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10 hours ago, excel1 said:
Its now come out that Jacob Elordi was indeed their first choice and the only one they sought after but he indeed did not want the role and refused the audition.
Dumb.
He should read Josh Hartnett's current opinion of his own decisions re: Batman and Superman. Elordi will be surprised how quickly he becomes a nobody if he isn't careful.
Nowhere was it ever mentioned by absolutely anyone that Elordi was the "first choice" for Superman. Even Elordi said he was invited to audition, the role outright was never offered to him (and if he had auditioned, my feeling is he would've still lost to Corenswet)
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4 minutes ago, Porthos said:
Any one voice is irrelevant. It's whether or not those voices gain traction with people with similar concerns and they amplify the message. It's far too soon to say whether or not folks like Justine Bateman are going to be irrelevant when it comes to this deal. It's absolutely probable that there won't be a backlash to this deal. Hell, I explicitly warned against taking too much stock into social media whining.
But that doesn't mean to ignore potential red flags, either. Mostly what I am saying is that we shouldn't conflate our personal desire for all of this to be over with how the rank and file *might* feel about red line issues.
I've seen a lot of takes on this thread that basically all but state that actors will settle for any deal that gets them back to work and, well, as WB just said:
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Looking at all of this a different way, yes the odds are good that this deal will pass. Probably very good. And if one views the difference between a deal getting approved by a 55-45 margin and 90-10 as "irrelevant" then yes, people like Justine Bateman are likely "irrelevant".
Hell I'm not even willing to place a bet right now on the margin of the vote as it's just too damn early to tell. It could in fact be an overwhelming vote to ratify (90%+ in favor)
All folks like @Youngstar and @Ryan Reynolds are saying/reminding is that there are potential, emphasis on potential, warning signs here. Warning signs that were not around for the WGA strike resolution and not around as much as when the DGA contract was being ratified.
On the flip side, I do think it's probably not going to be as contentious as the IATSE ratification vote was. Which is another sign that this is likely to pass. But and again this is all some of us are saying, it's a little too soon to tell as there hasn't been much time for folks to really sink their teeth into this deal and evaluate the pros and cons of it all.
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When it comes to future labor talks/fights? Completely disagree that opposition like Justine Bateman's is "irrelevant" as how happy one side is overall with a deal often sets a tenor for future negotiations. And here the difference between, say, a 55-45 ratification and a 70-30 ratification and a 90-10 (or greater) ratification is in fact relevant.
Bro why do you like to doomsay so much. We'll cross that bridge if we ever get to it.
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23 minutes ago, Porthos said:
Um... When it comes to issues of AI within the actors union? She kinda is.
Not that this is guaranteed to sink the deal, but she absolutely is someone some folks listen to on this issue.
Out of the 160,000 members that SAG has, probably only about 5,000-7,000 know who she is, and out of that there are probably about 100 that listen to her enough to vote whichever way she demands it. And even if it was actually up to 1,000, it's a drop in the bucket. She is irrelevant.
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They didn't get residuals after all, which is to be expected, but I wonder what that streaming bonus looks like.
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Just now, Arlborn said:
Is there a good summary of the deal anywhere?
Not yet. Very curious to see what the residual agreement was.
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Kinda surprised to see that the guild lost on the minimums. AMPTP was adamant on 7% increase while SAG wanted 11% and then lowered to 9%, I thought for sure SAG was gonna get that one.
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I'm gonna predict deal either tomorrow or on October 31st.
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You know I am actually extremely curious as to how this movie will perform in opening weekend the more and more I think about it.
One would normally look at current trends of superhero movies and DC movies and think "70-90 million maybe" but I've noticed that there is a strong, strong correlation between fan excitement and opening weekends.
The DC fanbase was barely excited over Shazam 2, and Blue Beetle, therefore those films flopped. With The Flash they were very mixed and I distinctly remember a very large segment of the fanbase getting more and more turned off with The Flash with every trailer even tho there was a segment of Keaton fanboys that tried to keep hype afloat. On the other hand, DC fans were really excited about The Batman and that opened really big.
Likewise with Marvel. People were really excited over Dr. Strange 2 and that opened gigantic, same with Black Panther, and even Thor 4, meanwhile they don't care about The Marvels and that's about to flop.
Typically I'd say "just listen to the fans" is bad advice since fans don't constitute the majority etc but there seems to be a real correlation here. And I'd say that since The Batman, Superman: Legacy is the most excited I've seen the DC fanbase over anything. Hell, James Gunn being in charge in general, since a year ago when he got crowned head of DC I remember that was extremely well received and even trended.
Completely anecdotal but just look at the posts when Corenswet was announced, 100K and 220K twitter likes.
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Fortnite movie next? I swear it's the only other big IP I can think of that can become gigantic as well.
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9 minutes ago, Cmasterclay said:
Sure. I can buy this. But that means every kernel of truth that he gives is going to come with a slant, right? Talks are progressing. That is the truth! But by framing that bit of truth as a "done deal," it is with the intent of making SAG look bad for "unreasonable demands" if things go south. So yeah, I don't think the guy has zero information. But I think he takes bits of truth and runs them through an ideological filter in a manipulative way. In this case, it is priming the pump to make SAG look bad again.
To me it's less about EC and whether he's right or wrong and more about the fact that him tweeting that means that some studio person told him that which right now, and based on the WGA last month, seems like a very positive sign. I don't really care if he's technically right about the deal being "officially" done or not, but the fact that someone is telling him it is a good sign to me, even if it's a sorta "false flag", it's still a good indication combined with the IATSE agent comments, Sneider's reporting and the fact they'll be meeting through the weekend like the WGA.
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1 minute ago, Porthos said:
I think the point some of us are making is that there was about five days between the first rumors of a "done deal" on Tuesday night (I think it was Tue) and the actual announcement on Sunday Night on the WGA deal pattern. With one very major public spat in between.
When it comes down to it, I think where folks are really pushing back is saying "ball is on the five yard line" is the same as "TOUCHDOWN!!!".
It is probably going to be done in the next few days. That's great! But unless a deal is announced in the next 12 hours I personally will say that these reports of a "done deal" (or even "all but done deal") are in fact premature.
No more, no less.
There were 3 days. It was a Thursday when the rumors started coming out (September 21st) and then Sunday when the thing got done (September 24th) and the major spat that there was in the mean-time was about something that didn't even have anything to do with the basic framework they had indeed agreed upon and which everyone was right in calling, and something that got resolved fairly quick. If the basic framework is already agreed upon like it was that time, then if something were to happen I also believe they'd deal with it quickly like the WGA did.
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Just now, Cmasterclay said:
Jeff Sneider is one of the biggest clowns ever, so saying he's right sometimes is like saying Ryan Leaf had a couple of good games. Yeah I'm sorry for the shot about EC but I'm getting so sick of people hanging on the every word and defending that right wing, union-hating dude. I don't care if he disagrees with me on movies. His views are against my most fundamental beliefs about labor and the economy, and every time he is cited as a source it should come with a full shaker of salt. His ideology biases his reporting enough that nothing he says on the strikes should be believed. I can't wait for him to quote tweet this on his Twitter with another Ted Cruz style rant like he just did with Porthos. This will be my last post about it, anyway. We shall see how it all turns out.
Sneider's eccentric but that still doesn't deny his track record. He's broken a lot of big stories about big projects, whether you like it or not he has contacts.
And yeah EC is an asshole but it's precisely the fact that he's an asshole that does lead me to believe he has studio contacts (aside from the fact that I think he was the first to call the WGA deal thing, even if he was off by a few days) since I can 100% believe that someone like him would be chummy with someone there, and seeing how he must own a movie theater or something the idea that he crossed paths with people like that seems believable to me. I don't think studio people would make friends with people that were more pro-labor, quite frankly.-
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2 minutes ago, ThomasNicole said:
You’re right, it’s not done. But even the trades are reporting optimism, they’re meeting consistently, it’s obviously coming to a good shape. It’s exactly what happened with WGA in the days before the deal, no reason for us to not being optimistic.
Yeah I get the desire to be cynical about it but geez. There are good signs right now, let people get excited about it now that things seem more likely and closer to be done than ever. If it all falls apart and we all get disappointed so be it but there's reason to be excited with how much things are mimicking the WGA deal pattern.
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2 minutes ago, Cmasterclay said:
Even if the strike ends by Monday, which I admitted in my post is possible, I'm still right. There is still stuff left to work out and a deal is not in place. Doesn't mean one won't get done, as I clearly have said. In fact, it almost seems likely. But Sneider and your boy/possible main account Empire do not have information that the deal is done. No they do not, sorry. That is what I am saying and that is a fact. I did not say a deal won't get done. I said that as of today, Friday October 27th, it is not "done."
"possible main account" lol Jesus Christ.
Also, Sneider was a trade reporter and he's broken a ton of big stories in the past. And Sneider never said the deal was already done, he said that the basic frame works were already agreed upon and they're gonna spend the next couple days hashing out the details, hence a deal is "imminent". -
1 minute ago, Cmasterclay said:
This is not remotely "nearly done." There's a distinct lack of credibility from the sources being cited. Please read the Deadline article below. Makes it clear that it isn't all over at all and that the talks are done for today. Deadline isn't reliable in and of itself but certainly more reliable than what is being tweeted. Could it end this weekend? Sure. But what is described below is the furthest thing from "imminent."
https://deadline.com/2023/10/actors-strike-weekend-talks-deal-hope-1235585553/
Okay fine dude, if you are right we'll see in about 3 days then!
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Superman | July 11, 2025 | James Gunn writing and directing | David Corenswet is Clark, Rachel Brosnahan is Lois
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Within 1 year of each other you mean.