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    UK Box Office Thread

    in International Box Office

    Posted

    Anyone else having issues with Cineworld today? Been trying for ages to book a ticket for One Life, and keep getting error code 8 in the app and "SeatsUnavailable" on the website. Tried contacting Cineworld, but no luck on phone, twitter or email. I'm half hour away and don't want to make the trip in person only to be turned away!

     

    Also tried other showings of other films... All the same issue. It never lets you go beyond ticket selection. 

    UK Box Office Thread

    in International Box Office

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    51 minutes ago, UKBoxOffice said:

    Saturday

     

    1. Wonka £2.02m

    2. Aquaman £665k

    3. Wish £211k

    4. Dunki £173k

    5. Hunger Games £111k

    6. Salaar £98k

    7. Napoleon £80k

    8. Godzilla £78k

    9. Elf 70k

    10. Die Hard £68k

    Think you mean Friday, Saturday has only just begun :D

    Avatar :The Way of the Water OS thread

    in International Box Office

    Posted

    32 minutes ago, Taruseth said:

    I'd say lower on Saturday, higher on Sunday - local cinema (Germany) has two showing on Christmas Eve (around noon) but 8 on Christmas Day - its not a booster as its in the US, but it isn't hurting as much as Christmas Eve (27th and 28th have 12 shows - so the viewings are pushed back to 27-30th of December).

    Outside of Europe the changes are probably less extreme.

     

    But honestly the two Christmas Eve shows are pretty full already.

    just to add to this from UK

     

    Christmas Eve is muted, because evenings will be very quiet

     

    Christmas Day cinemas (along with shops and many other venues) are forced to close by law, so should get $0 from UK on Sunday. Monday + Tuesday are bank holidays though and should be huge (equivalent of a Saturday)

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    UK Box Office Thread

    in International Box Office

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    Decent enough number. From what I was seeing at CW Crawley Friday was dead before 3pm, and only really had 2 sessions of decent showing times, with it falling quiet after 10/11pm. 

     

    Saturday however is already looking much better sold and distributed (in premium formats anyway) across the whole day.

     

    Hoping a decent Saturday increase, will predict jump to £5.5m.

    A2 WEEKEND THREAD | 134.1M DOM OW | Thurs 17m / Fri 36m / Sat 45m / Sun 36m

    in Numbers and Data

    Posted

    1 minute ago, SnokesLegs said:

    My Cineworld seemingly forgot to put any ads or trailers on my showing, we got 3 Cineworld ads in a row, the IMAX ident and then straight into the film. Looks like somebody made a goof while programming it, lol.

    Damn you got lucky. We had 12 minutes of adverts and a further 23 minutes (yes TWENTY THREE) of trailers... a full 35 minutes before the film even started...

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    Avatar: The Way of Water (2022)

    in Review That Movie! (Spoilers Allowed)

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    Wow, a lot to unpack here. 

     

    Went to the first evening showing of it today (OD in UK), at a sold out IMAX 3D showing with ~450 people. Weirdly not much for audience to react to, I distinctly remember one moment where everybody laughed, but outside of that nothing which the whole audience reacted to. 

     

    Preface to this, I have watched the original Avatar maybe 10-12 times since its release. Three times in theaters, once when it released, once on a random re-release about 5 years ago and then the official remaster in September. It is probably one of my favourite movies ever.

     

    First, let's talk the good stuff:

    • The water! Almost everything related to the water scenes was pure beauty, it felt like I was transcended to another world.
    • The kids, all the children had epic moments and really shined well.
    • The single "fuck" allowed in PG13 movies was perfectly placed :)
    • Spider was a very interesting and complex character
    • I "bought" Quaritch's backup plan and return, it felt suitable for the character
    • The submersion of the water ship was very epic and sometimes reminiscent of Titanic (intentionally).
    • Kiri was a very interesting character to follow, especially her connection to Eywa.
    • Time flew by, never felt long or slow.

    Now... the problems I had:

    • The first part about the family went by too quick and felt very rushed. I didn't connect with the kids to begin with because it was rushed in their introduction.
    • The first act felt unnatural to me, because the Na'vi were too human. Too focused on technology, and too much war scenes, it felt off-tone. 
    • A few scenes clearly hadn't finished rendering, notably a few seconds here and there when the whole sea clan went to notify their whales of the danger. It was like the water dripping from the characters wasn't lit properly, quite offputting in that short time frame.
    • Kiri's voice was straight up wrong. It felt like an adult, I could not imagine her being a child.
    • The jumping between the kids learning the way of the sea people and Spider's time with Quaritch felt very abrupt and offputting, like it suddenly just cuts to the other scenes.

    And finally, the parts I felt were vacant from the film, which made me really enjoy Avatar 1:

    • Eywa - yes she was here a bit, but she had a much more prominent role in A1, and here she just never really made much of an appearance.
    • Similar to the above, but the connection between all living things was not emphasised much here. It was constantly prioritised by Grace and the Na'vi in A1, but here it's like an after thought. Little things like the wisps didn't seem to be a big deal here, and when animals were killed they were not given "prayers" like Neytiri taught Jake to do in A1.
    • The Sully's never really had a moment of complete distraught. In A1, there was a very very notable moment (which still makes me goosebump and tear up to this day), when it feels like all hope is lost, everybody is dying, there's no chance in hell they can win. And then at the very last moment there's a switch when Eywa starts acting, and Neytiri screams "Eywa has heard you!!". This was a pivotal moment of joy in A1 which was never replicated in A2 because they never really got to a point where it was needed.
    • "Community moments", in A1 we had several scenes (typically around the Tree of Souls) where all of The People would gather to pray and commune to Eywa. In A2 this was lacking that sense of community. Outside of the main Na'vi, you never really saw or interacted with anybody else.
    • Lack of "good humans". In A1 you had a band of rebels which were very very likeable. Here, you had Spider (who grew up with Na'vi anyway) and the leftover good ones from A1. There was no "trudy" or anybdoy like that for people to root for. (Who doesn't love a good rebellion?)

    Overall, a very pretty and beautiful film, with many good moments and characters, but lacking some key feelings and emotions from Avatar 1. I would give it a 7.5 out of 10. (Avatar 1 is a 9 / 10 for me)

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    UK Box Office Thread

    in International Box Office

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    My IMAX showing at 7:30pm is 10 seats away from sold out, that's 440 seats sold! Last time I saw this one sell out was TFA (didn't check Endgame). (With £19-20 for IMAX ticket at this screen, looking like almost £8k from a single showing). Gonna be a blast with being so packed though 😁

     

    In fact, all IMAX and 4DX have been selling very very well. 3D has been good, 2D has been rather... Crap. 

     

    So expect very high ATP for A2 here, but I'm not sure how high it can go given the vacant screens in 2D. 

    Avatar :The Way of the Water OS thread

    in International Box Office

    Posted

    1 minute ago, Purple Minion said:

    Deadline:

    Before some markets begin in earnest, there are strong previews (not included in the total Wednesday tally above). Mexico’s sneaks are at $1.5M and Brazil’s at $1M for a total $4.4M across the whole Latin America region. Despite only being previews, The Way of Water was No. 1 in all Latin American markets on Wednesday. In the main, 55% of box office for the region came from 3D and other premium formats.  

    Elsewhere, Australia registered $1.3M of previews (again not included in the $15.8M to date reported above)

     

    so more like $21.5M on Wednesday? Seems decent enough all things considered

    South Korea Box Office

    in International Box Office

    Posted

    17 minutes ago, Stewart said:

    I don't have everything setup with hourly snapshots of cgv like we used to, I'll try to get it set up again so we have more data to work with!

     

    Okay I think I have it all set up... will feed back in the morning if it manages to retrieve all the figures :D

     

    If it does work, I'll see if I can find a way to get this accessible to everybody here.

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    South Korea Box Office

    in International Box Office

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    I'm back and ready for the ride of SK :shades:

     

    I was pleasantly surprised to see the spreadsheet I started back in 2018 for Coco, and heavily used for tracking Endgame is still in action! Thanks all those who kept it alive since then. 

     

    And @pepsa I saw your name floating around, hello again!

     

    I don't have everything setup with hourly snapshots of cgv like we used to, I'll try to get it set up again so we have more data to work with!

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    The Box Office Buzz and Tracking Thread (December 2021 - July 2023)

    in Numbers and Data

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    11 minutes ago, Porthos said:

     

    This is my go-to link for all things previews:  http://www.boxofficereport.com/previewgrosses.html

     

    But I also confirmed it via Google (search terms "Avatar Midnight Screening"). :)

     

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    As for previews, they've been getting pushed back earlier and earlier.  Last year No Way Home broke the 3pm line thanks to its length and theater staffing shortages.  Ever since then 2pm to 4pm has been the "standard" with a smattering of 5/6/7 pm'ers.

     

    (sadly)

    Ah yes I remember BOR from precovid but couldn't for the life of me remember it :D

     

    and couldn't find via google because i was looking for avatar previews, not midnights :)

     

    thanks a bunch

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    The Box Office Buzz and Tracking Thread (December 2021 - July 2023)

    in Numbers and Data

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    Just now, Porthos said:

     

    The main problem with using the OG Avatar, besides the snowstorm on the coast, is that had Friday Midnights while this is gonna have 3pm Thur previews.  Checking, OG A had 3.5m Friday midnights, so not really any sort of comparison to be made, historically speaking.

    Oh very true, I forgot previews used to be midnights! I only started following BO properly after TFA. 
     

    And previews are 3pm now? When did that happen, thought they were still 7pm! This changes things for me now, since I thought people only had 1 decent showing at 7pm then others were too late night. But with 3pm it allows for several good showtimes cascaded throughout the afternoon / evening. 

     

    Where did you find preview figures? I tried looking up Avatar's but couldn't find them anywhere (which is why 7m was in my head) :)

    The Box Office Buzz and Tracking Thread (December 2021 - July 2023)

    in Numbers and Data

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    1 minute ago, XXR Tulkun Rider said:

     

    I would say that @Inceptionzq's data does seem to indicate more backload in the presales than even JWD had (and that had an 8x IM) BUT that doesn't mean walkups will be more backloaded than JWD. 

     

    Yes, I suppose walkups are the big factor to play here. Does it play a la Avatar and JW1 where walkups are huge? Or are presales backloaded because people want to guarantee PLFs and IMAX? Guess we'll find out in less than 7 days time...

    The Box Office Buzz and Tracking Thread (December 2021 - July 2023)

    in Numbers and Data

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    8 minutes ago, XXR Tulkun Rider said:

    I was thinking about my basic expectations and here's what I came up with. True Friday should be 2.25-2.5x previews, Saturday to be 10-15% higher than true Friday, and Sunday to be 13-18% lower than Saturday. So from that thought process....

    $18M Previews = $41-45M True Friday = $45-52M Saturday = $37-45M Sunday = $141-160M OW

    $20M Previews = $45-50M True Friday = $50-57M Saturday = $41-50M Sunday = $156-177M OW 

    $22M Previews = $50-55M True Friday = $55-63M Saturday = $45-54M Sunday = $172-194M OW 

     

    I'd think the Saturday bump can be better than that, but friday and sunday % sound reasonable. Although does sunday drop less because monday is start of holidays?

    The Box Office Buzz and Tracking Thread (December 2021 - July 2023)

    in Numbers and Data

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    9 minutes ago, Porthos said:

     

    Little curious here.  Could you define "shocking"?  Or at least the range you think might happen?

    Well with Maverick and Wakanda both pulling around 6.5 or so (iirc), then it feels as though a "reasonable" number for Avatar would be around 7-7.5, since you'd expect it to be slightly less driven than those two. But with the preview numbers here seemingly converging to 18M, that "only" gets a weekend figure of 135M, which is well below all tracking figures.

     

    While I think previews will go up a bit from the comps here (maybe 20M or so), the IM could go as high as 9 or 10 I think. 
     

    i believe the original Avatar hit 11x, although this was with the snowstorm reducing Saturday quite noticeably, and it's an original as well. I would be surprised if it went over 10x. 
     

    My current opti-realistic result would be 20M previews, 180M OW, giving an IM of 9x. Based on presales we see here and through the weekend, this seems plausible to me.

     

    I have visions of previews coming in lower because of aforementioned factors, e.g. at around 16M and then OW still being 170/180M, because it's so much less convenient on Thursday night for people to watch it.

     

    What do you think? Does the data from your tracking support this?

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    The Box Office Buzz and Tracking Thread (December 2021 - July 2023)

    in Numbers and Data

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    7 minutes ago, A Star is Delayed said:

    Still chugging along. Anecdotally, I was talking to some folks in my supers crowd today and none of them are going on preview night. But every single one was planning to see this over the holidays, with several having already purchased tickets for Christmas Day. If that's typical, those Black Adam and Wakanda comps look even more impressive with four days still to go.

     

    This is my thinking, with this being 3 hours +, preview night might inevitably be deflated for other days when people have the time. They will definitely watch it, but there's no spoiler rush to overcome, so why inconvenience yourself for Thursday?

     

    I think internal multiplier for this might be shocking compared to other hits this year. And then of course after the weekend we hit holiday period with people off work, where all bets are off as to just how high it flies when every day is a Saturday.

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