HummingLemon

That and Aquaman. I could imagine a scenario where it's tracking abysmally low or a situation where it's tracking just fine.

The success of "Captain Marvel" and the potential box office performance of "The Marvels" can be influenced by various factors, including the context within the Marvel Cinematic Universe (MCU). Here's an explanation of how the success of "Captain Marvel" was influenced by the hype surrounding "Avengers: Endgame" and why "The Marvels" might face different circumstances: 1. Introduction in "Avengers: Endgame": "Avengers: Endgame" was a highly anticipated and successful film that marked the conclusion of a major storyline within the MCU. It was released in 2019, just a couple of months before "Captain Marvel." In "Endgame," the character Carol Danvers, also known as Captain Marvel, played a significant role. Her brief appearance in "Endgame" generated curiosity and excitement among MCU fans about her character and backstory. 2. Post-Credits Scene: "Captain Marvel" featured a post-credits scene that teased her involvement in "Endgame." This scene further heightened anticipation for her standalone film. 3. Origin Story: "Captain Marvel" served as an origin story, introducing audiences to Carol Danvers and her transformation into Captain Marvel. Origin stories are often well-received by audiences as they provide essential background information about a character. 4. Female-Led Superhero Film: "Captain Marvel" was the first MCU film to feature a female superhero as the lead character. This was a groundbreaking moment in the MCU and the superhero genre, and it attracted attention and support from a wide audience. 5. Positive Reviews and Word of Mouth: "Captain Marvel" received generally positive reviews from both critics and audiences. Positive word of mouth can significantly contribute to a film's sustained success at the box office. 6. Timing and MCU Continuity: The release of "Captain Marvel" was strategically timed, allowing it to fit into the broader narrative of the MCU. The film's connection to the MCU storyline and the anticipation for "Endgame" contributed to its success. Now, regarding "The Marvels" and why it might face different circumstances: 1. Different Context: "The Marvels" is a sequel to "Captain Marvel" and is expected to continue Carol Danvers' story while also introducing new characters. Unlike "Captain Marvel," which benefited from the post-credits scene in "Endgame" and was an origin story, "The Marvels" enters the MCU with a different context. 2. Post-Endgame Era: "Avengers: Endgame" marked the conclusion of a significant storyline in the MCU. The hype and anticipation surrounding the film were unprecedented. "The Marvels" is released in a post-Endgame era, which means it may not benefit from the same level of hype generated by an ensemble Avengers film. 3. Audience Expectations: Audience expectations for "The Marvels" may differ from those for "Captain Marvel." While fans of the character will likely be interested, the film may need to rely more on its own storytelling and marketing to generate excitement. In summary, while "Captain Marvel" benefited from the context of "Avengers: Endgame" and its status as an origin story, "The Marvels" faces a different set of circumstances. Its success will depend on its own merits, including its storytelling, marketing, and audience reception. The MCU has a strong track record, but each film is unique, and box office performance can vary based on multiple factors.

Disagree. A ~35% drop like Wakanda Forever, Fallen Kingdom, and The Last Jedi sounds more reasonable. ~90-100 OW. ~250 total.

This place is gonna go crazy no matter what when pre-sales for The Marvels starts

Unrelated to the main conversation l just wanna say that Ant-Man 2 had a pretty meh performance for coming out in between Infinity War and Endgame.

I actually agree with this Captain Marvel had a 79% RT, A CinemaScore, 2.78x legs. There's no actual evidence proving it wasn't well liked.

Or let's just say "fuck it 300m ow"

Sales are slowing down, Jat said sub 100 is possible

$100m Taylor Swift looking more and more unlikely

DOM is decent but OS is pretty bad. Overall just "meh" not a disaster like Shazam 2/Flash.

DOM $75M WW $135M probably

the screenings calling this awful are probably just as accurate as the ones calling Flash the best CBM ever or something

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Yup There was an absolutely MASSIVE difference in hype in the brand after No Way Home vs after Quantumania. Place Guardians in the May 2022 slot and it probably opens to like $160M instead of $118M

Yes and I acknowledge this The hype around the brand and upcoming movies was absolutely huge right after No Way Home. But then it was kinda fucked up by mixed reception and underperformances. Multiverse of Madness got mixed reception, but most people on r/boxoffice seemed to think it was just a fluke. But then Thor came out to mixed reception and then it started becoming a trend. Wakanda Forever was fine but still underperformed. Quantumania then came out to absolutely dogshit reception and fucked over the set up for the next Avengers films, even hurting GOTG 3.

God damnit. If MoM Thor & Ant-Man were good

People sometimes exaggerate how "bad" the MCU is doing. The last 5 MCU films average out to $780M (although it honestly could've been up to $900M+ if Multiverse of Madness, Thor 4, and Ant-Man Quantumania weren't poorly recieved).

It would be funny if Spidey and Joker films are the only $1B CBM's post Endgame

Yeah this Relevation guy is probably just overestimating it. Just choosing to go along with it because if he's right then he gets the ultimate brownie points.

Black Panther was a cultural event and made money based on its own merits (people like to shit on Wakanda Forever's performance but $450M+ domestic without the main lead is nothing to sneeze at). Captain Marvel was super duper carried by Endgame hype. This doesn't have that anymore and the brand is in decline. If Guardians Vol 3 with amazing word of mouth can "only" make $845M then I don't think <$722M is all that much of a stretch for The Marvels. Not to mention that Captain Marvel is teaming up with two Disney+ sidekicks, idk how that's gonna turn out but I don't really think audiences care about the D+ characters. The Marvels also just seems very generic which is a death-blow for CBM's post-pandemic. By the way, I'm not rooting for The Marvels to fail. I would love it if it overperforms and defeats GOTG 3 somehow. However I'm just being cautious and I'm not gonna overestimate it just because "Reddit thinks it will bomb so therefore it'll do well."

You have my trust

Taylor Swift tracking is plunging. All the fan-girls got their tickets instantly. Safe to say that @Relevation was wrong when he was talking about a $300 million OW.

@ChipDerby COVID isn't why Quantumania made less than Ant-Man 2. It opened much higher and tanked because of terrible reception And Guardians 3 making less than Vol 2 isn't because of COVID, it's because of brand decline. It would passed Vol 2 domestically and worldwide if it came out in May 2022. The general hype and positivity in the MCU after No Way Home vs after Quantumania was absolutely massive. And now even The Marvels might set up to be an incoming disaster.

I'm more excited for this movie's performance than I was for Avatar. At least that was a sure-bet because of Cameron. This is DCEU so it's a complete damn wildcard. Currently going with $750M but I'm not gonna totally dismiss @Relevation's $375M WW prediction given how poisonous the DCEU brand is

<$100M ow? lmao