GregBeuke

It was a serious thing. I'm not sure it will happen now after Expendables 3 flopped so bad though. Usually you don't see spinoffs when a franchise is fading.

Exactly it's a movie made for kids. Of course adults who are comparing it to movies that's made for adults and teens. Well it's not going to be as well liked in comparison. But kids are really enjoying it and compared to most movies adults bring their kids too. Well I think they're enjoying this enough, even if it's only for nostalgia reasons.

I'm not surprised at all. Most parents taking their kids to see this movie grew up on Turtles(I was a huge fan 20 plus years ago as a kid for example). While it's very popular with kids according to my wife who runs a daycare. The film might not be a masterpiece, but it's entertaining enough for adults and most kids like it. So it's not going to just tank like many of you guys want. It's a kids film and they will find It entertaining. While it has a nostalgia appeal for adults. It didn't have to be a great movie for this franchise to sell, just appealing enough.

It grossed like 42 million domestic and around 110 million worldwide. Not great numbers by any standards, but sold quite well on dvd/Blu-ray and the movie only cost 50 million. It's still a known franchise, that has worldwide appeal. So if it can be made for 40 million or so, I don't see why Lionsgate wouldn't take a chance with it. How many 30-40 million dollar run of the mill Jason Statham movies have they done that barely grossed a little over 20 million or less. Plus Sly recently was talking like the movie was going to happen. With Rambo taking on drug cartels in Mexico, while he tries to rescue a friends daughter. Or something like that. With it possibly shooting later this year or early next year. Who knows what will happen now with Expendables 3 flopping.

Yeah Expendables 3 flopped pretty bad, it will probably end up with Need for Speed numbers domestic and internationally. I guess there won't be a Expendables 4 anytime soon.. Which is good news IMO, I love the actors in the film. But the films are same old thing and same old formula every time out. If they aren't gonna change things up or bring anything new to the table. Well it's time for the Sly and the rest of the cast to move on. Sly just better hope that, that Lionsgate doesn't decide to kill Rambo 5 after these results.

Well they spent like 40 million for the rights to US and UK. Then all the movie to market it. If this movie opens at 18 million, it will be lucky to make 50 million. So they will lose a decent amount of money. The producers likely already made the budget back in presales, so they won't lose on this. But the distributors won't be happy and won't draw much interest for Expendables 4 anytime soon. Or the terrible spin-off they wanna do Expendabellas.

They don't own them though. Millennium funds the movie and own the rights. Lionsgate rights are just for US and UK as distributor for the movie, because they bought those rights. Same thing goes with the Olympus/London Has Fallen movies. Millennium owned the rights and the first film was distributed by Film District and now the second movie is going to be distributed by Lionsgate.

Yeah Expendables 4 is far from a given. First of all it will be a flop for Lionsgate, who doesn't get most of the international profits outside of the UK. While the leak is going to hurt the international numbers much more then US.

Looks like Turtles/Guardians 1/2 spots and all the new movies are struggling.

Concept and freshness sells. ScaJo being hot and bad ass getting revenge as a lead is a new concept and still fresh. People liked her doing it in Iron Man 2, Avengers and Captain America 2. So Lucy concept interested them. Obviously if ScaJo is still doing that 10 years from now it's not going to sell. Which is the problem Stallone and Schwarzenegger are having right now. The first Expendables was a big hit, because it was a fresh concept. Now people have gotten sick of it by a third movie in five years. Especially when they did 80 throw-back stuff like Bullet to the Head, Last Stand and Escape Plan between Expendables sequels. For Arnold/Sly it's franchise sequels going forward. Or they need to get themselves in modern CGI blockbusters(even as co-leads or supporting parts) or new interesting concept movies. Doing throwback movies at a old age isn't working anymore.

The first Expendables did 870,000 and Expendables 2 did 685,000. The big difference here, those were just for midnight shows. While this movie opened at 7 and had at least 3 or 4 showings in most theaters. With the movie showing on over 2,000 screens last night.

I'd have MI5 in my top 10. But I have a feeling it will match MI4 209 million having to go up against Star Wars.

1.Avengers Age of Ultron-605 million 2.Star Wars Episode 7-525 million 3.Mockingjay Part 2-450 million 4.Minions-310 million 5.Jurassic World-275 million 6.Bond 24-265 million 7.Fast and Furious 7-240 million 8.Inside Out-225 million 9.Terminator Genisys-215 million(Remember T2 and T3 did 396 and 202 million with inflation.Terminator is a popular brand. Like Godzilla, Apes and etc...) 10.Good Dinosaur-208 million.

Yeah but I American audiences are getting sick of him. He's been around so long and been making mostly action/sci-fi/thriller movies since 2000. Unless you give american's something new, well they get sick of you afer a while. Plus it doesn't help he's not really beloved by the public due to his crazy antics. But this is stuff has happen to John Travolta, Bruce Willis, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Sylvester Stallone,Nicolas Cage and others. Audiences all got sick of them after a while, since they didn't give them anything new over a long period of time. Cruise plays the same type of characters in all of these movies and ends up in some type of action type setting. So people are starting to be become bored with him, like they did for the actors above. The only reason why he's probably still going as strong as he is. Well is because, his movies are usually liked overall. While those other actors listed above made a lot of crap movies. So things fell apart faster for them, then it will Cruise.

Yeah I think people are saying didn't Cruise make a movie like that already. So that along with the competition is why a lot of people are skipping it. Despite good reviews and feedback.

Competition and Cruise making two sci-fi, futurist movies back to back hurt as well. But most importantly Oblivion didn't have a movie like Fault of Our Stars out, or big movies people were still seeing like Maleficent and X-Men Days of Future Past. I don't expect it have much legs either, with 22 Jump Street coming out next week. I liked Edge of Tomorrow a lot better then Oblivion. But good movies flop sometimes too, not all bad movies do. So this happens.......

I say 25 million opening weekend and 72-75 million domestic. There's just too much competition and not enough interest. Despite there being strong word of mouth from moviegoers and critics.

Smart move by Butler to drop out of the movie.

Last Stand did 48 million worldwide and Sabotage will gross 11-12 in the US like Last Stand did. Plus Last Stand western feel/tone hurt it in a lot of foreign countries. Sabotage serious gritty tone and violence will help sell it in Japan, China and other places in the middle east. I'll still be surprised if Sabotage doesn't do at least 50 million worldwide and it could easily do more then that. Sure it's not going to do what the Escape Plan did. But it's not going to do some small 18-19 million number either, that's just silly. Arnold is still a bigger star in many foreign countries then current A-list stars in Hollywood are.

I 100 percent agree with this http://www.thewrap.com/arnold-schwarzenegger-sabotage-box-office-bomb

I agree to a point. I don't think Arnold should do small supporting roles unless it's a Expendables movie. He still needs to be in the film long enough to make a impact. So I think he still needs to be the second or third most important character. For example say Arnold got Idris Ebla role in Pacific Rim and did that instead of Last Stand. Well Arnold would just be seen in a big worldwide hit and who knows it might have done a little better with his name attached. Because it's Arnold appearing in a big sci-fi movie again, but one they have never seen him in before. But that's my point if Arnold not doing sequels, he needs to get himself in roles and big movies like that. Even if he has to go Jonah Hill and accept 50,000 paycheck to get himself casted in the movie. Arnold net worth is something like 400,000 million dollars. Last thing he should be worried about at this stage of his career. Is getting a solid 8-10 million dollar upfront paycheck and being a main "lead" in a movie. Especially if those paychecks and lead roles are only offered in B-movies.

Part of the reason I think Arnold is back, is he's so iconic in that role. Who could you cast to play Arnold Terminator who's going to live up to expectations? I can't think of anyone, because it just won't be the same. So Arnold still in good enough shape physically and they have technology to make him look younger in sections of the movie if they need too. So why not bring Arnold back? Especially seeing Arnold back as the Terminator is going to put some extra butts in the seats. Now I agree that the franchise and type of movie it is. Will be what sells the movie to the masses in 2015 and not Arnold anymore. But do people want to see him be the Terminator at least one last time. As long as it's believable and make up, Hollywood magic and special effects will make it believable enough. Plus Arnold is a character from the future, everyone else who lives in the past in this new alternative timeline being recasted. This is no different then what Star Trek did, just in this movie Arnold as a bigger and more important role. Because well he's 66(who's in great shape for his age) and not 78 like Nimoy was in the Star Trek reboot.

Exactly and it wasn't that bad. It got a B Cinemascope and it's IMDB score is 6.8 compared to Noah 7. People just don't wanna go pay top dollar for B movies. Especially B movies with older actors who have made bigger and better versions of this movie in the 80s and 90s. So they will wait to buy the dvd for 15 bucks or rent it or buy it on demand or watch it on Netflix and such. People are only going to pay to see a Arnold movie. If it also includes something big, new or exciting with him.

The guys who ran Carolco into the ground are also responsible for bringing the Terminator franchise down. I dunno what about Charlie Angels movies made them think. You know what McG would be a great fit to direct Terminator Salvation. Not to mention all the mistakes they made with Terminator 3. Like I said many times, Terminator franchise is in much better hands now.

Yes there's nothing wrong with them. But people don't pay much money to see them in theaters. Last Stand is a perfect example of a movie that nobody saw in theaters. But sold really well on DVD/Blu-ray for a B-movie. Going to the movies in this day and age is very expensive. People aren't gonna go spend big money to see Arnold in a B-movie. Especially not when he has all these big budget action movie classics from the late 80s and 90s.