GregBeuke

Yes I'm sure Terminator Genisys will do big worldwide money still. But one thing is clear. Domestic audiences have no interest in seeing Arnold as a lead anymore. If a movie with Stallone only grosses 25 million and a Terminator movie only grosses near 90-110 million for him. It's sad, but this day comes for most actors at some point. So it's time for him to take supporting roles or do smaller indie films.

It's a mediocre movie with a very generic plot. Which has the characters needing to throw around f-bombs every two seconds to show how tough they are. It was my least favorite movie of Arnold comeback. I even liked his Indie zombie drama Maggie slightly better.

I agree and that wasn't his first choice. He wanted to do a movie called Cry Macho, but that got cancelled after his maid scandal. So I think he just took Last Stand since he wanted to get back to making movies. I don't think he or anyone thought it would tank the way it did. I recall even going into it's release expectations were a 12-15 million opening 4 day opening and it do around 30 million domestically. While doing a Escape Plan with Stallone made a lot of sense considering how successful the first two Expendables movies were and so did making Sabotage with David Ayer.

I'm betting it does over 7 million today and does closer to 12 million on Friday. Like with Magic MIke XXL sales should pick up with people not working.

That's probably going to be Arnold future in movies going forward. I think Terminator Genisys will be his last big lead role film. That is what we saw actors like Harrison Ford do and Stallone is kind of going that way as a supporting Rocky character in Creed. That said he has done more age appropriate role. All if his lead roles in non Terminator characters in movies since 2000 have been everymen types or been washed up or flawed characters. He hasn't played the stud action hero type since the 90s really. Besides his minor roles in Expendables 2 and 3. Along with the two Terminator movies, when he's playing a machine underneath the human skin. Heck in his last movie Maggie he played a farmer in Kansas who was crying on screen.

You are clearly a Cruise fan and so I'm I. SO I don't disagree with you, but I feel the same way about most of Arnold movies too. I don't see stuff like Last Stand or Sabotage as bad movies at all. They were blah, but Arnold charisma keeps me entertained watching them.

I agree, but I can't fault Arnold for doing another Terminator movie either. Not when Megan Ellison and producers who worked with Cruise on Ghost Protocol and Jack Reacher along with Star Trek Into Darkness were behind it. Heck word is the Terminator Genisys writers even did rewrites on Rogue Nation.

I was just giving example of silly RT scores are and judging movies based off that. I could have easily showed T1-T2 scores and MI4 scores. But I showed a score of a movie that people think is bad or mediocre and shows of movies that people like for a reason. Ok don't talk to me because my point was proven...

LOL it's very mediocre Terminator Genisys was much better. If were going off RT then... Terminator 3-70 percent vs Mission Impossible 1-61 percent Mission Impossible 2-57 percent Mission Impossible 3-70 percent I rest my case on RT.

I guess you didn't see Knight and Day or Lions for Lambs lol.

LOL I know

Well same studio and producers behind it.....So if people think Terminator Genisys sucked, they probably shouldn't have a ton of confidence in Mission Impossible 5. I personally liked Terminator Genisys, so I think Mission Impossible will be good though.

It cost 155 million after New Orleans tax credit and I don't think 340 million worldwide is going to be a big problem for this movie. It's still going to do very well in some markets. That said, the franchise is likely done even if Paramount doesn't lose a ton of money on this.

TG will have increase over the weekend(especially Friday) there's no doubt. So a 45-50 million five day isn't out of the question yet at all. I agree that Inside Out will be higher though. It will probably do 35 million in three day weekend.

They were suppose to have seen those movies by now and moved onto Terminator Genisys lol. That's what Paramount hoped for at least.

I'm sure there was a few million invested in them. Since they had script treatments written for them. While locking up the cast for three years and such. But Paramount will write that off like nothing at this point.

I think it will do better tomorrow and a lot better on Friday. I still think it has a decent shot at 45-50 million dollar 5 day weekend, despite this bad first day. That said people who were predicting it to fail since day one aren't wrong. Yes after the way many of them acted and there lack of reason for hating on this movie. Well they don't deserve to be right, but life not fair sometimes and they are right in this case. This was suppose to be a movie that was intended to have a large 10-25 year old audience. That's why they casted Emilia Clarke and Jai Courtney coming off Games of Thrones and Divergent movies. It's also why they modernize the franchise to be like a Marvel movie and set it up for 3D and IMAX screens. Well one thing is clear right now, that 10-25 year old crowd didn't show up much for this movie. Now it's basically up to the older core fans to show up for it this weekend. If they don't show up either, well then it will be a complete embarrassment. Now I still think there's plenty of money for it to make domestically and it should still do well internationally. So Paramount might not completely lose there ass on this. But there's no doubt that the franchise is done. Because like I mentioned above the movie didn't connect with the audience that it was intended for.

How do you know it has bad WOM? Like I've told you many times over moviegoers are liking it more then you think. For example my audience clapped afterwards last night. I'd really like to see it Cinemascope score, even though that doesn't really matter either. As for everything, well you could be right or wrong. But like it's been mentioned already. It's hard to judge the actual increases for these two movies that have older adult fan-bases. So at this point it would just be guessing on our parts. That said even if the movie recovers to a 50 million dollar weekend and sneaks past 100-110 million. Well I agree that the franchise is dead, there's no way Paramount is going to risk two more sequels. With the movie struggling so badly to get teens in this movie with all the 3D and IMAX screens. So I'm not debating that the franchise is dead and this movie isn't a major disappointment for Paramount. But I honestly feel a big chunk of this movies audience hasn't seen this movie yet. So I don't think it will do as poorly as some are thinking that it will.

Tomorrow actually a better day for Terminator Genisys then today. A lot of people are off work Friday and will be going to the movies tomorrow night, compared to tonight. So I can see the number actually increasing to say 7.5 million, even though it shows a drop from 9 million. So the 5 million stuff doesn't really make sense here.

It will decrease it's 9 million number. But I feel it will increase on actual Wednesday number and do over 7-8 million. The key will be how big of a increase it get's Friday. If the increase goes up to 13 million Friday, It has a solid shot at 50 million five day still.

LOL it was the numbers I expected after the early report came out. Along with hearing some of the low crowd reports from some people who seen it tonight. I still think it increases over the next two days by a good amount and has a chance to reach 50 million still. But I could just be a idiot who's to hopeful...

Of course you would say that, but your opinion on the subject is just as bias as mine but at the opposite end. But ticket sales aren't saying that right now. Plus there's no doubt taking away those IMAX screens will hurt Jurassic World a good amount this weekend.

That's how it often is in this day and age with competition the way it is.

Of course JW is doing amazing and hasn't really had a big drop yet. So it's really due to have a decent size drop at some point. Terminator Genisys coming out will take away some of it's repeat viewings this weekend and it also hurts that it took away all it's IMAX screens too. While Inside out is still the movie families will be seeing this weekend. Of course next weekend with Minions coming out, then that will take a hit.

It's showing signs of fading the last few days. It had big drops on Movietickets.com sales the last few days and isn't in Fandango top five in ticket sales anymore. Terminator Genisys coming out is going to take a hit on it's audience, even though it's not doing that well. Movietickets.com 1.Magic MIke XXL-38 percent 2.Inside Out-18 percent 3.Terminator Genisys-17 percent 4.Jurassic World-11 percent 5.Ted 2-6 percent Fandango top five 1. MMXXL 2. IO 3. TG 3D 4. Ted 2 5. TG 2D So inside out is saying strong, while Magic Mike and Terminator Genisys are showing signs for increase ticket sales over the weekend.