[Barbie | July 21, 2023 | Warner Bros | Margot Robbie is Barbie. Ryan Gosling is Ken. | Second most profitable movie of 2023]

29 minutes ago, BestPicturePlutoNash said:

wow media literacy truly is dead

...ok? Do you have anything to actually contribute to the discussion other than snark?

[Barbie | July 21, 2023 | Warner Bros | Margot Robbie is Barbie. Ryan Gosling is Ken. | Second most profitable movie of 2023]

4 hours ago, BoxOfficeZ said:

 

I swear these people are just looking for an excuse to hate on pink. Spoiler rant incoming. The movie literally has an entire plot line about:

 

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how boys are not taught how to deal with their emotions so instead they cling to the patriarchy and actually get denied an identity separated from masculinity. The whole movie teaches that Barbie and Ken don't have to fit with expectations. THe movie has a lot of empathy for the Kens. 

 

The specific song that they were playing on the beach plays into this theme too (a gf's mental space who abused one of the band members). It's not just a toxic place the Kens fell to but also their relationship to Barbie and how women felt those same things, so the problem isn't going to be found from the sexes alienating each other or we'll just end up causing the same hurt in each other over and over like a metronome. It's not only Ken realizing he can be just Ken. Barbie also realizes that Ken's existence isn't only in relation to her and when she thinks of him that way it does hurts him, just like she can be hurt that way too. Love this

 

Barbieland makes more sense when you realize it's not a society but an analogy for mental space of women to dream about their potential in life. Anyways end of the day it's about working through what society puts upon us in different ways and the confusion that's pretty much normal in life and growing up together.

 

Greta is giving out great free life advice but there'll be those idiots that say the movie is anti-men. But this will def be driven by toxic conservatives grifters who need the hate to drive their profits.

 

Spoiler

"Man-hating" is not the word I would use, but all the male characters in the film are depicted in pretty stereotypical ways. You can argue that was part of the story with the Kens (it generally fell flat for me), but even in the real world every single male character is either incompetent, annoying, or actively malicious. Alan is probably the only exception but even he is portrayed as pretty much just self-interested.

 

And of course at the end of the movie, Barbieland sexism is made "like the real world" where the Kens are handed some scraps while the Barbies retain all the real power. Felt like the movie was intending to depict it as a mirror to real-life society, but it's muddled by how the ending is portrayed as some kind of happy victory for the Barbies when really the whole movie just had Barbieland switching between different oppressive systems. Plus it is not really believable that all the Kens would just accept going back to being second-class citizens after they had gotten a taste of being the oppressors. The way that subplot was resolved so quickly and neatly again contributed to them seeming like a bunch of incompetent doormats who are pretty much inferior to the Barbies in every way, which in turn muddles the message of "Ken has value independently of Barbie." In general "Battle of the Sexes" stuff like this can be pretty fraught and I don't think this movie had the nuance to do it correctly. 

 

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Barbie Friday Marcus

 

58951/184474, 1421 shows

 

0.95x BP2 (52.5 million)

 

Oppy Friday Marcus

 

26153/86215, 667 shows

 

I don't have appropriate comps for this but it increased fairly well on T-1. 

[The Marvels | November 10, 2023 | Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter]

It looks good to me. Not sure about BO as the trailer stats are pretty bad on YouTube but fairly decent on other platforms which makes it hard to tell. But I am excited.

[Barbie | July 21, 2023 | Warner Bros | Margot Robbie is Barbie. Ryan Gosling is Ken. | Second most profitable movie of 2023]

1 minute ago, AJG said:

The verified score for this is 33%

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Mind you, there's only 4 reviews.

 

There are definitely more than 4 reviews and the score cannot be that low based on the written ones.

[Disney+ MCU: Secret Invasion | Samuel L. Jackson and Ben Mendelsohn and Olivia Colman]

3 hours ago, TwoMisfits said:

 

So, I'm through 3 episodes and I'm waiting for Nick Fury to be a hero b/c right now, after 3 episodes, I'm watching Skrulls battle each other while Nick Fury is the weakest, most powerless, non-Nick Fury guy around.

 

I mean, this isn't like they rebooted the character, so they could decide to make a non-bad-a$$ Nick Fury.  This is the same guy from all the other shows.  When did everything he ever did get boiled down to "well, we skrulls did everything for you, so sit there and let us keep doing it, you lying promise breaker."  I dunno.  It's just not the invasion or Nick Fury I thought I was gonna get.  Maybe the last 3 episodes get better...

It only gets worse and worse.

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Barbie Marcus Theaters

 

Wed: 9288/10250, 60 shows

Thu: 20934/105183, 809 shows

 

Combined comp: 0.947x Black Panther 2 (26.5 million)

 

Fri: 34956/183275, 1407 shows

 

Comp: 0.836x Black Panther 2 (46 million)

 

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16 minutes ago, M37 said:

I wouldn’t say they’re BS, rather a not necessarily representative sample, but should correlate decently to presales, less so on walk-ups/GA.  So to me, it says something that a lower awareness film is having this kind of presale run (what, exactly, I’m not sure)

They probably can't account for fanbase interest which tends to be more concrete than GA interest. Nolan has a sizeable and engaged fanbase.

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I think there's a good case for Barbie going 150+ if it can get to a low-20s preview. Friday sales are great with a better ratio than Spiderverse so I'm not really seeing IM significantly below 7. I guess the question is if it gets limited by being underscheduled, but it definitely seems like the demand is there.

[Disney+ MCU: Secret Invasion | Samuel L. Jackson and Ben Mendelsohn and Olivia Colman]

Yeah this show pretty much sucks. I have found all the previous MCU shows to be at least decent, this one I'm having to force myself through. Nothing makes any sense and nothing has any weight.

[Ahsoka Live Action Series | Disney Plus | August 23]

This looks great. So hyped to see the Rebels gang back together. 

[Steve Rogers Birthday Bash Weekend Thread | 5-Day #s: Indy 83.4, Elemental 18, Spidey 17.65, Sound of Freedom 14.2, No Hard Feelings 11.3]

37 minutes ago, XXR Doom N' Gloom said:

The IM will be interesting. Had a long back and forth with @Menor Reborn about the potential multiplier last night. Under 7 would not be at all surprising, IMO.

Since I am tagged let me just say that weekend sales have me thinking a good bit higher, mid-50s for the weekend.

[The Box Office Buzz and Tracking Thread (December 2021 - July 2023)]

Barbie's EA is one of the toughest to deal with since it has sold so well and is making up such a big percentage of sales so far. It'll be a bit easier to project after a couple days once we see how much it's adding for EA and Thu. Like if you add EA and Thu then it looks like a very frontloaded Fri ratio while compared to just Thu it looks very backloaded (but then the Thu start is less crazy).

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1 hour ago, Grebacio said:

Crawdads?

Barbie is gonna be way too big for that raw comp to be of any value.

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Thing is Flash had easy comps that made it clear from the start it wasn't opening that huge. Barbie is a bit of an odd duck, even after the first full day of presales I suspect there will be a wide range of possibilities. That said this will clearly be a success from EA starting off that big, it's just a question of how much.

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1 hour ago, PlatnumRoyce said:

 

 

Anything to this? 

I'm not even sure where the Ant-Man numbers are from, I don't think traditional tracking had that at 120 ever (maybe for 4-day, which it ended up hitting despite being awful). If anything Ant-Man was a case where interest in the movie was underestimated by traditional tracking, but then the very low quality led to it hitting that.

 

Guardians and the two DC films were legit underperformances, yes. I would note that with Guardians it did leg very well, so it's possible tracking just didn't adjust to an MCU fanbase that was jaded from low quality releases and waiting for proof of it being good. Similarly the DC fanbase is in a weird place with the upcoming reboot.

 

I would note though that Transformers underperformed traditional tracking which I believe was 68-70 million, so this list is selective. I also don't agree with excluding Across from the CBM list. It's also mixing and matching BO Pro tracking with NRG-style polling based tracking, and those are different models. 

 

There is likely something to audiences becoming a bit tired of a stream of low quality CBMs recently, but this tweet overstates the case.

[Father’s Day/Juneteenth Weekend Thread | Flash implodes with 55M, Elemental bombs with 29M, holdovers hold atrociously | Theaters are dead, streaming is dead. Everything is dead really.]

20 minutes ago, ZattMurdock said:

I know it’s very unlikely, but it would be wild if Blue Beetle grosses more than The Flash. I have a thing for underdogs.

Keep an eye on the clubs forum in the next couple of days...

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2 minutes ago, Madhuvan said:

This would be really good outcome for MCU

 

Did you mean 90m OW for Thunderbolts cause otherwise a crazy multiplier

Bolts is Christmas.

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7 minutes ago, ringedmortality said:

Its anti-art she’s not getting Eternals 2 imo

The truth has been spoken

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4 minutes ago, TigerPaw said:

What is Friday (incl previews) looking like? Ignoring deadline.

24ish (not comscore but extrapolation from chain)

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I think Deadline may be highballing that number as well. Walkups have been absolutely horrible so far today where I'm tracking and comparing to SV2's pace is making it seem closer to 14. We'll see if it can seriously pick up the pace to hit that Deadline number but I definitely wouldn't put my hopes on it going higher than that.

[Father’s Day/Juneteenth Weekend Thread | Flash implodes with 55M, Elemental bombs with 29M, holdovers hold atrociously | Theaters are dead, streaming is dead. Everything is dead really.]

We also have to account for the Weekend Thread Law -- the more minutely the page count is observed, the faster it shall increase.

[Father’s Day/Juneteenth Weekend Thread | Flash implodes with 55M, Elemental bombs with 29M, holdovers hold atrociously | Theaters are dead, streaming is dead. Everything is dead really.]

2 minutes ago, Into the Legion-Verse said:

I'm going to project the thread for 97 pages based on the data presented but with a good chance the studio fudges it over

I think we have good reason to expect IM of thread to be inversely proportional to IM of Flash. 

[Father’s Day/Juneteenth Weekend Thread | Flash implodes with 55M, Elemental bombs with 29M, holdovers hold atrociously | Theaters are dead, streaming is dead. Everything is dead really.]

14 minutes ago, Madhuvan said:

Where is this optimism for The Marvels coming from??

 

Ant Man 3 trailer atleast got people talking about it. The Marvels trailer was just there. If you aren't a hardcore MCU fan , you won't understand anything that's happening there.

 

It should have been Captain Marvel 2 not The Marvels , a big missed opportunity and marketing fail

It's trailer stats were ok, not great but nothing disastrous either. Probably will be a more lighthearted escapism than some of the other options on offer in the fall. If it's good it should do just fine. 

[Father’s Day/Juneteenth Weekend Thread | Flash implodes with 55M, Elemental bombs with 29M, holdovers hold atrociously | Theaters are dead, streaming is dead. Everything is dead really.]

6 minutes ago, Cmasterclay said:

I can't believe how unappealing the Captain America/Thunderbolts combo is for Marvel next year. TV directors making TV movies that you had to watch a whole TV show to understand. MCU is in pretty bad shape too, folks. But unlike DC at least they had their great years. Now they're in their Jordan on the Wizards phase.

Uh...no?