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Tuesday Numbers (Feb 20): BP- 20.9 PR - 1.9 FSF - 1.6
Barnack replied to Porthos's topic in Numbers and Data
Potter & middle earth are the more consistent (and very similar), but lack the 2 output a year factor obviously (warning very rough did not adjust by re-release correctly if some movie had them in their total). Middle earth The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies *1003.80 The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug 1015.90 The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey 1102.79 The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King *1510.79 The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers 1274.15 The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring 1217.02 Average 1187.41 Deviation 191.45 Potter Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 2 *1475.65 Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 1 1094.74 Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince 1083.90 Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix 1127.88 Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire 1139.06 Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban *1043.67 Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets 1213.02 Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone 1364.72 Average 1192.83 Deviation 151.55 Both were always 250m under or over the 1.25b in 2018 dollars line, that is quite ridiculous and they never had an entry that made below a 2018 billion dollar, that is a very high worst case for a franchise. Potter is specially weird by how giant fan base drived it was, giving it the smallest variance of them all. Star wars Star Wars: The Last Jedi 1342.29 Rogue One: A Star Wars Story 1087.78 Star Wars: The Force Awakens 2171.61 Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith 1077.97 Star Wars: Episode II - Attack of the Clones *884.44 Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace 1465.56 Return of the Jedi 1041.81 The Empire Strikes Back 1376.47 Star Wars *2542.75 Average 1443.41 Deviation 557.64 Wars as a ridiculous nearly 1.5b box office average by entry but a much bigger variation because of the 4 and 7 episode that went just crazy, Episode 2 is a low the other 2 franchise never had, reception and box office wise. MCU Spider-Man: Homecoming 889.0 Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 872.4 Thor: Ragnarok 862.0 Captain America: Civil War 1187.9 Doctor Strange 698.0 Avengers: Age of Ultron 1475.7 Ant-Man 545.3 Guardians of the Galaxy 812.0 Captain America: The Winter Soldier 750.0 Iron Man 3 1287.7 Thor: The Dark World 683.3 Marvel's The Avengers *1640.3 Thor 494.2 Captain America: The First Avenger 407.7 Iron Man 2 711.2 Iron Man 673.0 The Incredible Hulk *302.9 Average 840.7 Deviation 366.6 MCU is more all over the place a bit with the pre avenger post avenger were it change gear if we remove the pre-avengers it goes closer to the Potter/Middle earth consistency with a (and many of the last entry very similar 700-900m range), black panther could raise it above 1b ! Average 975.3 Deviation 342.6 Totals (without BlackPanthers) MCU 14292.6 Star Wars 12990.7 Potter 9542.7 Middle Earth 7124.5 Star wars has the highest average but also highest variance, MCU has the highest total and in a small 10 year's windows, it is a good candidate here yes. -
If Netflix throw a lot of money too risky project (more than dvd/tv/buyers do) that could obviously boost the amount made.... (not sure about or why the domestic/intl difference here exactly). Is it sustainable... will they not want more to buy non risky stuff like they do on their homemade product (lot of sequels there).... how much different will it be than what world tv/ Directv / HBO/ etc... was for the studios before ? World television was a really big part of the revenues pie before Netflix, has big as domestic theatrical, world TV + world home ent + world home PPV was almost 1/3 of a studio revenus not so long ago, will Netflix change that size, make it smaller or bigger...
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People point out to that quite a bit, but is selling OS to Netflix that different courage wise than not buying OS for Arrival or selling OS for others movies to distributor like other studios often do ? I mean independent movie need to have pre-sold 85% or more of the budget to achieve to get a loan, that the complete Liongates business model, God of Egypt was made like this. The buyer/other distributor is not the same than for Blade Runners 2049, Silence, Robocop, Braveheart, Monument Men and giant list of example were studio sold or shared risk with someone else and from their point of view if that buyer release it on theater or not, pretty much the same outside some piracy concern no ? Studio have been pre-selling market or international TV rights in advance for a long time to make risky movie less risky, media has the tendency to make a story that involve Netflix has a big deal / really different even if it is not.
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Blade Runner box office legs were quite low for a 4M dollar preview grosses, with a quite frontloaded first weekend, 23 time your previews is not that much higher than say the first 50 shades of grey, that was fanbase heavy and really average OW / legs wise. In 2017, looking at 56 release that opened between 10m and 45m, the average legs were of 3.18, the total leg were of 3.39, Blade Runner 2.81 was below average, Transformer 5 had better legs. If we remove Jumanji that was skewing the result, Jumanji less average legs were of 3.03 and total 3.07 Closest comparable in term of OW size: Get Out $ 33M $ 176M 5.27 Girls Trip $ 31M $ 115M 3.69 Murder on the Orient Express $ 29M $ 103M 3.58 Daddy's Home 2 $ 30M $ 104M 3.51 Split $ 40M $ 138M 3.46 John Wick: Chapter Two $ 30M $ 92M 3.02 Annabelle: Creation $ 35M $ 102M 2.92 Transformers: The Last Knight $ 45M $ 130M 2.91 Blade Runner 2049******* $ 33M $ 92M 2.81 Kingsman: The Golden Circle $ 39M $ 100M 2.57 The Mummy (2017) $ 32M $ 80M 2.53 Power Rangers (2017) $ 40M $ 85M 2.12 Alien: Covenant $ 36M $ 74M 2.05 Average $ 35M $ 107M 3.11 The movie that did worst with that type of OW were really not great and all franchise and/or sequel also.
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I was not kidding when I placed it in my list either: Shrek Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl(well it was a ride...) Finding Nemo Mamma Mia! Gladiator Inception The Hangover Amélie The Intouchables 8 Mile Fast and Furious (if we do not call it a point break remake) Minority Report Kill Bill Mean girl Brokeback Mountain Juno
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Maybe, was shot in 4K and had a 4K UDH bluray release planned before netflix annoucement: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2798920/technical http://cdon.se/film/annihilation_(4k_ultra_hd_%2b_blu-ray)-41780219 P.S. 4K is definitely High Definition (everything above 480i is called high definition by the industry)
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Marketing team make spoiler all the time. Spoiler: information about the plot of a motion picture or TV program that can spoil a viewer's sense of surprise or suspense Officially release or not has nothing to do about something being a spoiler or not, many artist got really angry with marketing head over the year's.
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Many of the biggest movie domestic ever appear on that list yes Timeline highest grossing movie / rank on the most number 1 favorite movie of all time among US adults in 2014 Birth of a nation: - Gone With the Wind: 1 Sound of Music: 6 Gone With the Wind (re-releases, retake the title): 1 The Godfather: 4 Jaws: - Star Wars: 2 E.T.: 10 Jurassic Park: - Titanic: 3 Avatar: - Fair to say that for now Jaws/Jurassic Park imprint are also bigger in the US than Avatar. It is maybe a bit low relative to the size of it's box office because of lack of loved character and the BO boosted by the 3D craze (that in itself, popularizing 3D/bluray for a little while was really a big pop culture impact for a movie), but it is still giant.
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That is such an high bar thought, Titanic is the third most loved movie by american adult: https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/gone-but-not-forgotten-gone-with-the-wind-is-still-americas-favorite-movie-300010911.html Only Gone With the Wind and Star Wars are more popular, there is a giant step between irrelevant and Titanic level of relevance. Just an hour ago, someone at work that saw Black Panther in theater said: My wife gave it a 10, I also give it a 10, best movie I saw since the 3D movie with the blue people in space, - Me: Avatar ? Yes that one. That how big it is among regular audience that love going in theater for the set piece and effects, almost 10 year's later and still referenced as the best movie they ever saw and what they compare big new release to. Not able to name anyone in it, any quote, or give a resume to what happen, but the world/design/energy/experience was one of the most memorable in history of cinema.
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Candidate are not many (and will depend of the market), going by not popular material and popular because of the movie instead of pure original and not making validation thinking about it: Some candidate loosely ranked: Shrek Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl(well it was a ride...) Finding Nemo Mamma Mia! Gladiator Inception The Hangover Amélie The Intouchables 8 Mile Fast and Furious (if we do not call it a point break remake) Minority Report Kill Bill Mean girl Brokeback Mountain Juno Nothing that clearly above Avatar but not too far either and Internet is misleading here, on IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/search/title?year=2009&title_type=feature&view=advanced It is not the most popular 2009 release for example.
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Tuesday Numbers (Feb 20): BP- 20.9 PR - 1.9 FSF - 1.6
Barnack replied to Porthos's topic in Numbers and Data
Maybe for the same reason they often use Thursday number to talk about 2nd week drop, just a way to have bigger more fun numbers for the OW title/article ?