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this poster is fantasic. very 60s hitcock. I wish the Dolby wasn't so big and pulls the eye

Saw Sound of Freedom tonight (Thursday) in a sold out theater. I was shocked. I can't remember the last time I sat next to someone not in my party at a theater. I live farily rural / suburban area, drive past cows a lot, so sell outs are not normal. There is a chance this movie expands and really breaks out more than it has. I could see it doing well this week and going away with around 30-40m. But it does have a chance to break out and double that. it's a 7/10, but very powerful 7/10 and will emotionally affect how some people view the world. I'm close to this subject. I audit non profits that work with kids, the 1st grant I ever wrote was for a foster care system in Uganda, I have been a child advocate for courts, and ran an anti trafficking advocacy group for a few years so I talk about this subject a lot to my wife, but it has never hit her the way seeing the movie has. She was an emotional wreck tonight, and has all 4 of our kids in bed with her right now. The movie had a special message after asking people to spread the word on the topic and buy pay it forward tickets by using a QR code on screen. Every single person in the theater stayed for the special message (some who got up stood by the exit when they noticed the count down clock to the message) and I counted 11 phones raised scanning the QR code. out side the theater multiple large groups where talking and interacting with other groups like they had a connection now. I'm in an area this movie will do well and it's close to me, but if what I saw spreads, this movie easily makes 75+m. it's a fascinating box office story and marketing campaign.

What's the name of the series? I love folk lore

Especially with the legs it had. 210m domestic, never had a wknd above 30m

Yes it would. Conflict marketing only works for small products that only need a niche target audiences. It's already confusing on whether the film is appropriate for kids partiatly from the marketing having different tones from Mattel vs the talent involved. While the map is absurd, the issue is not, and it begs the question why would an artist deliberately include an artificial feature that only exist in 1 countries political policy. We also don't know this is the only map. It could be a 1 off joke, but really it's a better joke if it's a set up for her seing the real world map further into the movie.

For me it's: Fallout - Rogue Nation - Ghost Protocol (in this order but very close, each one has at least one of my favorite scenes or spy craft in it) MI:1 (Brian Del Palma direction is wonderful and really makes it feel like an auteur's vision) MI:3 (Great villian, best opening, really gives the franchise it's indentity going forward that McQ builds on) MI:2 (I like it, not a part of my rewatch cycle, but the last 30 mins is pure 90s fun and I'm a big John Woo fan)

I can't get an open show till Thursday. It is sold out in all 6 theaters around me. Wife and mother want to go. Guess a guy looking like Jim Caviezel protecting kids has a special appeal.

or you can just say bad thing is bad. I bet you take gun violence and mass shootings seriously, well guess what, there are more victims of child trafficking per year than mass shootings and the rate of victimization is insanely higher since they can be abused repeatedly. it's not artificial, it's real money and they usually give it to their paritioners. Black Panther and Captain Marvel did the same but with NGO buying tickets for segments of the audience they felt should see the movie and they spent more than $3m. I believe the one bought 40,000 tickets at one purchase for Black Panther.

Digging even deeper the 3 movies since previews started have 10+x IM for previews, they have legs of at least 3.5x, they make 4.5x budget, and they all have 30/70 domestic/ intl split

I whole-heartedly disagree. Acting is abysmal but narrative directing is good. Rewatched PT rcently for the kids, and was shocked how much I like TPM. After a decade of directionless action as exposition and protagonist who win by getting angry and hitting harder instead of something that was set up earlier in the script, TPM was a breath of fresh air. And the pod race is one of the finest things ever filmed, especially the sound editing.

Have you seen it? Is it TLJ of Barbie and women who actually loved their Barbies are going to hate it? B/c the 1st review kind of sounds like that's what it's hinting at. Their are millions of women who don't resent Barbie and hope the filmmakers know that.

I expect it to be bad b/c a lot of parents are taking their kids and don't realize it's not a kids movie

Has it been discussed at all that a lot parents think this is a kids movie? Is the studio being irresponsible with their advertising (I honestly don't know, haven't seen the trailers or TV spots) but they clearly haven't done enough to let parents know it's not a kids movie.

It's the effect of using all your other characters as foils that drive away half your audience. It's telling you didn't include TLJ, Solo, or Rise of Skywalker, but by all means allow smugness tp make your points.

Poignant post. the cultural conflict is more philosophical and ethical than political. We have been dealing with nihilism in the culture for decades but we went full Derida about 10 years ago. Now some are mad when people care about things and will scornfully deconstruct them to rub your face in it that nothing is worth care or respect. Deconstruction is not impressive to many and has all the maturity and wit of teen agnst. It's like a creator being proud they found the mechanism and wants to show it off as if no one else knew the mechanisms used to build things. The deconstructivist is so impressed with the tool they ignore what can be built with it. We have always had band wars in music, geeks have tons of brand wars b/c instinctually we do know things need to profit and if what we like gets less profit than what we dislike, we will get less of what we like and more of what we don't, but the first time I ever saw people angry at others disliking something was Ghostbusters 2016 and it never stopped.

It's like it sounds, buy and sell shares of movies and stars trying to guess how they will do at the domestic boxoffice. I started way back in 1999, actually was member here about 10 years ago from playing HSX, then went dormant for a long time. I just started playing again on a whim and was very happy to see it still there.

Anyone here read The Gross? It's the best hollywood biz book I have come across about summer 1998. Tracks the films and behind the scenes studio decision making. https://www.amazon.com/Gross-Hits-Flops-Summer-Hollywood-ebook/dp/B00C2RVPPI

What do you mean you're not nihilist bro? Come on bro, nothing matters bro. Just stop respecting and caring about things I don't bro. We have been dealing with nihilism in the culture for a long time, but it wasn't till the last 10 years I saw the sentiment of "why do you even care about that, what's wrong with you". Really scary when people get mad at people for caring about things they don't care about. I'm not patriotic and don't like rally around the flag stuff, but my father in law was a marine and worked for NASA, so you better believe I take down his flag with the utmost care and fold properly. Respecting things others care about is how you foster a better world. Imagine denying certain elements repeatedly being used in under performing products is having an affect. Helena's portrayl in the trailer confirmed the Rey effect would be present in Indy 5. This whole thread talks about the movie not being right for younger audiences, well don't put something in it older audiences dislike then. You can't complain that "incels" and simply "not liking women" exist then deny a box office could be affected by alienating people. It's like complaining the US is a white supremacist, bigoted, sexist country then demand those power structures aren't hurting Disney's box offices b/c you don't want them to have any power. It's an oxymoron.

This is really interesting data. There is obvious selection bias in that these are the older people who chose to go see Indy 5 and are open to it, but this seems to suggest Boomers weren't scared away. With some other off topic cultural / politic data it seems like my Gen X is the middle child in this, with a good portion of the 1st cohort of Millennials that really resents everything going on culturally. I wonder why that is and what foundationally set us apart? Why are there so many comments like this? Bad things are bad regardless of who finds them bad. Child trafficking exist, and it is much larger than reported on, what Jeffrey Epstein did was real, parts of this movie are true. It's extremely disturbing the amount of people bothered by a "child sex trafficking is BAD movie" b/c people they disagree with or don't like are excited about it. I'm a communist refugee, but if commies were trying to show people how bad and oppressive drug addiction, I wouldn't suddenly flip to no drugs are fine, lets not signal boost the commies. What part is in question? Studios are making movies alienating that don't need to be, and yes there are people checking out. I don't believe my post is incoherent grammtically so maybe you disagree, but different people exist and you only hurt your awareness of reality if you hide dissent. Movies are mostly hurt by the recession and inflation and great movies can over come that. So yes most of a movie underperforming is the quality of the movie. But most movies aren't great, they are average. And average movies would be doing better if there wasn't 10-30% of their audience that moved on.

I would have seen it with 4 kids and a wife probably twice if it wasn't for the Helen portrayl in the trailers and the last 10 years of alienating movies and tv. Though I never would have been happy with time travel leaks I could get over it if everything else wasn't offensive.

I don't know what Applegate movie you are referring to, it should not automatically be the actresses fault, and I can't imagine an argument where Christina Applegate isn't hot enough, but for Indy 5 and PWB, she is 90% of the reason I won't see this movie so that's 6 tickets lost. Hell I probably would have gone again if it was good and made some room for the older generation so even more tickets. Indiana Jones is probably my favorite film franchise (that or Mission Impossible) and I won't see this movie. I have $5,000 of Star Wars ships on the shelves behind me and I have never seen Rise of Skywalker, Mandolorian, Bobba Fett, Obi Wan series. They aren't made for me and I know I'll get nothing out of them. PWB in the trailers told me Indy 5 was joining those titles. It's sad they have to antagonize previous generations so much, I didn't have a great relationship with my Dad but when I think about something we did have in common, it's movies and baseball. Movies aren't supposed to be like this. Stories are supposed to bridge values from one generation to the next, not ostracize.

who cares about popularity though? I have been a box office autist for 25 years and this is honestly the 1st time I have ever heard it mentioned that it's a popularity contest? Is this part of the appeal for some, figuring out what's more popular? What is the appeal, is it like power rankings or trying to understand what groups of people like? And why wouldn't people focus on Disney? They are the big dog and the studio most visibly picking fights with certain audiences and refusing to admit when things go poorly or were bad. If you say yeah that was bad we won't do that again the issue dissapears, forcing it invites conflict. All movies are suffering from a bad economy, inflation, and recession, but there are elements in the films that are succeeding like Mario, GOTG, and Spiderverse that aren't in other movies. I have never seen such a huge generational gap in our culture and it sucks, but multiple sides and generations do exist, Disney could appeal to disney adults and teens without purposefully offending Gen X and parents with young kids.

Aliens are less popular than time travel? I thought the most hated plot devices by general audiences was: 1) Clones 2) Time Travel 3) Aliens

I have been impressed, I think the train scene is huge seller and they have done a lot with the mini docs / featurettes on the stunts. MI has a lot going for it in current market with practical effects, physical stunts, lead male that is allowed to be competent and masculine, and females that allowed to be sexy. I remember reading that part of TGM shocking run was young men came out more than expected and kept going back. I definitely think Cruise being allowed to be something different to todays programing is a novelty for younger males. And speaking of tense runs does anyone here remember Ghost Protocol? It had the weirdest release I have ever seen and don't know the story behind it. They opened it in 400 theaters 1st before a wide realese. It mad 210m domestic without a weekend over 30m. I think we have an 85-105 5 day opening, 250 - 280m domestic / 830 - 950 WW The franchise has some amazingly consistant stats, 10xIM for previews, 3.5 legs, 30/70 domestic / intl split

Huge revenue and receivables compared to what? Fortune 500 or it's own debt? And grew it's EBIT by 20% compared to when? 2020 when it posted a loss? 2021 when we came out of the lockdowns? I also don't see where their EBIT is 4x times it's debt. Net Revenue before taxes was 5.3b if you add back 1.4b interest expense that 6.7b while your own number for their total debt was $48b. I do agree they aren't going to use their $9b cash to pay off debt early, but it's their ability to afford anymore interest expense which is a going concern. The 48b they owe was when interest rates were around 2%. Now they are 5-7%.