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5 minutes ago, Fancyarcher said:
The best animes are those that draw me in with their storyline. It's also a genre with a lot of a variety. I think they've made an anime out of almost everything they can. I mean there's golf based animes for godsakes.
Animes are great because they recognise it's a medium and not a genre. American animation is stereotyped for being for kids and it has to have humour. You wouldn't see Pixar or Illumination do Grave of the Firefires or Princess Mononoke
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In the case of Mag 7, Sony only put up half of the budget with the rest split between MGM, LStar and Village Roadshow plus they got a distribution fee so even if they lost money, it wasn't much. I suspect MGM and the others lost more.
MGM took a huge hit on Ben Hur whereas Paramount who distributed and financed 20% only lost $13m
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4 minutes ago, YourMother said:
True.
I don't see Sony closing SPA but the Smurfs' failure puts pressure on the 2017-18 films to perform.
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9 hours ago, Heretic said:
This weekend is looking to be the warmest of the year so far (23 and sunny in London, way above what it should be in April), cinemas will almost definitely take a hit. Good news for BO is that it's cooling down significantly next week, but I expect some bigger drops this weekend.
Also, The Boss Baby has looked strong this week, busier than BatB at my two nearest Odeon's.
It's a good thing it's a poor weekend for new releases apart from The Boss Baby.
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If Emoji and The Star underperforms, Sony is going to have do some major shakeups at SPA.
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6 minutes ago, a2knet said:
Smurfs prod budget is only 60. If it can open to 12-13, it has a shot at 40-45 as this demographics can give a leggy run (3.5x multiplier).
It will be upto OS to salvage it then.
OS isn't much better, it's being slaughtered by The Boss Baby in many markets.
I wonder how SPA got the budget to $60m when HT2 cost $80m. I'm guessing the tax credit from Vancouver helped.
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1 minute ago, YourMother said:
Mothersmurfer that's a bad number. Smurfs under $12M OW?
It's the worse opening for a SPA film since Surf's Up! excluding the Aardman films which Sony distributed.
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This will put a nail in anymore Smurfs films for SPA. I know DWA have had a rough few years but SPA has done worse with only Smurfs and HT franchise doing well. They better hope their next few films are successful or it'll be curtain for the studio
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They need to get Liam Neeson or Stallone for Fast 9 or Fast 10.
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18 minutes ago, YourMother said:
With it's $60M budget, Smurfs will luckily break even. Emoji seems likely to do $75M-$130M domestic and about $200M-$250M worldwide. The Star, due to being a Christmas movie, I think has a possibility of $150M domestic due to holidays, and even if it flops OS it's outsourced. SPA's future depends on their 2018 slate.
The Star won't hit $150m. It'll be lucky to do $100-110m domestic.
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6 hours ago, Krissykins said:
Animated Smurfs will no doubt kill Sony's idea of animated Ghostbusters too.
I think if all three Sony animated films flop, it could spell the end for Sony Pictures Animation,
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Superman II was mostly a reshoot with Richard Lester when they kicked Richard Donner off the film, don't know if it makes the film better or worse though
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3 hours ago, grim22 said:
I can see this moving to summer. WB currently don't have a big tentpole in summer, I can see both Ready Player One and this movie going there to fill that void.
RPO will probably stay put, its in a plum slot and it'll do better at Easter then in the heart of summer
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13 minutes ago, filmlover said:
Why did Sony have Blade Runner as a part of their package? Isn't that a WB release.
Sony has overseas distribution, WB is domestic only
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I'm shocked Pets was more profitable than Deadpool considering Deadpool had the lower budget.
Illumination have kept the budgets steady, I guess they don't pay the voice actors huge salaries and the animation while decent is nowhere near as good as Disney, Pixar and even WAG and they animate in Paris rather than Burbank.
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3 hours ago, YourMother said:
3 maybe. If Emoji flops and DM3 does around under $300M to barely over, perhaps Ninjago could breakout. However that's unlikely.
I think WB would be happy if Ninjago did $35-45m OW, Storks underperformed last year so it's a real test since it's relying on the Ninjago brand and not Batman.
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Sweet Home Alabama held the record for a decade before Hotel Transylvania broke it in 2012
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It will likely break the September record but I'm sure Warner Bros/New Line will be thrilled if it did $35-40m OW.
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4 minutes ago, WrathOfHan said:
Damn, I didn't realize it went that low
At $80m, it's still made a profit for Warner Bros.
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3 minutes ago, YourMother said:
Still being outsourced really helps for The Star, and can really see Peter Rabbit performing like over $150M domestic/$300M WW due to Easter.
Doubt Peter Rabbit will do that well, $100-110m if it's lucky
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5 minutes ago, YourMother said:
Also thinking under for sure, thinking $18M OW with a $55M-$65M domestic total. However I do think The Star could do over $100M domestic due to it being a Christmas movie and I think Emoji could breakout (sadly), but even if both flop, I think the end of SPA will depend on it's next 4 movies in 2018 (Peter Rabbit, HT3, Goosebumps 2, and Animated Spider-Man)
SPA has too many films out next year, I know two are hybrids but they could easily move Goosebumps 2 to 2019.
2 minutes ago, filmlover said:I just checked what The Star was. It's got Oprah in it so it'll be fine.
The Star I imagine will do fine domestically but flop OS
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Just now, YourMother said:
Smurfs The Lost Village O/U Storks domestic?
Under for sure, The OS numbers for the markets it has been released in aren't good. I think if Emojimovie flops and The Star does as well, it might signal the end of SPA.
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8 minutes ago, Telerian said:
I noticed in the opening credits there were four (or was it five?) major financing entities. Even if they all lose money, none of them will take a huge hit (assuming the risk is spread between them in a vaguely reasonable way).
DreamWorks SKG/Amblin Partners probably will be the biggest loser but it's like The BFG which had a number of financial partners and distributors so the risk was spread out.
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2 minutes ago, filmlover said:
Weekend thoughts:
Very good opening for The Boss Baby. DreamWorks Animation has enjoyed a nice comeback after a few quiet years.
Another solid drop for Beauty and the Beast, which will soon pass $400M.
Ghost in the Shell better hope it has a strong overseas showing.
Power Rangers and Life pretty much crumbled. Kong, Logan, and Get Out all continue hanging in there.
The Zookeeper's Wife had a great opening. This could be a leggy midrange hit.
DWA has had successful films in the last few year but they're no longer the dominant studio they once were and I think 2014 was their low point. The budgets for their films are still too high considering their non sequels films like Home and Trolls didn't crack $400m WW. The Boss Baby's budget is $125m so a $400-450m WW would be good.
Weekend Box Office: Friday #s (DHD Pg 9) BB 6.78M, BATB 6.55M, Smurfs 4M, Going in Style 4.2M, GITS 2.1M, PR 1.6M, Kong 1.5M
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The BFG succeeded in the UK because of the Dahl factor but also I think eOne who distributed in the UK marketed it much better than Disney, they had dream jars across London which helped promote the film as well as more traditional ads.
Laika prides itself from its competitors with unconventional films and pushing the boundaries of stop motion, Aardman get similar critical acclaim but their films struggle in the US and many places as well but not for the same reasons.