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I would say that TLM is the crux and apex of the live action remakes. Sure, Zegler may be a draw for Snow White, but SW doesn't scream NOSTALGIA since it was made in 1939. Nobody wants to see a shot by shot remake of it. Lilo and Stitch will be fun and games. I'd say that all the griping and moaning about remakes lives and dies with TLM and most others, especially after SW, will just float away in the wind. It always seemed to be about some of legendary movies (which are better left for D+) and the renaissance films, of which there were really 4 or 5 that truly lasted in people's minds as classics. One of those was remade without being a musical and never got its shot in the theaters (Mulan). The others will always be the focal point of the "controversy" because their animated counterparts were all legendary and their live action remakes will all have been super successful (BatB, TLK, Aladdin, and TLM). Disney won't generate a billion dollar remake ever again after TLM.
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30 minutes ago, Hatebox said:
It never occurs to me to give a shit about audience scores but I suppose I can see why it’s a useful metric for a box office site. If someone were to maintain a database correlating those scores with eventual money made it would make for an interesting read.
It's very useful. It helps to see whether audiences will agree or offset critic scores. If both are bad, the movie will likely not succeed. If the critic scores are really good, but the audience scores are not, we can possibly look at a decent OW but then see poor legs. If the critic score is really bad but audience scores are good, it means that a movie could have a slow burn and better legs. Plus, the audience score usually indicates what the cinemascore will likely be.
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2 minutes ago, PrinceRico said:
The last two days they have been saying 10 between 12 million.
Yeah looking back I suppose you are right. I guess the question is why did comps keep going down and will the audience reaction give it at least a 10X IM.
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How did tracking get this so wrong? For a while, $12-$13 million looked solid.
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Well, based on the audience score right now, a low overseas total says more about "them" than the movie I'd say. With all that has been said, I am more curious about the response from Europe and Australia than Asia because, well, there was nothing anyone could do about the response from Asian nations.
As for domestic, this is going to make more than Aladdin. Possibly quite a bit more. Do people foresee an Aladdin situation where the true Friday-Monday stays pretty even and flat?
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And a vast majority are 5 stars from verified audiences.
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8 minutes ago, ThomasNicole said:
Just read the audience “reviews” online in every country and you’ll get your answer
As long as they can be translated.
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I wonder if some critics purposely waited until just before or right around release to drop their reviews. It's gone down a bit while the verified audience is still at 92% with over 100 reviews. Still early though.
@KonI think it was after Captain Marvel.
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I've never looked into how audience scores work. With critics, there are actual scores. Are there a number of stars needed for an audience review to be positive? Or does it count the total number of stars given out of the total number possible (5 per review)?
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17 minutes ago, PrinceRico said:
Audience score already up to 88 from 81. Thank god for verified scores.
92% now, Audience scores still in the infancy stage though.
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19 minutes ago, Porthos said:
TLM
$11 m seems to low.
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3 minutes ago, M37 said:
Looking to me like from early reports that True Thursday is going to come in under $11M, and its just a question of whether the value is high its enough with EA for $11.5M or $11M flat reported figure
What movie?
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26 minutes ago, Issac Newton said:
Korea
All details about Korean Reviews inside this article
https://n.news.naver.com/article/009/0005129576?sid=101
"What does the black fish princess say?"... This company standing on the edge of a cliff due to the controversy over the destruction of the original work [Park Min-ki's World Bus]
“흑어공주가 웬말”…원작 파괴 논란으로 벼랑 끝에 선 이 기업 [박민기의 월드버스]
WT actual F?????😵
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Sounds like we should completely disregard review sites from other countries as they don't seem to have anything in place to separate verified from general.
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Are all the audience scores so far only foreign?
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A lot of obsessing over The Flash when we have TLM coming out tomorrow.
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36 minutes ago, KP1025 said:
It feels worse to me for a few reasons. The complaints from those groups in the U.S. are mainly political and targeted at Disney's wokeness, but in China and South Korea many are attacking Halle directly. Secondly, in the U.S. the negative comments are at least drowned out by a much larger base of people supporting the movie. The negativity feels much louder online in China and South Korea.
That makes me very disappointed in South Korea if true. China-I have no idea what to think, but I expect better from SK.
As for comparing the live actions to animated, I'd say this. ALL the live actions are better live action movies than the animated movies. Likewise, ALL the animated movies are better animated movies than the live action movies.🥴
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26 minutes ago, KP1025 said:
Replying here so as to not derail the tracking thread.
Sorry, I should have clarified I meant China and South Korea as the main Asian markets opening this week. For those two, the comments are nearly identical. Outrage over the casting, Disney trying to be woke, etc. Remains to be seen if Japan will follow suit, but review bombing and brigading from netizens doesn't seem to be as prominent there.
Worse than what we've seen here in the US with "those" groups?
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16 minutes ago, KP1025 said:
At least in Asia, there's an unfortunate agenda against it that has nothing to do with the movie itself.
In ALL Asian nations? I've given up on trying to figure out China, but what agenda would Japan and South Korea have against it?
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44 minutes ago, stripe said:
Looks like 12M previews. And @keysersoze123 data for Friday points to a possible 30M.
So $120 million 3-day and over $140-150 million 4-day is on the table?
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1 hour ago, stripe said:
So TLM aiming for 40-45M Friday+previews. This is huge.
Other recent MD tentpoles: TGM (52M OD), Aladdin (31.3M), Solo (35.3M), Pirates5 (23.5M)
How do you come to those numbers?
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29 minutes ago, Prince Eric said:
10-11x IMO
That would be in the Sonic 2 (post pan) and BatB (pre pan ) range. That would be pretty good.
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7 minutes ago, keysersoze123 said:
Sub 10x for sure. Nothing I have indicated that backloaded an OW. Plus the fact that it has early shows tomorrow as well. it has close to 6000 shows at the biggest chain till thursday. I dont think pre-pandemic movies had such wide previews. Mostly the previews used to start later and had fewer shows. The concept of "previews" is gone. This is almost another full day of BO for big movies.
But isn't TLM prime for walk-ups? Plus, we have to factor in that Monday is a holiday for all schools, thus amplifying Sunday's numbers. Both Aladdin (pre-pandemic) and TGM (post pandemic) dropped less than 5% from Saturday to Sunday over Mem. weeknd. (but yeah, TGM's multi was muted)
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For TLM, are we expecting a weekend multiplier (3-Day) from previews to be in the range of movies like Sonic 2/Beauty and the Beast/Aladdin (11-13X) or more like JWD/AvatarWOW/Lion King (around 8X)?
My personal guess would be in between at around 9-10X range.
The Little Mermaid | Disney | May 26, 2023 | Queen Halle will rule the summer!
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Posted · Edited by jedijake
Wow, some critics are devious little $h!++s. They've pulled down the ratings from 73% to 67% which tells me that some of them wanted to wait until just as the movie is released to dump on it. One critic who gave it a rotten score stated that the movie was made for little girls who liked mermaids and not for him. Well, dude, maybe you should have critiqued it based on what the movie IS and not what YOU want it to be.
That's my take anyway. They have their opinions. I have my opinions about their opinions.