Doctor Stark

Did the numbers slow down as the day went on? Last I heard this thing was having Infinity War-level pre-sales. Did it match it for the first few hours and then fall behind?

I feel like the Avengers theme just started playing in real life. This is the start of a turn around/boost for Endgame, I can feel it.

I came here to say this too! WOW!!!!

It’s just that some people are trying to saying Avatar’s first run is bigger if Endgame does not pass $2.755 billion by the time this new version releases. Even though there are two contested figures and this is not even a re-release as it is just bonus content post-credits and the film is still very much in theaters.

This record is too unknown to really care about. Some say it came from the original run internationally after the Special Edition released, others say it is internationally over many years. Endgame isn’t even re-releasing and if you want to draw a line in the sand then I guess even if that money came from Avatar’s original run, it does not count as the Special Edition had already been released. We can’t even all agree upon a number, so who cares? If Endgame beats Avatar’s total no one will care about this either way.

I can’t believe people are trying to set up the narrative that Avatar’s first run is bigger if Endgame does not pass $2.755 billion before the new version releases. It is not even a re-release, still in theaters and the core film is unchanged, just post-credits stuff. Additionally, it already passed the $2.749 billion figure and would easily pass $2.755 billion in the near future on its own by ten million or more.

As long as it can reach a slightly higher number with actuals this is good, especially because the re-release and Spider-Man are coming up. Without those I’m guessing it would be good for about $5 million more overseas, $10 million or a bit more domestic. So like we’ve said, a natural finish of $2.765 billion to $2.770 billion.

Couldn’t Disney just do something like that if they need to? How did Fox get away with it?

So basically the only way to deny that Endgame sold more tickets globally than Avatar is to ignore all the data we have. Obviously we can’t have 100% accurate admission statistics, but when the estimated gap with all countries added in is probably around 100 million between Endgame and Avatar, Endgame absolutely sold more, no debate. Though I’m sure many will still insist otherwise due to alleged biases or whatever. Great analysis!

What if Kevin Feige is secretly a mega Avatar/Cameron fan and is playing his cards carefully to ensure Endgame gets as close as possible without passing it? The greatest box office twist in history!

Basically extrapolating based on how it has been holding recently and estimating how much it will make overseas and domestically during its remaining time in theaters.

Haha that’s great, I’ve had a similar idea in my head with this scene specifically pertaining to if Disney decides to push it over. This guy did a great job on it.

We know it is at least some places overseas, hopefully Disney gets it in every country possible. Every dollar counts at this point. $5 million is literally a huge amount of money for Endgame right now, which is why something like Spider-Man helping it by just that much domestically would still be fantastic and help shift the odds in its favor.

That is the thing. This won’t just get it over right away, but it will give it enough of a boost, in tandem with Spidey, that its late legs can carry it past Avatar. It really is not that hard to get an extra $15-$20 million from something like this worldwide. Plus they have opportunities like Labor Day expansion if they really need one final push, though I doubt they will. It is holding so well already, this plus Far From Home will really boost it imo. Probably gets over/under $2.8 billion when all is said and done. Disney clearly wants the record, and it’s not like it will be that hard to get. Effort is required, but it is doable, especially by a company with so much influence. That’s why after today I see Endgame’s topping of Avatar as inevitable. Even if this boost somehow missed it it would be like a few million away, easy to get over. As you said, it was going to finish around $2.770 billion. How does this not gather at least another $15 million total due to its effect for the remainder of Endgame’s run? I would not be surprised if the Spider-Man boost by itself could give $5-$10 million in total worldwide. With Disney now putting this new version in theaters domestic and international, with a potential theater count expansion, that bump will be bigger as people have more of an incentive to see it one final time before Spider-Man releases. It will probably still be a pretty slow crawl, but one with an actual finish line in site.

I can see this re-release or whatever it is being a lot bigger than many here are expecting. This plus the Far From Home boost will be a killer combo. Now people REALLY have a reason to see it a final time before Spider-Man. It also depends on what the bonus content is.

“I know I said no more surprises, but I was really hoping to pull off one last one.” Avatar is going down imo with this news. Not saying it will happen right away, but this will give it enough of a boost to let it get over sooner or later.

With these drops it better not lose a lot of theaters this week.

Endgame would pass Avatar if it did not have to deal with record-low exchange rates. Give it last year’s rates and it would have already passed it. Give it 2009’s and god knows what it would achieve. Because of that, a re-release or push to get it over is totally fair. Especially when you consider Avatar got one, and Endgame’s first run is going to be higher than Avatar’s first. Endgame has even sold substantially more tickets worldwide. It absolutely deserves to pass Avatar.

If I had to guess I would say a very small drop, maybe a slight increase. Who knows, perhaps it surprises us and really gives Endgame a temporary second wind. No matter what, I expect it to at least help it slightly.

Since Endgame is now holding super well, where do you see it landing without a re-release/expansion? I’m thinking ~$2.770 billion can happen. Maybe even higher if Spider-Man really comes in swinging on Endgame’s left. Weird how much better things look compared to even a week ago. People thought Avatar first run would be a photo finish.

Nah. Lion King will be big surely, but not at that level. Ceiling for that is probably around $2.2 billion, Titanic’s box office. The only thing other than the Avatar sequels and future Avengers movies that could do it soon and has a viable shot is Endgame if Disney is determined to get it over the mark via a re-release/expansion or whatever. If not, I’d say look to Avatar 2 or the next Marvel event film. Who knows, maybe another original film will do it and sequels will never hold the crown. It really has to be from the two franchises I just mentioned or something that blows up that we don’t see coming a la Titanic and Avatar. I do not see that being super possible in today’s marketplace though, which is why I think it has to be an established franchise to do it. This is the reason I listed Avatar and Avengers, two franchises with domestic and overseas appeal at the level necessary to dethrone Avatar.

I think some may have enough money for other stuff, but just need to be truly urged to spend the rest of it on anything other than the big tentpoles. Something like Dark Phoenix, which has virtually no hype and mediocre trailers, is not going to cut it. The only way a movie like it does well is if it gets rave reviews and amazing word of mouth, which I can confidently say will not happen.

Honestly, I’ve just been truly annoyed with them since they got this thread locked due to excessive trolling and derailing. Do your own stuff in the Avatar 2 thread, don’t invade others. If you do, actually have something useful to say instead of hate and belittling.

It is very weird, I think they are very similar with people who jump on the bandwagon of the number one sports team. The man’s achievements are crazy impressive, but it’s odd how they all call him Jim, worship his accomplishments, and act like they are good friends with the guy.

If it does end up over Avatar there are going to be a lot of excuses going around. Probably will say it cheated with a re-release/expansion even though Avatar did the same. This is going to be a looooong ride just like Black Panther’s trek to $700 million. Will Disney help it? The world may never know.