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    Weekdays Thread (12/19-22) | Avatar: The Way of 14.5 | Mon 16.2, Tue 18.3, Wed 14.3, Thu 14.5| Puss 3.2 OD | Check In For Your Hourly Weather Update

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    4 minutes ago, ZattMurdock said:

    May the 4th is celebrated as the Star Wars day for almost 50 years now. Star Wars Celebration is an official event for 22 years. Lucas literally invented the ‘summer blockbuster’. Not a single Star Wars film was released during Christmas before The Force Awakens, and while now in hindsight it makes perfect sense, it was controversial back when it happened, one of the reasons what happened with Avatar’s first weekends with the weather. If that doesn’t seems like a game changer for the franchise to you, I don’t know what to tell you. 

    and Avatar still managed to become the highest grossing movie despite the weather? What?

    I don't even know... ok I'm stopping there promise. Say whatever you want, that's enough for me

    Weekdays Thread (12/19-22) | Avatar: The Way of 14.5 | Mon 16.2, Tue 18.3, Wed 14.3, Thu 14.5| Puss 3.2 OD | Check In For Your Hourly Weather Update

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    6 minutes ago, ZattMurdock said:

    Not necessarily. Cameron was the first sci fI blockbuster to exploit the release window with Avatar, but their approaches were different. Star Wars going for Christmas was apparently a happy coincidence, because Marvel Studios already had the usually “May 4th" date scheduled. The rest is history and Iger claimed that Christmas are Star Wars dates now iirc.

    It's not like putting Star Wars there was a very bold choice when the 2 highest grossing movies of all time had that release date, I wouldn't call that "changing the ball game". I'll leave it at that

    Weekdays Thread (12/19-22) | Avatar: The Way of 14.5 | Mon 16.2, Tue 18.3, Wed 14.3, Thu 14.5| Puss 3.2 OD | Check In For Your Hourly Weather Update

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    27 minutes ago, Porthos said:

     

    I mean, not really?  The possibility of large winter storms were one of the reasons why Hollywood historically shied away from plopping blockbusters in the Xmas time period until TFA changed the ballgame.  Okay, I'll grant you China, but just speaking domestically it isn't that unexpected.

     

    Either way, a film like A2 should be able to make it up in the Dec 26 - Jan 2 window, or beyond even, if WOM/legs are actually there.  Case in point, A1 and its famous snow storm.

     

    TFA was the first blockbuster released in December?

    A2 WEEKEND THREAD | 134.1M DOM OW | Thurs 17m / Fri 36m / Sat 45m / Sun 36m

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    24 minutes ago, Mulder said:

    I specified average person for a reason, I and you and other people more invested in film and VFX will see the difference. The average lay-person? I don't know if they will.

    The point of better VFX in something like Avatar is to create a more tangible immersive experience. It's something that you feel while watching the movie, you don't need to be a discerning viewer

    A2 WEEKEND THREAD | 134.1M DOM OW | Thurs 17m / Fri 36m / Sat 45m / Sun 36m

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    13 minutes ago, XXR Tulkun Rider said:

     

    Because we can read the room. China is going to make less than the original did. Europe as a whole will probably make 60% of the first. DOM likely comes in $150-200M less than the first. WOM is good but it's not "OMG you have to experience this!" good like the 1st one was. There is still plenty of unknown on how much it ends up making, but we're talking arguments in the $1.6-2.2B range, no where near $2.9B+

    I mean a lot of people are definitely saying this and more. It's not like everyone is saying it's mid, wom doesn't necessarily work like an average. It definitely has that "never before seen" factor, which is huge.

     

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    Avatar: The Way of Water | 16 DEC 2022 | Don't worry guys, critics like it

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    2 minutes ago, StreamBO said:

    The not work for everyone is being exagerated when 90% likes the movie. Is the Wakanda Forever situation again, that if you search the internet you would think people hated it but got an A near A+ cinemascore with 90% of people liking it. But Avatar unlike Black Panther 2 is not a heavy movie. So Avatar 2 could benefit like the first plus no competition. 

    you mean fan heavy?

    Avatar: The Way of Water | 16 DEC 2022 | Don't worry guys, critics like it

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    28 minutes ago, Nero said:

    I know it's hyperbole but these overblown predictions is what causing doom n gloom

    Well yeah it's a joke...

    But there is no doom n gloom for me. I don't know who here has personal stakes in how much a movie makes, but not me. It's just a game for me. If Cameron beats the record, cool! If he doesn't? Life goes on, it's not that serious. 

    I think people claiming that expecting Cameron to do the same thing he has done twice in a row is "unrealistic" are bringing their own negativity here. Nothing wrong with dreaming big, just hoping for mid results is boring af in my opinion. Not that there is anything wrong with mid predictions, if that's what you believe is going to happen, then that's perfect. But why shame others for seeing big things?

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    Avatar: The Way of Water | 16 DEC 2022 | Don't worry guys, critics like it

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    Posted · Edited by Alexdube

    Great fun but in all honesty, as a giant Cameron nerd, I don't think Avatar 2 is the world destroyer Titanic and Avatar were.

    It's not that it's better or worst, it's that those movies were essentially perfectly tuned blockbusters. Perfectly engineered to make boat loads of money. 

    The main issue I think is the script, it's the first big movie Cameron is directing that was written by a writers' room instead of mostly just himself, and it shows. It's less focused, less efficient storytelling.

     

    But I'm only "disappointed" here because I was essentially hoping for some form of "perfection", which I didn't really get here.

    It also didn't help that I had to settle for a regular 3d screening and that of course, it wasn't bright enough. Definitely took away from the experience.

    Next time, I'm going to watch this on the best biggest screen available, maybe with slightly lowered expectations, and I know I'm going to have a great time because there is a  lot of cool stuff in there.

     

    As for how much this movie will make? I had no idea before, I still have no idea now. I think it's the biggest wild card in history in terms of box office. But I won't be disappointed whatever it makes, whatever happens happens. If this isn't the big one, there is always the next one! (barring an unlikely catastrophe)

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    Avatar: The Way of Water | 16 DEC 2022 | Don't worry guys, critics like it

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    Something Cameron has undoubtedly succeeded at (and that's a crucial point if this is going to be a record run) is making something that people have not seen before. This is something he always sets out to do but even I didn't anticipate he would succeed at that so categorically. I expected to see a lot more of: "this looks just like the first Avatar!". Not at all. Even the worst reviews have to concede that it is technically impressive.  This movie will clearly have that "it" factor going forward that will undoubtedly give it legs. 

     

    How many times have I seen people saying things like: "oh nobody is impressed by CG anymore!", "vfx are so common now, Avatar will be nothing special!".

     

    Then you read something like this, and I've seen a lot of this kind of raving (top RT critic):

    https://www.reelviews.net/reelviews/avatar-the-way-of-water

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    It’s finally here. After years of missed release dates related to postproduction issues, James Cameron’s oft-delayed sequel to 2009’s Avatar has finally arrived. Was it worth the 13-year wait? Unquestionably. It’s difficult to overstate how impressive and potentially game-changing this motion picture is. Nothing before has prepared audiences for the immersion offered by Avatar: The Way of Water when seen in optimal circumstances. The film’s straightforward narrative (which isn’t going to garner any writing nominations) plays a distant second fiddle to the amazing technical leap forward that this movie offers. If theatrical movies are going to survive, this is the future – the kind of experience that will get me off my sofa and into a well-upholstered theater seat. The Way of Water gave me three-plus hours like no other three-plus hours I have spent in a multiplex. By alternating fast-paced action sequences with slower, more contemplative stretches, Cameron calms the blood pressure before repeatedly elevating it. Those in search of a rich emotional experience or complex storyline won’t find either here, but those things have never been the director’s bread-and-butter. He offers enough of both to allow his vision and his team’s technical bravura to smooth out any pacing inconsistencies and take the viewer down a dizzying rabbit hole. Awesome.

     

    It still echoes some of the negative things that have been said, but it's clear that this movie has something special that will garner up a lot of curious who don't want to miss out

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