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Will definitely play like an event movie bringing people that do not go usually in theater at all or for movies like that in, I expect that from at least most Anglo-Saxon market and Mexico, what Euro market you are in ?

Looked 2 theater I usually go (in Canada) Still mostly empty for the 10:15 showing and still lot of place for the 7:00pm

I'm almost certain both deal would not hinder much the theatrical release of movies like James Bond (and those players would not be the main theatrical distributor, a studio would still be involved for it). Sony was purely involved in the theatrical release of most but not all market, if they change it it will be for a studio (or 2 studio), but all the others windows (usually Century Fox/MGM home media) are also in play and what Apple/Amazon would be after, along other product like the complete Bond filmography, possible tv/movie spin-of, video game adaptation deal, etc.... I doubt that the movie like Star Wars/Bond/MCU/DCEU that make 800m-1billion+ WW involve people that want to change the theatrical model or even care much about the theatrical windows length, they are incredibly thriving well on the current model.

Not really any perfect comparable but a list of horror preview number: Paranormal Activity 4 2012 $4.500 M Paranormal Activity 2 2010 $6.300 M Paranormal Activity 3 2011 $8.000 M Annabelle: Creation 2017 $4.000 M Annabelle: 2.1 Conjuring 2: 3.4 Conjuring: 3 I must imagine that beating Paranormal Activity 3 (8m) by a large amount is certainly in play and that doubling conjuring 2 (6.8m) would be a floor. The biggest non YA / Comic book movie / Star Wars / jurassic park a bit less classical type preview were: Beauty and the beast: 16m Pirate world end: 16m Furious 7: 15.8m Fate of the furious : 10.8m Godzilla: 9.3m I think getting around Godzilla/Fate 8 is possible yes.

Almost impossible if Will Smith is involved (Do we know ?)

And I clearly said that multiplier is more linked to the reviews My original post: Isn't a bit the same for horror OW ? Obviously great buzz is important, I never talked about that, was only referring to the reviews part. Or track the 500 latest wide release box office OW with their RT scores and show that my low corr of around 0.35 is wrong (could be) it is not something that need to be necessarily talked about they are numbers with a track record.

I said that ? Ever ? I am just talking about the first weekend for one and I said that it has a correlation, even calculated one and said it, just pointed out that it was a surprising small one (the correlation with legs is much more obvious and strong). It something that would happen to most people doing that exercise (do it you will see) http://minimaxir.com/2016/01/movie-revenue-ratings/ Some even find a negative correlation between MC score and first weekend box office: https://www.stat.berkeley.edu/~aldous/157/Old_Projects/kennedy.pdf Looking at the correlation between first week box office gross and metacritic score we get an even more surprising result: a comparably larger negative correlation (r = -.13) If you take necessary measure (compare apple to apple) you will achieve to get a positive one but it need work, unlike variable like theater count, trailers views, etc... that require no work at all to observe an obvious correlation. SS, BvS, Minions, many of the Transformer, home, Boss Baby. It is useless to cherry pick anyway, the good way to do this is with hundreds of title over a couple of year's and check.

Yes it has, like I said it does, but you would be shock by how little it can seem to have. Last year wide release, RT score vs OW: Give me around 0.33, for a reference trailers views with opening weekend for wide release give me a correlation of around 0.85 for something many claims has no correlation at all with box office.... Not RT score will tend to be higher for larger budget movie, larger budget movie tend to have larger marketing and be in franchises, corrected for that bias and the factor is still there but not that strong. BvS, SS, Kubo, Popstar, The Witch, Hail Ceasar, The Nice Guys, the list of movies (just like Hitman vs Logan Lucky) that seem to show that reviews do not matter that much is very long. Specially for a movie like IT that achieved total saturation and interest without needing them in one of the most critics robust genre Horror.

For the opening weekend, many would. There is a reason they had a so late embargo, they also consider that reviews for a movie like that do not matter much. Try this exercise, take the 450 last wide release and their RT score, look at the correlation between the 2, I think you will be shock on how little it seem to even have a correlation.

It started to play to regular movie goers 4/5 hours ago or so there, so people have seen it by now must be strange/hard to keep an embargo in that context.

Using the same variable (US dollar here) is non-sense ? I was not talking about ticket price inflation, but just actual was the face value of those number mean. Spirited away made 308.0 billion YEN in Japan, was it 100 time bigger than Avatar in Japan alone ? To answer that you would translate YEN to USD (or some common variable), comparing face value dollar from different time is also the same kind of non-sense it is not the same variable, exactly like yen vs Euro. If you think that adjusting for inflation is non sense, does it mean you think Iron-Man 2 was a bigger box office success than Star Wars first release, it did 312 million more than Star wars before 1982... There is arguably better ways than looking at adjusted for inflation to judge success (market share, versus the top 5 average of that direct era, etc...), but at least when comparing adjusted we can talk about what movie made the most money (in actual tool to use to trade for good&services, not face value number that mean absolutely nothing at all).

Fair enough Biggest of all times : Pluto Nash-Mars need mom Not biggest but bigger flop than valerian: King arthur/ Kubo and the 2 string / Live by night Level FUCKING MASSIVE HUGE MEGA FLOP: Valerian Regular flop like Ghost in a shell ?

If Valerian doing over 225m on a 177.2 (?) million budget is a huge mega flop, what do we call: Mars need mom 150 million budget: Total Lifetime Grosses Domestic: $21,392,758 54.9% + Foreign: $17,600,000 45.1% = Worldwide: $38,992,758 http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=plutonash.htm Total Lifetime Grosses Domestic: $4,420,080 62.2% + Foreign: $2,683,893 37.8% = Worldwide: $7,103,973 Making less than 10m on a 100 million budget ? And https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gigli https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dudley_Do-Right_(film) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Sound_of_Thunder_(film) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_Raid https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoom_(2006_film) Those are the huge mega flop, making considerably more than your huge budget make your enter the regular type of flop imo, not the huge mega ones imo. It is not even a top 3 of this very year Monster Truck, King Arthur, The Promise were bigger, maybe even Ghost in the shell.

It is normal for that number of most talked about movie, the period ended up the 3rd before any public / non full nda premiere of Venice. It should pick up and get a bit closer to American Assassin in the next period for the new conversation numbers. It had a big day the 6th conversation wise: http://pro.boxoffice.com/twitter/today/ Will have about 10 time more tweets than is usual days according to this.

Is in a really hot streak: http://www.metacritic.com/person/domhnall-gleeson?filter-options=movies John C Reilly has a good one also imo: http://www.metacritic.com/person/john-c-reilly?filter-options=movies Lobster, Guardians of the Galaxy, Carnage, Step brothers, Gang of New York, Aviator, Boogie Nights, Magnola, etc.. PTA and Scorcese collaboration will help that.

You are missing overhead (but put a big amount for domestic theatrical release), it depend how much Stephen King could get for something like this (I really do not know, maybe the rights were sold a while back during the tv series time ?) But yes that should be the type of movie that would make sense with only domestic theatrical alone.

And I assume it is just an extra asked to not create dust by really touching the ground and mess the shoot (and need time for the next take), not something many will have seen on the movie first watch in theater (almost no one).

Good club, 2 movie not too easy to predict, with legs probably defining who would win this Box office pro has it right now really close: 10/20/2017 The Snowman $11,000,000 $31,000,000 Universal 9/15/2017 mother! $10,500,000 $36,000,000 33% 2,800 Paramount Not sure about award player, if it is a wide september release, it cannot affect box office really much, the first relevant award on the domestic box office would be the golden globes nomination and that is far away. With the strength of the reception, Snowman feel safer for now, but will wait for the mothers reviews to reach a higher number before making the decision.

My feeling as well a big 40% to 44% not 33%.

I wonder yes they have 45m subscriber I think ? HBO has 49m, Starz 31m, Showtime 30m Is it really that of a game changer versus the streaming/VOD that was there for a long time ? Is the movie collection that much better than those previous and still running option ? If I understood the numbers correctly Sony was selling is movies to STARZ pretty much the exact same amount than to Netflix around 2013/2014, not much of a difference around that time, I would imagine that now netflix is 50% bigger but not that much bigger than those in their primer.

Can very often that you fall from your predecessor slate, many movie did cost the job of 2 people, Disney movie studio boss that greenlighted John Carter and the CEO that was there when it released if I remember correctly. But it can also be that they are bleeding money and cannot afford is TV deal and they could not agree (him and Eurocorp) or just not doing Valerian 2 and needing to bring someone with some ideas about what to do now.

You would be talking about 2 different thing. Pre-sales could have very well saved that movie, they probably greenlighted it only if they had good pre-sales to start with, but when a movie flop and is saved by pre-sales you cannot make a sequel, you will not find buyers for it at the same price tag. You cannot look at sequel / no sequel for movie pre-sold to judge how well the sellers of the movie did. Franchise popular movie can be pre-sold for more than what they cost to do sometime. If you look at the very first (before it was establish and made pre-saling easier) estimate: http://deadline.com/2015/03/divergent-profit-box-office-2014-1201389595/ Foreign pre sales: $65m Net production cost: $85m That become quite a small movie to try to make a profit own with the domestic and UK market. The movie just before the last one made 130m oversea, the sequel to insurgent can have sold for a nice amount: Many believe that the reasonable range for Allegiant‘s foreign sales including overages is $75M-$95M http://deadline.com/2016/03/allegiant-beat-by-zootopia-weekend-box-office-miracles-from-heaven-1201723263/ Obviously if a movie make only 3.5M and will loose 65% of is pre-sales powers you cannot do a sequel. You do not decide to make a sequel or not based on the profit of the movie, but the expected profit of the sequel. Many movie that lost studio money got a sequel (Angels&Demon for example) and profitable movie that did not.

Those do seem more INTL heavy to me: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?cat=3&date=today 5-y&q=%2Fm%2F012m5vyh,%2Fm%2F0_lmjt2,%2Fg%2F1pwf7_9rd,%2Fm%2F01nxb_ But you are right: 43.2% 32.0% 32.8% 35.6% That is what WB achieved to do with is big title post The Conjuring. 3 of the last 4 were horror, 2 of those R-rated and one a big classic like Carrie.

I selected that part of the text from your message and pressed quote it, I imagine the system is not advanced enough to realize that you were quoting someone.

I'm curious why you are predicting that good of a 33% / 66% domestic/foreign split for a movie like IT ? No King adaptation reached 60% ever before (at least in the big enough to be listed by mojo): http://www.boxofficemojo.com/franchises/chart/?id=stephenking.htm IT/serial killer clown skew American a lot and it's a crazy amount of domestic buzz, why would it be the most foreign skewed of King filmography with the current exchange rate ? Does not seem to have a China release planned either. Not sure how big of a phenomenom it is easy outside the anglo-saxon world. Split did 50/50, I would expect much more than 100m dbo if it is to reach 300m WW.