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Posted in the Strike thread, but still relevant here:
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6 minutes ago, FunkMiller said:
The language coming out of the WGA suggests the studios must have caved on quite a lot of things. This would mark a very healthy shift in the power balance in Hollywood.
If true, then good.
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3 hours ago, Porthos said:
I mentioned this weeks (months??) earlier in the thread, but it bears repeating:
Drew Carey is a Grade A+++ Good Dude. 👍
I'd expect no less from a man who served in the Marine Corps.
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14 hours ago, SpiderByte said:
This is a huge show of confidence.
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Cautiously optimistic but things can change fast.
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6 minutes ago, SpiderByte said:
Bit of an eyebrow raise here, this was supposed to be playing with Wish. Could be just ABC needs stuff to air during the strike, but possibly (though not likely) might indicate a delay.
I'd hope not... but it wouldn't surprise me.
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So... nobody actually thinks that this is getting resolved in time to salvage scripted shows this year, right?
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My 30 for 30 List:
1. Schindler's List
2. Jurassic Park
3. Philadelphia
4. Carlito's Way
5. The Age of Innocence
6. In the Name of the Father
7. Army of Darkness
8. The Firm
9. Batman: Mask of the Phantasm
10. The Fugitive
11. Falling Down
12. In the Line of Fire
13. Tombstone
14. Demolition Man
15. Dazed and Confused
16. The Nightmare Before Christmas
17. A Bronx Tale
18. Dave
19. Cliffhanger
20. Fearless
21. This Boy's Life
22. Wayne's World 2
23. Mrs. Doubtfire
24. Six Degress of Separation
25. Homeward Bound
26. Free Willy
27. Rudy
28. Addams Family Values
29. Dragon: The Bruce Lee Story
30. Menace II Society
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4 minutes ago, Issac Newton said:
A shame there was no way to not prolong the issue or avoid it entirely...
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10 minutes ago, ZeroHour said:
I don't think the argument that these companies are only slightly inconvenienced by the strikes holds up. It's true that Amazon and Apple could never make another scripted show or movie again and wouldn't be affected much, but that's really not true for the rest of these companies. Paramount, Netflix, WBD, Disney, Sony, etc. all depend on creating new scripted content to drive their businesses to one extent or another. Even Disney who has very lucrative theme park and cruise businesses depends on their IP to drive interest in those parts of the company. Shareholders and Wall Street do not actually like seeing these companies bleed money and they're not just going to think "oh well, the stocks will all just bounce back when the strikes end" because they know the longer this takes to resolve, the longer the gap will be between when these companies run out of fresh content and when the content they create post-strikes is ready to deliver. Most of these companies are trying to hike up the cost of their streaming services right now and that's not going to go well if they can't deliver fresh hit shows regularly. Even Netflix started to bleed subscribers until Stranger Things 4 saved their butts and they got the hit machine rolling again post-COVID. And if you think losing money in streaming can't cost someone their job, you should check in on how Bob Chapek is doing these days.
Yes, David Zaslav and Bob Iger are not going to lose their homes or stop being 1 percenters no matter how this resolves itself, even in the unlikely event it cost one of them their job. But their job is to increase their companies' earnings and failing to do that because they can't make new things is not merely inconvenient. It seems silly to have to say, but collective action works. There's a long history of it! Will the WGA and SAG be able to hold out long enough to get terms they can live with? That's impossible to say from the outside, and yes, a lot of people are suffering. But acting like the CEOs can just say "let them eat cake" indefinitely while their film slates, streaming services, and cable lineups all dry up is not realistic.
All of this.
These studios will eventually start feeling the consequences of these strikes and will have to come to terms with the fact that they can't wait it out.
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On 12/31/2022 at 8:51 AM, Eric the Nun said:
June 16
Elemental: Daddy Iger’s return doesn’t mean anything. We now live in a world where Disney’s animated movies aren’t theater destinations anymore for families and we have to deal with that. Everybody knows it’ll be free in a few weeks, so why rush out and pay for it? Kids don’t care about theaters anymore, and frankly, this movie has the look and feel of a Pixar parody rather than an actual Pixar movie. Bombs away, and another stepping stone for Disney’s animated movies to become permanently trapped on Disney+ forever. I know people don’t like hearing this stuff, but the truth hurts sometimes. 25/90 (3.6x)
The Flash: Ezra’s gone cuckoo, which has already alienated the fanbase, and apparently this won’t even matter for the new Gunn/Safran era? I think? Again, the big problem is that these movies don’t lead to anything, so the fanbase doesn’t care. And if the core audience doesn’t care, why should the GA, who are definitely suffering from superhero fatigue? This still has more going for it than Shazam and will probably do more than Transformers, but it’s just not going to be that big at all. 70/185 (2.64x)
These did not age well...
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53 minutes ago, tonytr87 said:
The 100 min runtime is whatever. The trailers are what are dooming this. What's worse is it looks like there was no communication between the Secret Invasion team and The Marvels team. Fury sounds like a different person
I mean, I'm fine with them pretending that Secret Invasion never happened. So...
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9 minutes ago, Issac Newton said:
I doubt that. Apple probably won't want to get involved in the Cruise and Theme Park business.
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41 minutes ago, SpiderByte said:
I can't imagine too many, it probably won't go that far ahead. At furthest maybe it'll cover Snow White
I don't think Elio or Inside Out 2 will be moving, either.
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I wonder what new release dates we'll have announced at D23 this Sunday?
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4 minutes ago, Bob Train said:
If the Writer's strike does not end before October 3rd, it will become the longest strike in WGA history, surpassing the 1988 strike, which lasted for 154 days.
I expect this one to surpass 200 days when all is said and done.
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6 minutes ago, 21C said:
There is no actual solution for them. WBD is kinda singularly screwed in this situation because again, it's not like they can part ways with the AMPTP on their own without getting sued. And I kinda doubt that Zaslav's voice in that room really matters to any of the other AMPTP members, so he really just has to go along with whatever the rest of them say.
I've always thought that out of all the companies, the one that's probably the most desperate for this to end is WBD because they're in a singularly screwed position compared to all the other companies, mostly because:
1. They're the newest company of them all. (Remember, WBD as an entity has only existed for about a year)
2. They've been bleeding money all year.
3. They've been desperately trying to repair their reputation amongst creatives after Jason Kilar's disaster and the cuts from last year. This was supposed to be their year to do so.
The one option they might have is begging to the AMPTP to let them try to strike a deal with SAG/WGA to get an agreement for at least one of their divisions like New Line or DC Studios.
And again, I hate always looking like I'm defending Zaslav, but the truth of the matter is that aside from his "our desire to get back to work will end the strike" (which was more like him putting his foot on his mouth) he's the only one I can think off of all the CEOs that at least gave the whole PR speech of "I hope the writers get a fair deal."
If they were in a position to weather the storm don't get me wrong, I absoltuely thing they'd be ruthless, but they aren't and I think they're really, really desperate with pretty much no real way out.That is a good point. Especially considering how mitigating their losses means making more unpopular decisions. WBD was already in no position to wait out bad press last year. And now they have less wiggle room now.
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8 minutes ago, Celedhring said:
So they are losing $500m because of the strikes, when the estimated impact for WBD of accepting all the WGA demands over the entirety of the contract (3 years) would be... $47m (according to the WGA).
EDIT: JWR was quicker than me.
Still, though. It really says a lot. This isn't about being logical. The AMPTP just don't want it to look like they lost or were wrong because it'll open the floodgates.
WGA/SAGAFTRA Strike Discussion Thread | SAG Ratifies Contract
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Oh, for sure. As soon as these strikes are over, it's back to business and people will move on.