[The Box Office Buzz and Tracking Thread (December 2021 - July 2023)]

I will also note that Flash sales trend is pretty frontloaded to Thu in Drafthouse relative to Spiderverse, which also matches what I can see in other samples. I think it's quite possible that the IM is more like 6, with the caveat that smaller sales makes it harder to project farther out into the weekend. 

[The Box Office Buzz and Tracking Thread (December 2021 - July 2023)]

Fairly limited review bump for Flash considering that this is the point in time where you'd expect to see bumps anyway. Will wait for tomorrow to see how it holds to take any hard conclusions from it, but it's not in a good spot considering it has no more catalysts until release. 

[The Box Office Buzz and Tracking Thread (December 2021 - July 2023)]

25 minutes ago, Porthos said:

 

(keeping this in the Tracking thread as this actually is about tracking!!!     )

 

As I was saying Off Forum a little while ago, I think how one reacts to the RT rollout in regards to tracking (and please keep RT comments themselves/comments surrounding the film over there.  PLEASE) depends on how one is looking at the data/expectations.

 

If one was looking at the current/recent pace, then the reviews should be good enough to give a boost in pre-sales.  Perhaps even a sustained boost (at least over what would have happened if it was rotten/in the 40s-50s).

If one was looking for some of the early expectations by Those Ever Nebulous "Some Folks Out There" of 100m+/110m+???  Perhaps not.

 

Won't know until the actual data starts to roll in. 

 

So when I say over in The Flash thread that the current reviews are "Good Enough" I mean in the context of boosting sales over their current level.  

I mean I don't know if there was a case where reviews didn't boost the pace. Even Eternals saw a minor boost. But the films that Flash is being comped to for the double digit previews values (SV, Black Adam) finished pretty well so it'll need a pretty strong boost to keep up.

[The Flash | June 16 2023 | Ezra Miller, Michael Keaton | We’re stoping the count at a Nice 69% RT (it’s 72% For Real) | Please Remember that Your Enjoyment Of The Film is Not Based On Others Opinions And To Be Nice To Each Other]

3 minutes ago, Johnny Tran said:

 

You're wrong on Mario and it's to you to accept that fact.  Maybe you'll be right on The Flash but for you to say "well it's families" doesn't mean anything,  there was hardly any nuclear families at my showing and everyone still loved Mario.  It is what it is.  

 

You and the other guy who I can't remember his name but are also wrong on Fast X.  It's not "diminishing returns" it's what the box office landscape is.  $700-$750M is elite box office drawing power in 2023.  Fewer films are reaching the one billion mark. 

Your point is that critics and audiences were misaligned on Fast X because Fast X got an 85% from audiences? 85% and B+ aren't good audience scores. 

[The Flash | June 16 2023 | Ezra Miller, Michael Keaton | We’re stoping the count at a Nice 69% RT (it’s 72% For Real) | Please Remember that Your Enjoyment Of The Film is Not Based On Others Opinions And To Be Nice To Each Other]

I think it will end up in the 70s. Probably just the initial batch of reviews was bad on RT and now it seems to have gone up. 

[The Flash | June 16 2023 | Ezra Miller, Michael Keaton | We’re stoping the count at a Nice 69% RT (it’s 72% For Real) | Please Remember that Your Enjoyment Of The Film is Not Based On Others Opinions And To Be Nice To Each Other]

9 minutes ago, ThomasNicole said:

I think GA won’t have a problem with it because WB basically showed all the secrets on the marketing campaign, people know kinda what to expect

 

MOM tried the secretive path which led people to expect everything 

Also I'm pretty sure the GA will like this better than MoM as a movie even without cameo expectations etc, it sounds more crowdpleasing.

[The Flash | June 16 2023 | Ezra Miller, Michael Keaton | We’re stoping the count at a Nice 69% RT (it’s 72% For Real) | Please Remember that Your Enjoyment Of The Film is Not Based On Others Opinions And To Be Nice To Each Other]

Anyway I think reviews for this will be solid, audience response probably solid as well. I'm sure there will be a lot of...takes tomorrow though, but if it's a genuine crowdpleaser the RT score isn't too big of a deal. 

[The Flash | June 16 2023 | Ezra Miller, Michael Keaton | We’re stoping the count at a Nice 69% RT (it’s 72% For Real) | Please Remember that Your Enjoyment Of The Film is Not Based On Others Opinions And To Be Nice To Each Other]

1 minute ago, cooldude97 said:

he said it was the best movie he has seen this year

https://variety.com/2023/film/news/ezra-miller-dc-future-the-flash-recover-james-gunn-1235507014/

 

He did say it was at least one of the greatest superhero movies ever made. Though again, I don't really think that should be factored into the actual review. 

[The Flash | June 16 2023 | Ezra Miller, Michael Keaton | We’re stoping the count at a Nice 69% RT (it’s 72% For Real) | Please Remember that Your Enjoyment Of The Film is Not Based On Others Opinions And To Be Nice To Each Other]

4 minutes ago, cax16 said:

Man, this “greatest superhero movie”

nonsense is so annoying :/. Literally no one said that ever. Very frustrating that positive reactions are adding this stuff. 

I agree that it shouldn't affect the review, but Gunn has said this I thought?

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Yeah SV run is a bit weird in that the domestic opening is great in itself but the last couple of days had opened up some upside that didn't really materialize in the end. In the end it behaved mostly as presales were indicating last week.

[The Box Office Buzz and Tracking Thread (December 2021 - July 2023)]

17 minutes ago, keysersoze123 said:

Spiderverse MTC2 previews - 244846/643797 3289097.43 4806 shows

 

I am definitely missing some shows. That should be accounted by the ATP. I am still not buying 16m previews. Seems too low. It beat Guardians in both MTC comfortably. 

 

Spiderverse MTC1 Friday PS Final - 274568/1211561 4498223.74 6794 shows 

 

Hopefully the movie is less constrained on capacity. I am expecting great walkups today. 

When was the run completed for Friday? Same time as for Guardians/Antman?

[The Box Office Buzz and Tracking Thread (December 2021 - July 2023)]

I am more like 120 now. T-Mobile deal impacts are always a bit tough to account for and reviews dropping so late also messed with things. Previews seem like 18.

[The Box Office Buzz and Tracking Thread (December 2021 - July 2023)]

35 minutes ago, Austin said:

You got a better comp?

Am with Jat on Dune honestly, at least both will have strong PLF skew.

[The Box Office Buzz and Tracking Thread (December 2021 - July 2023)]

15 minutes ago, Porthos said:

re:  Oppenheimer discussion.

 

One thing to remember is that only PLF showtimes are on sale right now, which will probably mess with comps more than a little.  With that said, do agree that the best comp will probably be Nope for the reasons mentioned previously.

I think Nope will be a bad comp honestly, I think Nolan's audience is much more likely to prebuy (especially on day 1) than Peele's. 

[The Box Office Buzz and Tracking Thread (December 2021 - July 2023)]

Spiderverse MTC3 

 

Shows: 4241

Seats Sold: 87716/842682 

 

0.863x GOTG3 (15.1-15.5m depending on which figure you use)

 

Added 39k in the last two days vs 30k of GOTG3 even without the Atom/Tmobile deal applying to this chain (so it will underindex). 

 

[The Box Office Buzz and Tracking Thread (December 2021 - July 2023)]

On 5/26/2023 at 7:16 PM, Menor Reborn said:

Yeah it's gonna explode. If pace increases from yesterday as you indicated earlier then that would be an excellent trend to increase again the day after reactions. I think it's possible to hit 360k/20m previews.

I went down a little after the weekend didn't pace quite where I had hoped, but seems like MDW (and probably people waiting for Atom) deflated things even more than I had accounted for, and now it looks like I was low! Exceptional day, I am thinking 370k final MTC1. Hoping for huge days in regionals as well.

[The Box Office Buzz and Tracking Thread (December 2021 - July 2023)]

28 minutes ago, M37 said:

Listen, I’ve been trying to set some of our Reddit friends straight on SV for like 3 or 4 weeks … to not much success

 

But to be fair, on that sub I’m a rando who probably doesn’t sound any different than a Flash fan calling for a massive OW

Tbf that subreddit has grown pretty fast recently, a lot of the users are probably new to box office and haven't really experienced the trades putting out hilariously wrong numbers as much as many in this thread have. They will learn (hopefully).

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5 minutes ago, keysersoze123 said:

Mario Sequel has high probability of making it. Just open it with thursday previews. 

It would be one of the higher contenders, but I think Mario 2 is dropping.

[The Box Office Buzz and Tracking Thread (December 2021 - July 2023)]

Incredible day even with Atom deal factored in. Am back to thinking 350-360k with 40k-150k final day.

[The Box Office Buzz and Tracking Thread (December 2021 - July 2023)]

3 hours ago, TwoMisfits said:

Just going to add for TMobile deal effect - looking at my local with PLF (an Atom theater), you can't really get primetime 7pm PLF seats for Spidey in family sizes anymore.  But you can buy your tickets til Sunday and use them whenever, as long as Atom is selling the seats.  Right now, Atom is selling seats for Spidey up to 1 week out on PLF and 2 weeks out normal, so the effect can remain even after the weekend for the BIG movies.

 

TMobile never usually picks the BIG movies for this deal, so it doesn't usually matter...Wick 4 was the closest big movie that had the deal...and that's not quite a supers blockbuster, though it was close...

NWH did have it I thought

[The Box Office Buzz and Tracking Thread (December 2021 - July 2023)]

8 minutes ago, charlie Jatinder said:

Wednesday will likely stay flat or minor up/down depending on past T Mobile deal trends

This will have review boost on Wed which others didn't, I think it will increase again though not as much.

[The Box Office Buzz and Tracking Thread (December 2021 - July 2023)]

1 hour ago, keysersoze123 said:

It definitely looks like it. I wonder how tomorrow would behave with reviews out plus its T-1. I could see thursday come close to Thor thorsday. Thor did 41K and 161K in final 2 days after 26K tuesday. 

I had been thinking 27k-35k-150k, with great reviews helping spur a Wed bump even with Atom, and then a slightly better final day ratio than Thor.

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I can't see this going close to rotten based on the reactions. I know people have been burned with the DCEU but the reactions read like something that will be easily fresh, though maybe not the 90+ raves that WB seems to be hoping for.

[The Box Office Buzz and Tracking Thread (December 2021 - July 2023)]

21 minutes ago, keysersoze123 said:

Spider-man across the Spiderverse Previews

MTC1(T-5) - 116120/748417 2081174.98 4010 shows 

MTC2 - 63691/411095 930920.58 2517 shows 

 

relatively slow day. I guess real final push starts tomorrow. 

Probably Monday. Tomorrow's bump will be limited since it's a long weekend.

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3 hours ago, ZattMurdock said:

At the height of good twenty years between the Batman ‘89 era and the TDK trilogy, he was. Today I’d argue that post belongs to Spider-Man and Iron Man. 

I wouldn't say Iron Man. It's RDJ's portrayal which made that character's MCU version huge, he doesn't have the enduring fanbase for the character across iterations.