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I think that crowd considers anything without overt messaging to be anti-woke. That's why movie's like G-1 get drawn into the debate. I saw G-1 yesterday, and it was great. Every single movie doesn't need to give female characters agency (especially in historical settings where it would be immersion-breaking). It's fine to have a male-centric movie every once and a while, especially one as well made as this.

Both me and my sister saw the Last Jedi. We didn't 'hate' it, but we stopped caring (that movie turned star wars into a joke). Neither of us has seen the third movie whose name I can't be bothered to look up.' So yes, Last Jedi was enjoyable spectacle in a space balls kind of way.

I love the box office forum for the numbers and analysis, but it really has become an echo chamber. This saddens me a little.

Damn, you caught me before my edit.

So tied with the eternals and quantumania for the MCU's lowest cinemascore.

Funny, I have every thunderbolt comic up to issue 91 in a box in the basement, yet I have zero interest in seeing the movie. Rather, I dread what they'll do to my favorite comic run. For example, when fixer (white in comics) disguises himself as mach-one, his appearance is a black man. Nowadays that's called blackface, right? There's no way they'll keep that (it's a villain disguising himself, it shouldn't matter!). I don't even want to think about everything they'll change.

Moving this to thunderbolt thread

Rather than superhero burnout, I think it's that a lot of people have been "burnt" by disappointing superhero movies lately and are waiting for positive wom before heading to the cinema. That's why Guardian's 3 started low, but legged it out to a decent total. That's my 2 cents. (but don't trust me, I was completely wrong about barbie's legs)

We'll see. You might be right. All I know is that there is apparently some very heavy messaging in this film that is going to catch people by surprise. I just can't imagine this type of "bait and switch" is good for a movie's legs.

Well there it goes, 600m is locked. I just checked out of curiosity, and the last jedi had an A cinema score too: (honestly surprised about that.) https://twitter.com/CinemaScore/status/942037792544251904 There is a reason I bring this up. Both films had great trailers that hid potentially divisive elements. (no one was talking about how feminist barbie was until the review embargo lifted). I don't think the legs will be as bad a the last jedi (I haven't seen the movie, so I can't can't say for sure), but I don't think this will have staying power normally expected of an A cinema score. (I noticed projections for 72.5 friday earlier today, then it's down to 70). That's just my two cents.

Bullying an eighty year old man isn't the way to make a character endearing, especially when he's so beloved.

Unlikeable, badly written women are bad. From what I heard, PWB steals from Indie, tells police to shoot indie, and punches him unconscious. Why would I want to see that?

I'll respond to this by saying the Holdo maneuver is the dumbest thing I have ever seen in a major movie franchise. To drive home just how stupid that scene is, imagine a movie set on earth where the heroine runs the villain over with a car. The film then makes clear that no one on earth knew that "driving really fast into something causes damage" and that the heroine is a genius for figuring this out. God, I'm still peeved about it.

btw, how do the letters work? What do they mean?

Too true. I've been amazed at some of the mild toast comments that have gotten me warnings. I now mostly only lurk.

The roots of the fair skinned/dark skinned thing in a lot of places (not everywhere) is class based rather than race based. It's a discrimination against manual laborers (ie: the poor that are out working in the sun all day).

I will say that I saw the first Shazam opening weekend, but I have no desire to see the sequel. The ending of the first film greatly disappointed me. Shazam is only slightly weaker than superman. So six shazams together would be stronger than the justice league. It's ridiculous. Also, if shazam powers were something that can be shared, why stop at 6 people? Why not give everyone the power? Hell, once everyone can fly and generate electricity, that solves global warming (no need for cars/power plants). I mean there is literally no stakes now because, if the shazams run into problems, they can just share the power with more people.

Announcing Captain Marvel is the strongest is a problem because it completely destroys Thanos threat as villain right before endgame. Going into the big finale, you want the audience wondering: "how in the world are they going to beat him?" With the heroes having an ace up the sleeve like captain marvel, it destroys the tension.

A lot of people attribute MCU's success directly to Feige as a creative (the architect overseeing everything). The 'strongest' comment reveals that he was more a manager and someone else was the architect. The architect is gone now, and feige just doesn't have the skills to direct the MCU on his own.

MCU phase 1-3 were built around Thanos. He was the one all the interconnectivity was centered on, every piece of the puzzle foreshadowing as the ultimate villain. Thanos was the MCU's success. Why do I point this out? Because in 2016 Kevin Feige said 'captain marvel' is the strongest in the mcu. Ever since then I have know Feige wasn't the mastermind behind the MCU. If Thanos had really been his 'baby', his magnum opus, then there is no way he would have kneecapped him this way right before endgame. Judging by MCU phase 4-5, the genius behind the MCU is long gone. The one positive to all the mediocre content is that it's revealing Kevin Feige as a hack coasting off someone else's brilliance.

The whole idea behind representation is that people like seeing themselves in movies. It isn't Homophobics for straight people to have a preference for seeing straight romance. If you remove something that resonates with +95% of people, you've gotta make up for it elsewhere. Bland or uneventhful isn't gonna cut it.

I had completely forgotten about the world cup until this comment. Moving it to the winter was a terrible mistake.

People give Feige too much credit. The first twenty films of the MCU were a giant build-up towards Thanos. When Feige declared before endgame that "Captain Marvel is the most powerful in the MCU", this undercut the build-up (this isn't about politics, it's about story telling). A good villain is supposed to be stronger (think the scarlet witch). If Thanos was Feige's baby, he would never have undermined him like that. The vision behind the MCU was someone else and that person is probably gone.

I imagine many are desperately waiting at home to check their emails. No phone or internet also makes coordinating outings harder.

As what Disney probably considers a TLJ hater, I'm not sure your example holds up. I haven't seen TRoS. When something I love gets turned into a joke, I lose interest. (To me, the "Holdo Maneuver" was the dumbest thing ever done in a major movie franchise. Apparently, if you lightspeed into something it goes boom, and trillions of people over thousands of years were unable to figure this out.)